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    Originally Posted by romajc View Post
    Thinking of getting long TLT, GDX, SLV with some poor man covered calls. What are some other good recession proof equities?

    Want to protect myself from another bursting bubble. Feel like we are in a similar situation to 2008 except much more exacerbated.

    Inflation is kicking in. The debt has more than doubled. Interest rates are gonna go up.... don't see how we pay government bonds. Household debt at all time highs. Banks still giving out too much risky money. Student loans.

    Stay safe brahs.
    consumer staples, utilities and pipelines. they dip at bit but nothing too drastic. Why TLT?

    damn AAPL. might cover my short tomorrow.
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    doom and gloom huh fella? It certainly feels topish since expectations have been crazy high for every company. Once expectations simmer down I think we see solidly profitable companies making big ground over these start ups that are a money pit if they don't manage to be highly profitable soon. Amazon, for one, timed their profitability well. Tesla is a GD dumpster fire and people will panic soon enough. $100 puts will be valuable soon(6months - 1 year) methinks.
    I still keep on trading as usual with all other equities. More of a hedge. Don't really trust our economy as it stands. Until we cut some government spending I will be skeptical. What has changed since 2008? Besides more debt and more spending.


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    consumer staples, utilities and pipelines. they dip at bit but nothing too drastic. Why TLT?

    damn AAPL. might cover my short tomorrow.
    Figure people would move into bonds if moving out of the market. Also all 3 are at extremely low IV percentiles which is about the only time I'd ever initiate a PMCC.

    I don't buy options 99% of the time. Prefer to sell premium.
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    Originally Posted by romajc View Post
    I still keep on trading as usual with all other equities. More of a hedge. Don't really trust our economy as it stands. Until we cut some government spending I will be skeptical. What has changed since 2008? Besides more debt and more spending.




    Figure people would move into bonds if moving out of the market. Also all 3 are at extremely low IV percentiles which is about the only time I'd ever initiate a PMCC.

    I don't buy options 99% of the time. Prefer to sell premium.
    Jobs strong AF. Discretionary spending is huge ATM. That kind of momentum can drive an economy for now.
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    Originally Posted by dopamine72 View Post
    Here, AMZN and NFLX my main plays for past 3+ years been slowly building positions

    In a good amount on T also for that dividend, hoping it'll start doing better soon now that it has TWX

    ACBFF, CGC and APHQF still holding for over a year its been a roller coaster

    I do a little swing trading too but still have yet to dabble with options...soon.jpg
    right on man. it really helps as a long term investor to know that in the long run the ticker don't matter, but it sure is addicting to look at. I did an analysis on T for my buddy who is a financial analyst just to learn the ropes in the world of investing. I totally think it is an undervalued company and will do very well in the long run. I also did one on wells fargo and took a position in them a few months back.

    Apple and Facebook are my tech positions. Both will do very well in the long term, i am confident in that. This facebook dip doesn't scare me as a long termer. it provided me the opportunity to load up another 10k .

    compound interest FTW


    i gotta say though. the puts and calls options are definitely enticing and look exciting lol. i just have no idea how to do em and if i did it would probably consume me , because its basically gambling lol. 98% of day traders don't survive and i would be another one if i got into it lol.
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    I don't know much about FB, but apple is a solid long term investment.

    Options, to me, are fun to play around with and I've done surprisingly well the last couple weeks.

    I managed to exit my RAD options for $2 at 10 cents a contract so marginal gain, but at least I didn't lose anything and covered the small loss I took trying to trade FB. Waiting to see what Netflix does tomorrow I think tech rallies so I might try FB again. Trying to decide which side of the fence I want to play with tesla...

    with short term options there are really only 2 things that matter. 1- volatility for a big move and of course 2 picking the right direction
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    Options just give you leverage and many more ways to trade the market.

    You can make money in options whether the market moves up, down, or goes nowhere. You can play for volatility expansion or contraction. And you can mix and match all of the above.

    I prefer to stay neutral in direction and play for volatility contraction. But most here seem to do the opposite.
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    From a buying power reduction stand point I really see no reason to ever buy stock unless it is a really low priced stock. You can always use options to synthetically mimic stock for much much lower margin cost.
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    exited my TMV today at 20.50 for gains. that had some scary moments. I guess holding 3x for weeks on end is fine after all . Strong hands.

    Glad I fomo'd into TAP yesterday at 67 looks hnnnnnng so far.
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    Lol at watching the options on tesla. There must be a lot of interest in both the puts and the calls because tesla was up like a dollar or something but all the calls and puts were still positive and even the ones for friday cost like $1200 a contract close to otm. Tempted to write contracts both ways and hope the swing isn't too wild in either direction.
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    can someone show me a good website to learn options for dummies lol. i wanna check it out for funsies.
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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    Lol at watching the options on tesla. There must be a lot of interest in both the puts and the calls because tesla was up like a dollar or something but all the calls and puts were still positive and even the ones for friday cost like $1200 a contract close to otm. Tempted to write contracts both ways and hope the swing isn't too wild in either direction.
    That's what I did. The ROC was so high I couldn't pass it up. I try to avoid writing naked options on earnings plays but these were just too rich to pass up. Hopefully doesn't bite me

    Sold the Sep 21st 340C/265P. It was around $2300 credit for only around $3200 of my margin. $45 of Theta decay per day.
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    can someone show me a good website to learn options for dummies lol. i wanna check it out for funsies.
    https://www.tastytrade.com/tt/learn
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    Originally Posted by romajc View Post
    That's what I did. The ROC was so high I couldn't pass it up. I try to avoid writing naked options on earnings plays but these were just too rich to pass up. Hopefully doesn't bite me

    Sold the Sep 21st 340C/265P. It was around $2300 credit for only around $3200 of my margin. $45 of Theta decay per day.

    Ayyyy lmao dat dere short squeeze was strong today
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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    Ayyyy lmao dat dere short squeeze was strong today
    Yup. ****ty trade so far. I've still got around 25 days and $2600 of extrinsic to go through so we shall see.
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    Yup. ****ty trade so far. I've still got around 25 days and $2600 of extrinsic to go through so we shall see.
    When writing contracts do you ever get stuck holding something longer than you expect or exited out of your position earlier than anticipated due to people closing their positions?
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    TSLA bears were going full retard yesterday, had a feeling this was gonna squeeze big

    those calls hit 16.00 at some point, i sold them 50% off at open.

    fukkk left like 7k on the trade



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    Originally Posted by RobParks2M View Post
    When writing contracts do you ever get stuck holding something longer than you expect or exited out of your position earlier than anticipated due to people closing their positions?
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    I never hold anywhere near expiration so very very rarely have to worry about assignment unless there is a dividend. Even if there is a dividend you only need to worry if the extrinsic value is lower than the dividend which is rare. But if it is you just buy back your option or roll it out.
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    Originally Posted by Slamt View Post
    TSLA bears were going full retard yesterday, had a feeling this was gonna squeeze big

    those calls hit 16.00 at some point, i sold them 50% off at open.

    fukkk left like 7k on the trade



    edit: 10k and counting
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    EDIT: You cheeky kent did you follow up what I said and buy those calls? Fauking mirin' regardless, but looked at the timestamp from my post and your buy time lmao
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    Sold out of a lot of my spy calls for good gains yesterday. Currently holding spy and aapl puts from earlier this week and short euro
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    Dam you did well nicely done!

    EDIT: You cheeky kent did you follow up what I said and buy those calls? Fauking mirin' regardless, but looked at the timestamp from my post and your buy time lmao
    all of tech was on a discount that day, wanted to get in tesla earnings anyway so just went with it too.

    also bought some baba calls that day when i was looking at FB at the same time

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    all of tech was on a discount that day, wanted to get in tesla earnings anyway so just went with it too.

    also bought some baba calls that day when i was looking at FB at the same time

    FB woulda been a 400% play. BABA calls expiring worthless, fkin trump going in on china
    That's true. A friend of mine had apple calls. Needless to say he did well on those too. I'm thinking of going FB calls next week for a bounce.
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    When writing contracts do you ever get stuck holding something longer than you expect or exited out of your position earlier than anticipated due to people closing their positions?
    lol I did that with AAPL back in 2012.... had naked puts and ended up losing 1200% or $25,000.....
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    lol I did that with AAPL back in 2012.... had naked puts and ended up losing 1200% or $25,000.....

    yikes dude lmao that is what I was wondering about lol.

    Thinking of going for Friday short options for Tesla- I think we see the vice on shorts loosen a little bit. Forced covers drove prices higher than the earnings should have brought. Might take long Nflx incase of the rising tide wrecking tesla putz tech gonna tech imo
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    That's true. A friend of mine had apple calls. Needless to say he did well on those too. I'm thinking of going FB calls next week for a bounce.
    Hope you went through with this.

    Taking SNAP calls into earnings. Almost as hated as TSLA and with TWTR/FB taking a ****, people think SNAP is the worse of the 3 and expecting some gigantic failure. IV is high as fuk so I bought 12C's

    Originally Posted by Venom08 View Post
    lol I did that with AAPL back in 2012.... had naked puts and ended up losing 1200% or $25,000.....
    Yep. Saw GOOGL run up from 500's to 700's within a week. Options up 100x in 2015 or 2016.

    And FB earnings result should keep you away from ever selling anything naked.

    Yes, it will work most of the time, but it can get real fkin nasty.
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    Originally Posted by Slamt View Post
    Hope you went through with this.

    Taking SNAP calls into earnings. Almost as hated as TSLA and with TWTR/FB taking a ****, people think SNAP is the worse of the 3 and expecting some gigantic failure. IV is high as fuk so I bought 12C's



    Yep. Saw GOOGL run up from 500's to 700's within a week. Options up 100x in 2015 or 2016.

    And FB earnings result should keep you away from ever selling anything naked.

    Yes, it will work most of the time, but it can get real fkin nasty.
    I wish. Went nflx calls + tesla puts bailed on puts yesterday around $4.50. still running the nflx $350 calls In around $2.75
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    tfw ur tsla august 340 calls that u sold for 7500 are now worth 30k
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    Originally Posted by Slamt View Post
    tfw ur tsla august 340 calls that u sold for 7500 are now worth 30k

    ayyyy lmao. Musk at it again destroying short positions. I'm legitimately curious how high he can push it before it crumbles. I'm not certain anyone can take him seriously with the prospect of taking it private at a price of $420 per share. I think he's hyping his next venture which is 420 friendly.
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