If you have the cash to spare you could upgrade some stuff now like you're saying, and then just sell it back later in the year if you want the shiniest newest parts. Used gaming PC components typically have a pretty decent resale value, and I think that's going to be especially true now since like we were saying, it's a seller's market right now.
What motherboard do you have? Most concerns for compatibility are between the CPU socket on the motherboard, and the RAM that's supported. Generally speaking you can always swap graphics cards without compatibility issues - You can use a PCIE4 graphics card in a PCIE3 slot with no issues. Can't think of any gaming motherboard made in the last 10 years that doesn't have either a PCIE3 or 4 slot.
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06-26-2020, 08:38 AM #5102
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Motherboard is an MSI Z97 MPOWER w/ DDR3 2133. Current processor is an i7-4790k and running 2 x GIGABYTE 970s for the graphics cards
I don’t need the shiniest parts per se, just whatever will add max value and make big differences in performance. Gunning for something that will be able to knock the newest games (Cyberpunk 2077 especially) out of the park @ 4k and maybe VR gaming
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06-26-2020, 11:21 AM #5103
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I don't see a huge reason to not do your CPU upgrade now provided you can find the parts. You have two good options for "gaming".
3300X with a Tomahawk B450Max/B550/X570 with 3600 C16 ram. You can do an easy CPU swap to the 4000 series in a couple years for cheap if you want more juice.
If your budget is higher
10600K with an OC is the legit perfect gaming CPU right now.
I would hold off on the GPU the new cards are looking to be a substantial upgrade over current generation.Finance Degree - USAF INTEL - IIFYM - Injured Crew - KTM XCW300 - Single Track Trail Rider - NRA Supporter - Shunned from MFC - Libertarian - Pragmatist
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06-26-2020, 11:40 AM #5104
Gamers are usually price-sensitive, and there's usually a point of "good enough" where you can be happy without 15K 200 FPS ultra-settings graphics. But computing is moving more and more towards the parallelism provided by graphics cards, and so graphics cards are also being used professionally. When time is money, those guys will pay you any amount you want for the fastest cards possible.
My brother's doing a machine-learning doctorate, for example, and his lab has a server of four 1080s. Every minute those cards are processing is a minute he's not being productive; and he'd give his left nut for more cards/faster cards. A professor in his department has a personal rig with four 2080 Tis, and it's not a flex by him, it's a business expense. When you've got a $100,000 research grant from Big Tech, buying an $8000 rig to speed up all the processing only makes sense.FA Crew
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06-26-2020, 12:09 PM #5106
Yeah, you can get some super nasty server-sized cards for machine learning. I'm guessing the 1080 server was built before those were a thing.
The technology scales though, is the biggest thing. The datacenter cards have the exact same CUDA cores as the gaming cards, they just have more of them and more RAM. If you make the CUDAs faster for the datacenter stuff, you might as well put those faster cores on your gaming cards too.FA Crew
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06-26-2020, 12:34 PM #5107
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Big Navi is looking to be 2 5700xt fused together with IPC improvements. This will substantially outperform a 2080ti, but probably with more power draw.
I also suspect Nvidia doesn't want to sit on its laurels. AMD of today is not the AMD of yesteryear. Nvidia are charging a price premium because "they are the best" if they have to start pricing based on cost per frame they will lose a lot of margins.
There are few types of Professional card's but they are usually overpriced declocked versions of the gamer version.
The Quadro I had to buy 6 months ago was basically a detuned 2070 at the price of a 2080ti...Finance Degree - USAF INTEL - IIFYM - Injured Crew - KTM XCW300 - Single Track Trail Rider - NRA Supporter - Shunned from MFC - Libertarian - Pragmatist
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06-26-2020, 01:57 PM #5109
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Yep... when the 5700xt released people were saying how it looked like they could just make the card "bigger" and theoretically scale up the performance.
Now the specs of big navi are looking like two 5700xts glued together. With Moderate IPC improvements they should be able to challenge the 3080 ti....
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06-26-2020, 06:54 PM #5110
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I'd be impressed if they finally come out with something and it will be good for Nvidia to have actual competition on the high end. It seems like a lot of the time they have something in the works there's a "leak" how it's X% better than the top Nvidia cards though. Maybe 2020 is the year AMD rules all. If so I'll try one of their cards out when I upgrade my 7700k with zen 3 and sell my 2080ti.
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06-27-2020, 07:55 AM #5111
The bottom line for me is I still won't go AMD on a GPU...fanboys can say what they want, but AMD STILL has total dog**** drivers. I still see people allll the time with driver issues on 5700XT, etc, which should have been sorted out a long ass time ago.
I'll just keep paying more for team green. The software end is as solid as the hardware end every time.
Honestly, I think big navi cards will only be competition for high end 2000 and low end 3000 at best. I don't think there's any way that in one generation they're suddenly going to go from their most powerful card being a 2070 Super equivalent (and only on some titles) to suddenly they're competing with the rumors of the 3080Ti levels of performance. So, again, I firmly believe we will see nvidia still on top and still charging whatever they want for their high end GPU SKU's.
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06-27-2020, 09:29 AM #5113
is it time for an upgrade:
CPU: Intel Core i5-6400T (2.2GHz, four threads)
GPU: Nvidia GTX 960 4GB
RAM: 8GB DDR4 (SODIMM format)
Storage: 500GB 7200rpm Hard Drive
WiFi: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3165 1x1 + Bluetooth 4.0
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...lpha-r2-review
How would I even go about building a relatively cheap gaming pc? Been a console guy. Do I actually install the ram etc? This gaming alienware I got works fine for WoW and League, but even stutters a bit during valorant.
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06-27-2020, 09:36 AM #5114
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06-27-2020, 10:02 AM #5115
^^^ Power can buy speed.
Yeah, it's looking like time to move on up. If you want to prolong the life of that system, I'd buy an SSD and like a 1650/1660 graphics card ($250-$300 or so for both). But if you want to make a step-up kind of improvement, it's probably going to cost $800-$1000 for a new rig. PC Part Picker has a pretty solid recommended rig here for $750.
https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/psQzK...d-gaming-build
Building's pretty fawking easy, as long as all your parts are compatible, you just snap them into place on the mobo like Legos.Last edited by FAPhaggot; 06-27-2020 at 04:24 PM.
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06-27-2020, 10:10 AM #5116
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06-29-2020, 09:46 AM #5118
I'm not sure where all of these essays on AMD's potential to be competitive in the GPU market are coming from.
The Radeon VII and 5700XT are somewhere around a 1080Ti.
The Radeon VII was released a full two years after the 1080Ti.
For the next gen AMD cards to be competitive they'll need to be competitive against the 3XXX series, period. Just in the same way as their CPUs are competitive against Intel's CPUs now.
And I see no reason to think that AMD can leapfrog the 2XXX series completely and jump into the ring with the 3XXX series.
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06-29-2020, 09:58 AM #5119
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I am not an expert in GPUs so I don't know, but the experts were saying when the 5700xt came out that they didn't see a reason they couldn't just make it BIGGER. Low and behold the specs of the BIG NAVI are double the 5700xt in terms of CUDA cores and some other things. I am imagining AMD doing it that way is not the same thing as dual GPUs.
My best guess is they will hit "performance" and a heavy heat and wattage penalty. Guess we will see.
From what I read AMD can brute force it by making the card bigger. Throw in some IPC gains and they will be competitive in terms of Cost per Frame and overall performance. HEAT is what I am worried about.
Keep in mind until last year the 1080TI was still the second best consumer card and the 1070, and 1080's are still competitive. The biggest benefit for the 2XXX series was RTX and Streaming which have limited use case for most of us.
I would just sit and wait because I suspect we are about to see some real generational improvements from both Red and Green.Last edited by Austanian; 06-29-2020 at 10:07 AM.
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06-30-2020, 09:04 AM #5120
That wasn't my point though.
The 2080Ti is faster than the 1080Ti though many didn't believe that the price hike made it a worthy upgrade.
The 1080Ti was released in March of 2017.
The Radeon VII (roughly a 1080Ti) was released in February of 2019 - pretty much two years later.
Now, one year after the release of the Radeon VII, stories abound online (normally from shills) about how there is a miracle architecture that AMD has which will let it compete with the 3080Ti which should be significantly faster than the 2080Ti which was somewhat faster than the 1080Ti - the last card AMD could compete with, 2 years later.
If AMD can simply leapfrog the 2XXX generation and jump from 1080Ti performance to 3080Ti performance - good for them. I hope they shake up the GPU space like they have the CPU space. I'm just not optimistic there - Nvidia and Intel are very different companies and anyone thinking Nvidia is lethargic in its pursuit of the single GPU king space is naive.
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07-03-2020, 02:45 AM #5121
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07-03-2020, 11:29 PM #5125
I kinda botched my measurements the first time around. was missing a whole 12" of depth, had the doorway even with the closet when there was really a 22" offset... etc.
so this is V2
I have all the 27" monitors and 34" already... looking to purchase a Herman Miller Aeron, and now wanting to wall mount a 50"+ TV. LC9s look good, but I need to do more research
also Ikea isn't shipping stuff until mid August.. and no stores within 4 hours of me. big RIP. ended up buying some cheap Amazon desks.
I'm going back through this thread now and reading about all of the new upcoming tech. I've been out of the loop for what seems like forever
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07-04-2020, 12:06 AM #5126
Damn bro, that looks super cramped though. Are you sharing a house or do you just have the room?
Might as well stick the tv in the living room and then maybe a laptop on the desk in your room and move the desktop to the living room as well.
But I kinda guess where you're comin from too I guess, I live in an apartment alone and I have my main rig/ps4/desktop in my room as well. If I do buy an OLED, I'll stick it to the living room because the unit's tv is fkkn tiny and chit compared to my monitor, so thats why I just keep em in my room, even though its cramped because of it.Sig line can't be a novel
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07-04-2020, 12:27 AM #5127
I traded my massive $1600/mo solo apartment for a 3400 sq ft house for $400/mo in the country with a garage and a yard lol (but with roommates)
For some reason I never had a TV in my apartment. Back in college my 40" Wasabi Mango 4k monitor was awesome for watching Netflix and playing MMO games like WoW. all the tech is so cheap and so much better now, I'm itching to get into OLED for the 'Flix, and maybe gaming if it ends up decently equipped to do so.
I know that if I stick a TV in the living room, I'll never use it though.Last edited by PositiveCrew; 07-04-2020 at 12:33 AM.
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07-04-2020, 05:56 AM #5128
Can someone let me know what are the key things I need to look for in a gaming monitor?
I have no idea what's going on when people throw around descriptions like 1080, 4K, response time etc etc.
I thought higher refresh rates would be a good thing but then I see monitors with higher refresh rates but the 144 refresh rate monitors are more expensive than the higher ones? Confused.
I would be 90% playing FPS games and the odd game like The Witcher.
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07-04-2020, 07:44 AM #5129
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07-04-2020, 08:42 AM #5130
I'm on a Mac and it just goes up to the 60 frames on that website.
Clear difference between the 60 and lower though.
I haven't got a PC as yet.
I'll likely pick up a 2080ti when the new gen comes out when they hopefully dip a little in price/Black Friday sales
I'd probably look at the 3700x from AMD as my CPU.
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