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    Strong Pre Workout

    I am in search of a high energy, high focus pre workout. As of right now I am using pre jym (which of course has 0 stims other than caffeine). I wake up at 5 in the morning and need something to really get me going in the morning to start my workout at 5:30. I've heard some positive things about mesormorph. I need some more options. Also, I still want to get a good pump from my preworkout. So really, an all around preworkout with a focus on the energy is what I am in search of.

    I have a very high stim tolerance, I used to use the original craze, jack3d, and c4. I also sometimes I stack 25mg ephedrine to my pre jym to get an extra kick. I also consume large amounts of caffeine throughout the day, as I'm in grad school.
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    I have used every Pre workout out there for like the last 20 years. Ultimate Orange was a good one ha ha but now after a lot of the good ones have come and gone I most definitely rate the Vapor X5 that works well with me.
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    Peptest Bulk is one of the strongest you can purchase on BB.com at 455mg of caffeine per serving.


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    Mesomorph or SP250 get my vote, but if you're having to add 25mg of ephedrine to 300mg of caffeine just to get through your workout then there's probably something else going on that needs to be addressed, either you need a break from stimulants or need to sleep better.
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    Originally Posted by openingkool View Post
    I am in search of a high energy, high focus pre workout. As of right now I am using pre jym (which of course has 0 stims other than caffeine). I wake up at 5 in the morning and need something to really get me going in the morning to start my workout at 5:30. I've heard some positive things about mesormorph. I need some more options. Also, I still want to get a good pump from my preworkout. So really, an all around preworkout with a focus on the energy is what I am in search of.

    I have a very high stim tolerance, I used to use the original craze, jack3d, and c4. I also sometimes I stack 25mg ephedrine to my pre jym to get an extra kick. I also consume large amounts of caffeine throughout the day, as I'm in grad school.
    When was the last time you cycled off stims for at least a week. Taking more and more stimulants isn't a good or long term solution.
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    Originally Posted by openingkool View Post
    I am in search of a high energy, high focus pre workout. As of right now I am using pre jym (which of course has 0 stims other than caffeine). I wake up at 5 in the morning and need something to really get me going in the morning to start my workout at 5:30. I've heard some positive things about mesormorph. I need some more options. Also, I still want to get a good pump from my preworkout. So really, an all around preworkout with a focus on the energy is what I am in search of.

    I have a very high stim tolerance, I used to use the original craze, jack3d, and c4. I also sometimes I stack 25mg ephedrine to my pre jym to get an extra kick. I also consume large amounts of caffeine throughout the day, as I'm in grad school.
    If you're looking for strong Pre workouts, it doesn't get much more potent than APS Mesomorph... 300mg caffeine & 65mg DMAA.

    Other options would be Gaspar SuperPump 250, Sparta Kraken, or Game Day
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    Originally Posted by Misctake7 View Post
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    Originally Posted by AfroPope View Post
    Mesomorph or SP250 get my vote, but if you're having to add 25mg of ephedrine to 300mg of caffeine just to get through your workout then there's probably something else going on that needs to be addressed, either you need a break from stimulants or need to sleep better.
    Originally Posted by robert5891 View Post
    If you're looking for strong Pre workouts, it doesn't get much more potent than APS Mesomorph... 300mg caffeine & 65mg DMAA.

    Other options would be Gaspari SuperPump 250, Sparta Kraken, or Game Day
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    If you're thinking about something without DMAA, check out Scivation Quake 10.0 or C4 Ultimate. And although I don't condone adding a strong stimulant (ephedrine) to a PWO, PES Prolific at 2 scoops + E sounds like a powerful combo.
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    Personally, I prefer to lean to the DMAA ones when I really need a kick in the ass. Mesomorph tends to be my go-to for that, but I don't use DMAA daily. My favorite higher stim non-DMAA pres are:

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    I know Matt has already mentioned Peptest Bulk as one of the strongest non DMAA preworkouts on the market. It has 450mg of caffeine + 5-6 additional stimulants. Its an extremely intense pre workout, and I've never had to go over 3/4 scoop.

    GameDay is our 2nd pre workout, which has less caffeine (300mg), but the stimulant blend is amazing and brings ramping energy and focus, along with pumps.


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    tried most everything mentioned in this thread minus the MAN pre, and the ONLY product I've used in the last 3ish years that legitimately gave me a noticeably better effect was 1.5 scoops of 5% 5150

    caffeine in that would be a little over 400mg I believe, maybe closer to 450, but the non-stim ergogens are also dosed pretty well

    I've been around a little while and used a LOT of stims and that one wowed me recently, for what it's worth
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    Originally Posted by Farley1324 View Post
    When was the last time you cycled off stims for at least a week. Taking more and more stimulants isn't a good or long term solution.
    Well I usually go without most stims, except caffeine. I literally haven't been able to wake up without it. So I havent cycled off caffeine for maybe 6 months.
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    Originally Posted by openingkool View Post
    Well I usually go without most stims, except caffeine. I literally haven't been able to wake up without it. So I havent cycled off caffeine for maybe 6 months.
    You literally need to take a break from stims
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    Conqu3r Unleashed- which is being discontinued, so it's pretty cheap right now. OL is coming out with a new preworkout to replace it and I expect that will deliver as well.
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    Or just grab a pre that doesn't rely on the soft bigotry of high stimulation (lol) to provide its effects, and instead uses ingredients that actually increase performance.

    I an send you amples of Fierce Domination. 5gr l-citrulline. Yum.
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    Originally Posted by Misctake7 View Post
    Non-DMAA:
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    RCSS Yeah Buddy

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    Originally Posted by compan View Post
    Personally, I prefer to lean to the DMAA ones when I really need a kick in the ass. Mesomorph tends to be my go-to for that, but I don't use DMAA daily. My favorite higher stim non-DMAA pres are:

    iFN Max Out
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    Steel Edge
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    Originally Posted by openingkool View Post
    I am in search of a high energy, high focus pre workout. As of right now I am using pre jym (which of course has 0 stims other than caffeine). I wake up at 5 in the morning and need something to really get me going in the morning to start my workout at 5:30. I've heard some positive things about mesormorph. I need some more options. Also, I still want to get a good pump from my preworkout. So really, an all around preworkout with a focus on the energy is what I am in search of.

    I have a very high stim tolerance, I used to use the original craze, jack3d, and c4. I also sometimes I stack 25mg ephedrine to my pre jym to get an extra kick. I also consume large amounts of caffeine throughout the day, as I'm in grad school.
    I remember Jack3d that was some powerful stuff.

    Erm I use nOexplode it does the trick think most are the same obviously dependent on DMAA levels.

    Also grenades pretty good.
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    FinaFlex Stimul8 will do exactly what you want except give u a pump
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    Another vote for steel edge from Athletic edge. Used it for many months and still love it, the flavor is on point as well.

    I'd also have to strongly recommend Quake from Scivation. My workouts have been nothing short of amazing when taking it.
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    Or just grab a pre that doesn't rely on the soft bigotry of high stimulation (lol) to provide its effects, and instead uses ingredients that actually increase performance.

    I an send you amples of Fierce Domination. 5gr l-citrulline. Yum.
    On BOGO right now too, tempted to grab a couple tubs to try.
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    On BOGO right now too, tempted to grab a couple tubs to try.
    Yessir. Buy 2 ten serving sample tubs, and get 40 servings for under $30.

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    Originally Posted by openingkool View Post
    I am in search of a high energy, high focus pre workout. As of right now I am using pre jym (which of course has 0 stims other than caffeine). I wake up at 5 in the morning and need something to really get me going in the morning to start my workout at 5:30. I've heard some positive things about mesormorph. I need some more options. Also, I still want to get a good pump from my preworkout. So really, an all around preworkout with a focus on the energy is what I am in search of.

    I have a very high stim tolerance, I used to use the original craze, jack3d, and c4. I also sometimes I stack 25mg ephedrine to my pre jym to get an extra kick. I also consume large amounts of caffeine throughout the day, as I'm in grad school.
    I know how you feel I am addicted to 5 hour energies,google Raw Iron Performance and try their's. I also have a high tolerance to caffeine and stims but this **** keeps me going for hours even if I eat after I take it. I just got it and take a little bit over one scoop massive pumps as well.
    I am using Evolve Pre-Workout by Raw Iron Performance and it is the bomb.
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