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    Question Its been a while and need some advice on NEW/OLD supps

    hey guys, haven't been on in a while. Last time i was active and reading a lot of posts was a few years ago i wanna know if the supps i remember getting good reviews and were popular lasted , and are still in the staple category for many of you. i was always interested in ARA but never tried, either x factor or xfa, or x gels. i heard good things, but looked and haven't seen many posts that are recent. did the formula change, or did ppl move on to something better?ive dealt with formula changes, usually for the worse. I also remember reading about ecdysterones too, don't remember much about it though. the last supp like that i took was ABE, but it was reformulated and the reviews weren't nearly as good as the previous one, and i also took a reformulated LX, and that company doesn't even seem to exist. like i said its been a while. don't get me wrong, i have been sticking with my staples and have had nothing but success, and have changed a few supps here n there like going from creatine mono to cee to hcl. and added post carbs to the mix as well nothing extreme. what I'm trying to find out is what is the story with the supps i mentioned, and what has taken their place? i want to continue to lean bulk, and want to add something new to the mix.
    current supps are hemavol and creatine hcl pre, compete intra, protein blend and carbs post (dextrose), fish oil, cla, and multi.
    please inform me of what we be a good addition along the lines of lean bulking, or even cutting. looking to expand and try something new! guys i really appreciate you reading this long ass post, and would love any and all input! thanks so much! can't wait to hear back! THANK YOU!!!!!
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    For starters, you can ditch the CLA. It won't do anything for fat loss. I would replace the creatine hcl with creatine monohydrate. Creatine monohydrate is cheaper and no other form of creatine has been proven to be more effective. Also, the timing of your creatine, protein, and carbs (unless you workout more than once per day) isn't that important. Instead focus on your total daily nutrition.

    Hemavol, Compete, fish oil, and a multi are all great to use.

    X-Factor/ARA is still around and people still use it with success.
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    Thank you. Any thoughts on something to add to help with vascularity,strength, even recomp? Xf, or xfa, x gels? Something different, and what's a good stack for any of those?
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    would xfa be a better option than xf or x gels? for lean bulk or recomp, or is there something better right now that I'm not aware of. vascularity would be nice bonus! i have read its pretty tough on the joints and the doms are serious, but seem worth it. hoping to find a good stack or different option i can research. and then something to help with the doms! is ARA still getting love out here, or am i living in the past lol! thank you guys! any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
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    Anything guYs? Any supps u really like? Or xfa or xf the way to go? And what's good for the doms? Or even x gels? Thanks! Tourney time!!!
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    Originally Posted by cojack2525 View Post
    Anything guYs? Any supps u really like? Or xfa or xf the way to go? And what's good for the doms? Or even x gels? Thanks! Tourney time!!!
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    Thanks! Any other thoughts on something along the lines of ara, or is that worth trying as a stand alone product, with something for doms... trying to decide what ara would be best for me, and what others have had good experience with! Thanks
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    ARA is absolutely worth trying, it's usually recommended to use 1g pre workout but if I were you I would purchase enough so you could optionally bump that up to 1.5g which more people tend to find as their sweet spot.

    X-gels and X-factor are both good options, I have used and enjoyed both a few times now.

    Whoever told you that the reformulated ABE+ was a downgrade is crazy. The new formulation is a better natural anabolic, which was kind of the point of Anabeta from the very beginning

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    I would look into PA, over ARA. Used to use ara a lot but too many inflammation sides for me.
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    Sorry, like I mentioned, haven't been keep up on the supps recently, what is pa, and it's function? Helps for a recomp or lean bulk? Thanks man!
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    PA is definitely worth looking into. Probably the best *new* supplement I have used in the past two years or so (non-hormonal). Very good and definitely a good starting point when just getting back into the what's-new in today's supplements.






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    That's exactly what I'm looking to discover, I currently use my staples pre post intra etc, but wanted to add something new to help a lil,and xf and xfa seemed like the only things that seemed to do what I'm hoping for. But since I haven't been as active on here, I also wanted to know about what you guys like as far as newer supps. What is pa? Lol
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    Originally Posted by cojack2525 View Post
    That's exactly what I'm looking to discover, I currently use my staples pre post intra etc, but wanted to add something new to help a lil,and xf and xfa seemed like the only things that seemed to do what I'm hoping for. But since I haven't been as active on here, I also wanted to know about what you guys like as far as newer supps. What is pa? Lol
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    Originally Posted by danielmoo View Post
    Phosphatidic acid. You can find it in Fearns lecithin granules which is available in most grocery stores as well as some supplements that contain it, patented or not.
    I will go look for it today. Anything good to stack with it? You would recommend PA over xf or xfa? Or together. Thanks for the help and info! Both PA AND XF seem like they will help me out.
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    Originally Posted by cojack2525 View Post
    I will go look for it today. Anything good to stack with it? You would recommend PA over xf or xfa? Or together. Thanks for the help and info! Both PA AND XF seem like they will help me out.
    No problem. I would look at some logs of XF and XFA gels and see if that's up your alley, keep in mind Vinny's post about the inflammation from ArA.
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    Originally Posted by danielmoo View Post
    No problem. I would look at some logs of XF and XFA gels and see if that's up your alley, keep in mind Vinny's post about the inflammation from ArA.
    The inflammation is something that lasts during cycle or continues after? Sounds awful tbh. Seems like there are a few supps u can use to try and combat it , but if it's something that lingers I have zero interest lol! Thanks again!
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    Planning to make an order tonite for a few other things, do you guys think pa is the way to go to continue lean bulk, or xf or xfa? ( whichever is easier on the joints)Or is there a suggestion I haven't heard yet, like I said haven't been up to date on the newer and well liked supps that really work. Thanks everybody who helped me out here, much appreciated! And thanks to anyone who can let me know even more about this question!
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    I prefer XFA but haven't tried some of the simpler PA supplements, for what it's worth I've never had joint problems on XFA.
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    You think it's worth stacking the 2 , pa and xf or xfa, and anything that ppl have taken that will help with inflammation, or joint soreness? Or is there something recommended to stack with either of the supps that ppl had a good experience with? Thanks so much!
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