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    Originally Posted by Gainzzz View Post
    LITERALLY anyone who disagrees with them on immigration, abortion, the economy, black issues and the list goes on.
    So conservatives... the left is intolerant vs conservatives...

    Meanwhile conservatives are intolerant vs immigrants, women, the poor, blacks and as you say, the list goes on. Idiot
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    Originally Posted by Gainzzz View Post
    Because you're saying 'the intolerant right' as if that's even a thing.
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    Originally Posted by blckndyllw View Post
    So conservatives... the left is intolerant vs conservatives...

    Meanwhile conservatives are intolerant vs immigrants, womens rights, the poor, blacks and as you say, the list goes on. Idiot
    Basing your opinions and policies on facts, statistics and logic is not intolerant.

    It isn't 1960. Give me examples of how conservatives are 'intolerant' of all the things you listed. Actually don't bother, you probably think not wanting 300,000 babies to be murdered each year is intolerant lawl
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    Originally Posted by Slurgie View Post
    Why is this girl famous? Has she done anything important or is she just another Kim Kardashian/Paris Hilton?
    She yells at a camera in Republican
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    dumb not sure what and who suspended her, but if its about being pro-choice than its dumb. her view who cares, don't have to agree on all stances.
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    Originally Posted by rocketfish View Post
    dumb not sure what and who suspended her, but if its about being pro-choice than its dumb. her view who cares, don't have to agree on all stances.
    The intolerant right strikes again
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    Ive never had a problem with abortion, and have never liked Glen Beck, but of course the Right is not intolerant. Thats just something silly adults say.
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    Originally Posted by blckndyllw View Post
    The intolerant right strikes again
    Say it a few more times. Maybe it'll come true!

    Glenn Beck =/= conservatives.
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    Originally Posted by fitnessislife View Post
    Say it a few more times. Maybe it'll come true!

    Glenn Beck =/= conservatives.
    ill say it every time I see the intolerant right being intolerant, like now
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    Originally Posted by CalmWind View Post
    All women have the choice. They have the choice to not get pregnant, to use birth control, to be abstinent, to pick a better mate.

    They have a ****ing ton of choices.

    But once a woman becomes pregnant, "her body" is now shared by a baby. Two people now, so a woman cannot be selfish.
    Let me guess, you're against birth control and the morning after pill as well....
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    Originally Posted by CalmWind View Post
    no, We DO have the right to tell women they can't get abortions, because of the 2nd human being, the baby.

    Women have no right to murder their baby. Just because it's sharing a womans body for 9 months doesnt give them right to murder it.
    True or not, you're living in a fantasy land if you think that it will ever go beyond the states being able to decide for themselves. And that's like BEST case scenario for pro lifers.
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    How did Will Cain from Glenn Beck TV end up arguing with Stephen A Smith?

    Is this Nate Silver's doing. They just get b-grade Nate Silver nerds into sports as well?

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    Originally Posted by CalmWind View Post
    All women have the choice. They have the choice to not get pregnant, to use birth control, to be abstinent, to pick a better mate.

    They have a ****ing ton of choices.


    But once a woman becomes pregnant, "her body" is now shared by a baby. Two people now, so a woman cannot be selfish.
    *Sigh*
    I wish it were that simple.

    The problem with a subject like abortion is that, it has the potential to be extremely complicated depending on the circumstances of the situation. You spout factors like irresponsibility and 'personal choice' as a deterrent to aborting a fetus. Fair enough. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work so stringently like that and the sooner some of you realise that, the sooner it will be possible for good or better law reform. Likening abortion to murder (as an absolute) is similar to stipulating that, 'kill' and 'murder' are the same thing (spoiler alert: they aren't). Hell, the very charge of murder itself has certain safeguards in place influenced by important factors like intent, self-defence and provocation.

    What do you have to say about the following?
    - Unwanted pregnancy as a result of sexual assault;
    - Proposed abortion due to significant risk of the death of the mother (see the Savita Halappanavar/Ireland case);
    - Wrongful birth cases (e.g. Cattanach v Melchior [2003]; where it was not a case of irresponsibility on the part of the couple who got pregnant but in fact, on the doctor who oversaw fertility treatments);

    The point I'm trying to make is that, it's hopeless to postulate one, single and absolute law for abortion based on arguments that are not encompassing of many different situations. And as such, the law needs to reflect all of these possibilities whilst getting away from that stark (and inaccurate) black/white determination it currently adheres to. Just sayin'...
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    You can be conservative and be pro-choice, pro-euthanasia, an atheist, etc.
    As far as I've known, you can't. Being conservative has a very specific set of values and guidelines attached to it. It puts you in a little box where you are able to think for yourself, within those borders. I identified myself as a conservative for an extremely short period of time because I thought it just meant you leaned to the right. That's not quite true. I think a majority of Americans are Libertarian (fall somewhere on the spectrum in that zone) if you went issue for issue and they spoke honestly. But conservative and liberal are the two most popular terms, so they get thrown around the most.
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    Originally Posted by rammer19 View Post
    Ive never had a problem with abortion, and have never liked Glen Beck, but of course the Right is not intolerant. Thats just something silly adults say.
    For the most part I agree with you. But when it comes to the abortion issue, the right can be pretty intolerant.
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    Originally Posted by blckndyllw View Post
    So conservatives... the left is intolerant vs conservatives...

    Meanwhile conservatives are intolerant vs immigrants, women, the poor, blacks and as you say, the list goes on. Idiot
    ILLEGAL immigrants. Show some level of intellectual honesty please. Conflating legal vs illegal immigration is one of the dumbest things people on the left do. C'mon, you are smarter than that. And LOL at blacks. The basis of right leaning thinking is everyone is equal and should pull their own weight. Its the left that desperately dicing everyone up into little groups and making everyone feel different because they need to label everyone.
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    Originally Posted by Sebstan01 View Post
    *Sigh*
    I wish it were that simple.

    The problem with a subject like abortion is that, it has the potential to be extremely complicated depending on the circumstances of the situation. You spout factors like irresponsibility and 'personal choice' as a deterrent to aborting a fetus. Fair enough. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work so stringently like that and the sooner some of you realise that, the sooner it will be possible for good or better law reform. Likening abortion to murder (as an absolute) is similar to stipulating that, 'kill' and 'murder' are the same thing (spoiler alert: they aren't). Hell, the very charge of murder itself has certain safeguards in place influenced by important factors like intent, self-defence and provocation.

    What do you have to say about the following?
    - Unwanted pregnancy as a result of sexual assault;
    - Proposed abortion due to significant risk of the death of the mother (see the Savita Halappanavar/Ireland case);
    - Wrongful birth cases (e.g. Cattanach v Melchior [2003]; where it was not a case of irresponsibility on the part of the couple who got pregnant but in fact, on the doctor who oversaw fertility treatments);

    The point I'm trying to make is that, it's hopeless to postulate one, single and absolute law for abortion based on arguments that are not encompassing of many different situations. And as such, the law needs to reflect all of these possibilities whilst getting away from that stark (and inaccurate) black/white determination it currently adheres to. Just sayin'...
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    Was typing up a response in your CP but hit send way too soon. Will respond once i have more time
    Interesting (saw your comment, btw). Was reading up a bit on 'personhood'...I actually still stand by the arguments that I've made in my previous post but I'm welcome to debate as always.
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    Originally Posted by Sebstan01 View Post
    *Sigh*
    I wish it were that simple.

    The problem with a subject like abortion is that, it has the potential to be extremely complicated depending on the circumstances of the situation. You spout factors like irresponsibility and 'personal choice' as a deterrent to aborting a fetus. Fair enough. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work so stringently like that and the sooner some of you realise that, the sooner it will be possible for good or better law reform. Likening abortion to murder (as an absolute) is similar to stipulating that, 'kill' and 'murder' are the same thing (spoiler alert: they aren't). Hell, the very charge of murder itself has certain safeguards in place influenced by important factors like intent, self-defence and provocation.

    What do you have to say about the following?
    - Unwanted pregnancy as a result of sexual assault;
    - Proposed abortion due to significant risk of the death of the mother (see the Savita Halappanavar/Ireland case);
    - Wrongful birth cases (e.g. Cattanach v Melchior [2003]; where it was not a case of irresponsibility on the part of the couple who got pregnant but in fact, on the doctor who oversaw fertility treatments);

    The point I'm trying to make is that, it's hopeless to postulate one, single and absolute law for abortion based on arguments that are not encompassing of many different situations. And as such, the law needs to reflect all of these possibilities whilst getting away from that stark (and inaccurate) black/white determination it currently adheres to. Just sayin'...
    there's about 1.3 million abortions every year

    the cases you describe are very rare and in the small minority. we could make exceptions for those, maybe.

    but the other 1+ million abortions are normal people who simply dont want to raise a baby.
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    Originally Posted by CalmWind View Post
    there's about 1.3 million abortions every year

    the cases you describe are very rare and in the small minority. we could make exceptions for those, maybe.

    but the other 1+ million abortions are normal people who simply dont want to raise a baby.
    1. Can you please back your statements with sources?
    2. Can we all agree that pro-abortionists (for the most part) don't even want to give regard to those exceptions?
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    She's a Republican, being a massive hypocrite is a given
    True , but Democrats are just as hypocritical .
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    Originally Posted by Sebstan01 View Post
    *Sigh*
    I wish it were that simple.

    The problem with a subject like abortion is that, it has the potential to be extremely complicated depending on the circumstances of the situation. You spout factors like irresponsibility and 'personal choice' as a deterrent to aborting a fetus. Fair enough. Unfortunately, the real world doesn't work so stringently like that and the sooner some of you realise that, the sooner it will be possible for good or better law reform. Likening abortion to murder (as an absolute) is similar to stipulating that, 'kill' and 'murder' are the same thing (spoiler alert: they aren't). Hell, the very charge of murder itself has certain safeguards in place influenced by important factors like intent, self-defence and provocation.

    What do you have to say about the following?
    - Unwanted pregnancy as a result of sexual assault;
    - Proposed abortion due to significant risk of the death of the mother (see the Savita Halappanavar/Ireland case);
    - Wrongful birth cases (e.g. Cattanach v Melchior [2003]; where it was not a case of irresponsibility on the part of the couple who got pregnant but in fact, on the doctor who oversaw fertility treatments);

    The point I'm trying to make is that, it's hopeless to postulate one, single and absolute law for abortion based on arguments that are not encompassing of many different situations. And as such, the law needs to reflect all of these possibilities whilst getting away from that stark (and inaccurate) black/white determination it currently adheres to. Just sayin'...
    If a female is raped she has the option of going to the hospital and getting the morning after pill, and in the case of the mothers safety that is in my opinion the only exception in my opinion, which is extremely rare and happens in about 1% of pregnancies.
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    ILLEGAL immigrants. Show some level of intellectual honesty please. Conflating legal vs illegal immigration is one of the dumbest things people on the left do. C'mon, you are smarter than that. And LOL at blacks. The basis of right leaning thinking is everyone is equal and should pull their own weight. Its the left that desperately dicing everyone up into little groups and making everyone feel different because they need to label everyone.
    No xenophobia exists, and there are definitely people on the right who don't want legal immigrants in their countries if they come from certain places, or look a certain way. Get real
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    Originally Posted by wesleysh21 View Post
    ILLEGAL immigrants. Show some level of intellectual honesty please. Conflating legal vs illegal immigration is one of the dumbest things people on the left do. C'mon, you are smarter than that. And LOL at blacks. The basis of right leaning thinking is everyone is equal and should pull their own weight. Its the left that desperately dicing everyone up into little groups and making everyone feel different because they need to label everyone.
    To be fair as good as it sounds for everyone to pull their own weight, you have to acknowledge that there is an actual percentage of the population unable to do so and will need lifelong assistance. That doesnt excuse these lazy fukers from milking the system, that is the fat that needs to be trimmed, but a little help and assistance can go along way from lifting people up out of poverty even to the lowest middle class where they can actually fend for themselves.

    I am example of it, parents were poor as fuk, mother worked in fast food and father hopped around AV install jobs. I got assistance going to community college, I set myself up for uni which we had to pay a good portion for after grants, almost done paying it all back and havent touched any assistance since. If I simply had to pull my own weight I would probably still be taking college courses part time while working full time plus OT to make a living for myself. The taxes I pay back over my lifetime will far exceed what little money it took for the state to pay for my CC and whatever little grants I got for uni.
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