Thanks to Chris, I was able to get a set of his springs too. Makes a huge difference to the strength curve. My biggest issue is figuring out how to best/most cost effectively move it to FL from Va when i move next year. Was just in the garage looking at it thinking I never want to have to put it back together again :-) But I cant imagine moving without it. I will def take my H-squat and Avenger Leg press...everything else I have I can replace pretty easily once I get there....hopefully w some panatta and the new german gear discussed above.
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04-30-2019, 02:47 PM #631
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05-01-2019, 11:56 PM #632
I think all of their videos are here: https://www.youtube.com/user/intelligentstrength/videos
They are scattered a bit though.
In their NoBull**** line I see:
- shoulder press
- incline press
- decline press
- leg press
In their gym tours they show other machines (cable pulls, flys, biceps/triceps curls etc.) that appear to be made in similar fashion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovHUOooGM0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfsh09AQopE
They go on a bit and it's difficult to follow.
They have some classic Nautilus machines, their racks are from EliteFTS, lots of HammerStrength and it's wall-to-wall Eleiko gear. I'm digging trough their channel and I'll post if I see something interesting.
That gym is probably the most impressive (to my taste) I've ever seen.
It actually made me feel a bit depressed.Last edited by Oxidated; 05-02-2019 at 12:26 AM.
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05-02-2019, 07:23 PM #633
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05-03-2019, 11:43 AM #634
In their gym tours they show other machines (cable pulls, flys, biceps/triceps curls etc.) that appear to be made in similar fashion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovHUOooGM0Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfsh09AQopE
They go on a bit and it's difficult to follow.
The grizzly Adams facial hair thing is weird to me. Do women actually find that **** attractive?
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05-05-2019, 07:11 AM #635
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05-08-2019, 08:09 AM #636
Chris I think I remember you saying you disliked the Hammer strength MTS line in Part 1 but wanted to confirm as my home gym is space limited and I really wanted the HS iso front lat pulldown but the plate loaded is too long for the space I have while the MTS version has a better footprint. Would i be sacrificing much going with the MTS version vs the plate loaded?
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05-13-2019, 06:43 AM #637
Everything is about a single machine, not a line (such as MTS). Just because one machine may be good in an MTS line has absolutely nothing to do with another machine in an MTS Line. We are always searching for the one hit wonder, the best of the best. You would have to ask about a specific machine in the MTS Line. The only MTS Line I currently own is the MTS Ab crunch. While a lot of Hammer Strength is 'GOOD" there is usually one or more machines in the cost no object list that are better.
So while you talk about the HS Front ISO Pulldown, either plate loaded or MTS, I wouldn't want it. I found the Panatta Lat Pulldowns to be better. I also like the Plate Loaded Flex Leverage pulldown. The other pulldown that I felt was great was the Nautilus Series 3 pulldown (Which I refurbished in the past thread).
What I'm trying to say is that I lost interest in comparing each of the MTS Line pieces of Hammer Strength which each of the Plate loaded Hammer Strength, because I found better machines.{}---{} Best of the Best Machines and Free Weights Crew #1 {}---{}
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05-13-2019, 04:40 PM #638
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05-14-2019, 05:09 AM #639
Greetings everyone! I have been following this thread for years and have always enjoyed Chris’s expertise and insights as well as everyone else’s to find “the Best of the Best” strength equipment . I have a strength training studio in Lexington, KY with 40 machines. I would like to offer for sale a machine I purchased directly from Chris a few years back, the Panatta Inclined Flight Machine. It is in mint condition. If interested, I will send pics. Bob
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05-15-2019, 04:07 AM #640
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05-16-2019, 07:27 PM #641
Finally got all my stuff moved in and setup. Moving equipment is the worst.
Atlantis Pivot Press - Plate Loaded - C-201
Atlantis Hack Squat/ Calf Raise - Plate Loaded - C-423
Atlantis Seated Converging Chest - Selectorized - P-140
Atlantis Seated Incline Converging Chest - Selectorized - P-143
Atlantis Seated Old School Converging Chest – Model Number Unknown
Atlantis Seated Overhead Tricep - Selectorized - T-162
Atlantis Seated Converging Shoulders - Plate Loaded - E-449
Atlantis Lat Pulldown - Selectorized - D-123
Atlantis Pec Dec - Selectorized - P-242
Atlantis Seated Row - Selectorized - Heavy Stack Upgrade - D-237
Atlantis Deltoid Raise - Selectorized - E-157
Atlantis Deadlift/Shrug - Plate Loaded - D-235
Atlantis Power Squat – Plate Loaded – C-111
Atlantis T-Bar Row - Plate Loaded - D-126
Atlantis Supported T-Bar Row – Plate Loaded – D-125
Atlantis Seated Calf Machine – M-119
Atlantis Curved Bench - Old School - Not sure the model number?
Atlantis Decline Bench - B-179
Atlantis 90 Degree Bench w/ Foot Plate - B-178
Atlantis Incline Hyper @ 45 degrees - D-128
Atlantis Dipping Station - P-145
Hammer Strength Seated Shrug
Hammer Strength Iso Low Row
Hammer Strength Iso Leg Press
Hammer Strength Pullover
Hammer Strength Seated Dip w/ Seatbelt - Plate Loaded
Legend Fitness 3-way utility bench - #3103
Legend Fitness Adjustable Cable Column with Heavy Stack - #952
Life Fitness Synergy 360T with Heavy Stack, Dip Station, Jump Platform, 2 Pull Up Stations, Landmine, speed ropes & TRX Station.
Rouge Abram GHD 2.0
Rouge Reverse Hyper
Rouge Echo Bike
Star Trac Kneeling Leg Curl - Selectorized
Star Trac Prone Leg Curl – Selectorized
Strive Plate Loaded Bicep Curl
Quantum Smith Machine
Thanks to everyone for putting this thread together!Last edited by solarfuel; 05-16-2019 at 08:20 PM.
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05-16-2019, 07:54 PM #642
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05-16-2019, 08:23 PM #643
Thank you!
Your are right, i added them to the list. Also have a quantum smith machine i forgot about. Now i just need another 1500 pounds of plates or so. Will probably upgrade the overhead tricep machine, lateral raise, iso leg press and maybe the pec dec. Out of everything, those seem to the the only pieces i am not 100% in love with. Not surprising they arnt on the list. Should have listened to the pros
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05-17-2019, 05:09 AM #644
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05-17-2019, 06:19 AM #645
Just under 1500 sq ft
The pivot press is awesome. The strength curve is perfect, has no dead spots, and keeps constant tension on the quads throughout the entire movement. I dont think i will ever be able to max out that machine, can probably hold 14 plates per side. My only real complaints are the massive footprint it takes up, the head rest needs to be adjustable up and down (not just in and out), and I wish it had an adjustable range limiter/safety stops. i can see myself pushing the limits and getting into a precarious position on the last set.
The hack squat is nice, but not as awesome as the pivot press. If i could only have one it would be the pivot press press all day, every day. The hack squat is super smooth, is a nice dual unit (calves or quads/hammys.) I like the seat vs the standard shoulder hack options as it removes the spinal compression. I wish the footplate was a little wider (3-4" extra on each side.) Might do a footplate mod in the future. It does have an adjustable range limiter/safety stop mechanism which is nice if you go to heavy on that last set.
Out of the 4 chest pieces i would rank them:
P-140 > P-143 = Old School Plate Loaded Press > P-242. I bought the pec dec for a great price ($300) but honestly regret it as i am not a huge pec fly guy. It gives a nice pump but i could do without it. The P-140 and P-143 are very smooth, awesome strength curves, zero dead spots that i can feel, and i absolutely LOVE the pre-stretch footplates. Any selectorized chest pieces without the pre-stretch footplates took a huge hit in my book after using them. Overall they are very nice machines, and some of the best chest pieces i have ever used. They fit me perfectly (6'1/210), however I could see them being on the larger size for some people.Last edited by solarfuel; 05-17-2019 at 06:53 AM. Reason: grammer
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05-17-2019, 05:54 PM #646
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05-17-2019, 06:34 PM #647
Thank you, I appreciate it. It was a lot of hunting on Craigslist and kijiji. Traveled to Virginia, Pennsylvania, Indiana, New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Illinois, Toronto and Montreal. Crossed the Canadian border 3 separate times. I live in Annapolis Maryland. I guesstimate around 5300 miles traveled.
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05-17-2019, 07:10 PM #648
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05-18-2019, 03:34 AM #649
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05-18-2019, 05:11 AM #650
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05-18-2019, 04:36 PM #651
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Hello Everyone:
I've been a lurker here and in the original thread for about a year, using a lot of your suggestions as I put together my home gym. My "toys" include some original Nautilus machines (Super Pullover, Behind Neck Torso, Torso Rowing, Multi Triceps, and Multi Exercise), a few old Hammer pieces including the hard-to-find Rear Delt, and some Flex Fitness Pieces ( Lying and Kneeling Leg Curl, Leverage Incline Press). I have about 850 square feet to work with, and a limited budget, so I can't build a gym anywhere near as impressive as what some of you have, but I'm determined to make it the best gym I can.
I thought it might interest you to know that Randy Coyle is driving down Monday (I live in Louisville, KY) to bring me a new Swing Squat, his T-Bar Row, and a new triceps bar he's been working on. I plan to record an interview with him -- about his decades developing exercise equipment, his experiences in the bodybuilding business, why his Swing Squat is superior to the "rip off" pendulum squat machines made by Paramount, Atlantis, Watson, and now Arsenal --- plus whatever other topics may arise. Anything you guys want me to cover with Randy?
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05-18-2019, 05:53 PM #652
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05-24-2019, 03:27 AM #653
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06-08-2019, 08:24 PM #654
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06-25-2019, 09:59 PM #655
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06-26-2019, 01:38 PM #656
Thanks Buddy. Appreciate the feedback
Since that update i have added a nebula half rack with platform, a natilus womens gen 1 pullover (Which is freaking AWESOME - fits my 6'1/210 frame PERFECTLY,) a pit shark, and just cut a deal for a Medx Avenger leg press, seated low row, converging chest press, 10 degree fly, and seated dip. Supposed to be delivered on Sunday.Last edited by solarfuel; 06-26-2019 at 07:55 PM.
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06-27-2019, 09:15 AM #657
Acquiring some great pieces! Love to see fine gym equipment being appreciated. I would be curious to hear your review of the medx 10 degree fly and seated dip. Not sure how much different they are than similar selectorized pieces? I have never tried the converging chest though it has a sizeable footprint. How do you like your pitshark so far? Have you found much use of the taller version compared to shorter version?
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06-27-2019, 09:53 AM #658
Once i get them in and setup i will defiantly share my findings, might be a few weeks though. Need to clear out a lot of old stuff to make room for the new stuff. Chris didn't really like the avenger dip, i remember him saying in the original thread that it was like a giant seesaw. David Feather loves it though, and usually those guys are on the same page. I read online that they only made like a dozen units or less. I am super excited to try it out, but hesitant as every time I buy something that Chris doesn't recommend i end up regretting it. For the price i paid though i should be able to get my money back if it doesn't work out.
The tall pit shark is nice. I was able to pick up a used unit for $1500. The extra set of pull up/dip bars and having the option to do weighted work is nice but I probably wouldn't have paid the $1200 premium that Rogers/Rouge wants.
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07-01-2019, 08:20 AM #659
My medx avenger stuff got here on Sunday. My guy who picked up for me said the folks at the school had no idea what they were selling, kept referencing the machines as Hammer Strength. Apparently everything has been in storage at the school for the last decade or so, since they opened their new field house and replaced everything with Matrix junk what a joke.
Ended up also getting a overhead press and the pulldown, so pretty much the entire Avenger line minus the pullover, neck, and lateral raise. They didn't list them in the lot, but included them for free in the sale. Had to leave behind a pair of powerlift GHDs, and an old school powerlift rack but ill take the other two machines in lieu
Now comes the hard part, deciding what to keep, what to save and then moving this dam equipment. No idea what i am going to move out other than the Hammer Pullover (Replaced with a Nautilus Gen 1 Womens Pullover) Seated Dip, and Iso Leg Press. Maybe the Atlantis Power Squat? Maybe the Star Trac prone leg curl, as i really prefer the kneeling option over the prone.
Here is what i am trying to fit in:
Medx Avenger Leg Press
Medx Avenger Row
Medx Avenger Chest/Incline Press
Medx Avenger Pulldown
Medx Avenger Seated Dip
Medx Avenger Overhead Press
Probably going to be forced to sell the Medx 10 Degree Fly, Leg Extension, and Prone Curl along with the hammer stuff.Last edited by solarfuel; 07-01-2019 at 08:33 AM. Reason: grammar
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07-01-2019, 12:21 PM #660
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