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    My father wants me to sit down and talk to a Priest LOLOLOLOL

    Had a 2 hour discussion about my future children not being raised with a religion. I am opting to teach morals and values based on the golden rule, which can be applied to all religions in the future if my children decide to go that route when they are older and informed. Long story short he is mad lololol.

    He started second guess how we were raised, with not enough religion, should have forced us every sunday from when we were small and prayed more. I told him it sounded like he wanted to brainwash me.

    Even when I went I always felt bored and like we didnt belong. Interactions felt fake, too many masks, people too friendly and Im sure entirely different behind closed doors in their homes with no guests around.

    Towards the end he told me he wants me to talk to a priest. I told him Id entertain the though, but wouldnt give a yes or no in that instant. Not sure how I feel about talking to someone who wants to convert me and has a runaround playbook for almost every course our dialog will take.
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    Who cares, raise your kids how you want, not how anybody else wants. That's between you and your wife, and I think going by the golden rule is a perfectly fine way to go about it!
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    Originally Posted by Aesthetical View Post
    Even when I went I always felt bored and like we didnt belong. Interactions felt fake, too many masks, people too friendly and Im sure entirely different behind closed doors in their homes with no guests around..
    Oh my goodness, those bastards, are you ok?

    But seriously, if it makes your pops happy, then why not humor him.
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    Originally Posted by RIKTER View Post
    Oh my goodness, those bastards, are you ok?

    But seriously, if it makes your pops happy, then why not humor him.
    Because he didnt have a care for religion while we grew up, and due to some events that have happened within the last 5 years he's converted. I dont buy into it and I feel like it will be a waste of time. Two people having an exchange about something we both fundamentally see different.
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    Originally Posted by Aesthetical View Post
    Had a 2 hour discussion about my future children not being raised with a religion. I am opting to teach morals and values based on the golden rule, which can be applied to all religions in the future if my children decide to go that route when they are older and informed. Long story short he is mad lololol.

    He started second guess how we were raised, with not enough religion, should have forced us every sunday from when we were small and prayed more. I told him it sounded like he wanted to brainwash me.

    Even when I went I always felt bored and like we didnt belong. Interactions felt fake, too many masks, people too friendly and Im sure entirely different behind closed doors in their homes with no guests around.

    Towards the end he told me he wants me to talk to a priest. I told him Id entertain the though, but wouldnt give a yes or no in that instant. Not sure how I feel about talking to someone who wants to convert me and has a runaround playbook for almost every course our dialog will take.
    You'd better man up and get that under control now, or you're going to have a serious problem on your hands if you have children.
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    My family stopped taking me to church when we moved to a different state. I was about 10 at the time. My grandmother was a preacher of 2 churches too. My mom was raised up to be real churchy but my mom admits there are a lot of fake ppl in churches. We still believe in god and pray occasionally. Really u dont need to go to a church to worship God. Also, u dont need to follow your whole life around a religion, do what u think is good and live life positively.
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    Not religious in the slightest, but I see the value in bringing up kids with religion. Helps to guide them on the path of moral/ethical behavior rather than simply teaching them something abstract such as the golden rule. It gives morality a more concrete definition that they can strive for and provides it through stories which helps drive home the narrative. Children aren't going to have the same cognitive ability as an adult to ascertain right from wrong, moral from immoral. To introduce them to morality through a collection of stories they can look back to as guidance is probably more valuable than you think OP.
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    Originally Posted by tnel00 View Post
    Not religious in the slightest, but I see the value in bringing up kids with religion. Helps to guide them on the path of moral/ethical behavior rather than simply teaching them something abstract such as the golden rule. It gives morality a more concrete definition that they can strive for and provides it through stories which helps drive home the narrative. Children aren't going to have the same cognitive ability as an adult to ascertain right from wrong, moral from immoral. To introduce them to morality through a collection of stories they can look back to as guidance is probably more valuable than you think OP.
    Or I can just tell them they will go to jail for doing bad things & rot in a concrete cell for their whole lives.
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    Just red pill yourself on the unfriendly nature of reality for a long enough period of time to realize that it's all real, and that all roads keep leading you back to the same place. Then teach them yourself.

    If by priest you mean Roman Catholic, then you'd be better off staying away from that.
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    Originally Posted by celltechbrahz View Post
    Just red pill yourself on the unfriendly nature of reality for a long enough period of time to realize that it's all real, and that all roads keep leading you back to the same place. Then teach them yourself.

    If by priest you mean Roman Catholic, then you'd be better off staying away from that.
    We went to a RC church when we were young, went through all the way to confirmation and they told us it would now be our choice to continue coming back.

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    Or I can just tell them they will go to jail for doing bad things & rot in a concrete cell for their whole lives.
    Because presenting moral philosophy in statutory terms and perspective works so well...
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    Originally Posted by tnel00 View Post
    Because presenting moral philosophy in statutory terms and perspective works so well...
    Why not?
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    Tell him you will compromise, you will raise with religion but you will consult with an Imam instead of a priest.
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    Reads like your father cares about you and his grandchildren. What a bastard.
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    Tell him to respect your choices, or else you will raise them in the church of scientology out of spite.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Why not?
    Ask all the repeat offenders you have to lock up every other week
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    I would have your kids identify as "non-denominational christian" that never go to church...

    Even as an atheist I use that card most the time because it goes over well and prevents stupid arguments with people I don't really like in the first place.

    That being said... Being in a church group provides MANY benefits. The Mormon church for example has amazing connections that make it a great community to be a part of... Charity, work connections.... When chit hits the fan having a strong social circle is extremely beneficial.
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    I don't see a problem with exposing them to religion. If they like it great, if not no big deal, just don't force it on them.

    And this is coming from a non-religious apatheist.
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    While you're talking to the preist, will you ask him to settle it once and for all: does God exist?
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    I know a lot of parents who take their kids to church young just so they are exposed to it, and then at 12 or 13 let them decide if they want to keep going. What if your kid decides he doesn't want to be an atheist? And wants to go to church? You already think you are going to have much more control over your kids than you will LOL you'll find out!

    Look at you and your dad. Sounds like he raised you to be a God fearing man and you turned out a filthy atheist lol. Your kids will be his revenge.
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    Originally Posted by metco View Post
    I know a lot of parents who take their kids to church young just so they are exposed to it, and the at 12 or 13 or so let them decide if they want to keep going. What if your kid decides he doesn't want to be an atheist? And wants to go to church? You already think you are going to have much more control over your kids than you will LOL you'll find out!

    Look at you and your dad. Sounds like he raised you to be a God fearing man and you turned out a filthy atheist lol. Your kids will be his revenge.
    If they are old enough to understand religion and want to go I'll be happy to drop them off every Sunday while I drink a beer and tend to my lawn.
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    You will see soon enough that there is no middle ground any more.

    Children who are not grounded in a faith will be much more likely to be swayed by every modern trend that swings their way. Consider that even if you don't fully buy into a faith, and you may have some reservations about going all in, it is still a much more positive thing to bring up your children to understand that life is not simply about pleasuring yourself to the maximum extent possible. It is about more than happiness.

    In CS Lewis' novel Till We Have Faces, the character Orual at one point comes to a realization, and we are exposed to her thoughts.

    I perceived now that there is a love deeper than theirs who seek only the happiness of their beloved. Would a father see his daughter happy as a whore? Would a woman see her lover happy as a coward?
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    Originally Posted by Aesthetical View Post
    If they are old enough to understand religion and want to go I'll be happy to drop them off every Sunday while I drink a beer and tend to my lawn.
    Heh, this reminds me of when Homer did the same thing when God told him it was OK.

    Originally Posted by ZenBowman View Post
    Children who are not grounded in a faith will be much more likely to be swayed by every modern trend that swings their way.
    Good, then. They'll be better adapted to reality. Maybe have a chance at surviving once the robots take our jobs and then our lives.

    Unlike the dinosaurs who'll be turn into fertilizer for AM's tomato garden hobby.
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    Church pretty much has been taken over by losers and women. its who they cater to now.

    Think about back in the day guys like rockefeller and carnegie took time out of their sundays to go to church. These were the most powerful men in the world yet they felt compelled to go to church because it provided them with something that they could nto get anywhere else. Makes one wonder what that was.

    Go to church nowadays and they only talk about jesus and the cross, like that was the only part of the bible that counts for anything. no teachings or parables and god help you if you want to hear about how a real god runs the show in the old testament.

    Church clearly has changed since back in the day when men actually wanted to go, real men, not pansies.

    I would love to be able to find a mans church where they talk about cool stuff like smiting people and war and such but i dont think they exist. Maybe non christian churches but dont know.
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    Originally Posted by ZenBowman View Post

    Children who are not grounded in a faith will be much more likely to be swayed by every modern trend that swings their way.
    What a bunch of horsesht. Bring your children up to be normal, secure functional people they won't. You don't need the crutch of mythology for that.
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    Originally Posted by Weightaholic View Post
    What a bunch of horsesht. Bring your children up to be normal, secure functional people they won't. You don't need the crutch of mythology for that.
    You realize "normal" is Christian. At least in the US.

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    Originally Posted by tnel00 View Post
    Ask all the repeat offenders you have to lock up every other week
    And you believe religion would change all of that?
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    And you believe religion would change all of that?
    For some, yes.
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    Originally Posted by Aesthetical View Post
    If they are old enough to understand religion and want to go I'll be happy to drop them off every Sunday while I drink a beer and tend to my lawn.
    Nothing wrong with that.
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    Originally Posted by tnel00 View Post
    For some, yes.
    Of course it needs to be the "right religion."
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