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    I would have guessed about 19% now coming down from 25%+ in the "before" pic. But I would add that I would personally trust Adam more than me on this. It is generally a good thing to try to go by the higher BF% estimate as most people underestimate how much fat they carry, so you are probably going to drop more than you think to see your abs anyway.

    And why come asking for an estimate if you are just going to argue with it? A second opinion is very often helpful as we are often not good at judging our own body composition.

    Also I find it really unnecessary to comment negatively on the other guy's appearance like you are doing here.
    Yeah, im not sure why he's acting like I insulted him. I didn't say anything about his appearance being 'good' or 'bad'.

    It's a number, it's not an emotional thing. Why would I lie or be dishonest?

    I mean this isn't a doctor's office, why would I care if he wanted a 'second opinion'. LOL... this opinion is free... it means nothing to me at all.
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    I would have guessed about 19% now coming down from 25%+ in the "before" pic. But I would add that I would personally trust Adam more than me on this. It is generally a good thing to try to go by the higher BF% estimate as most people underestimate how much fat they carry, so you are probably going to drop more than you think to see your abs anyway.

    And why come asking for an estimate if you are just going to argue with it? A second opinion is useful as we are often not good at judging our own body composition.

    Also I find it really unnecessary to comment negatively on the other guy's appearance like you are doing here.
    I'm just going to drop it now and carry on. I mean no one any harm- I just got badly triggered. It's not the higher than we think principle, it's that last time I checked in I think I was assessed much lower than 20-22 and I carried more fat at that check in and being told I was much higher despite in my heart feeling I made so much progress, I did take personally, and I couldn't believe was genuine or accurate. Pick one. Anyways, water under the bridge. I'm human, like anyone else.
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    Originally Posted by cheshirefilms View Post
    I'm just going to drop it now and carry on. I mean no one any harm- I just got badly triggered. It's not the higher than we think principle, it's that last time I checked in I think I was assessed much lower than 20-22 and I carried more fat at that check in and being told I was much higher despite in my heart feeling I made so much progress, I did take personally, and I couldn't believe was genuine or accurate. Pick one. Anyways, water under the bridge. I'm human, like anyone else.
    I didn't say you didn't make progress. You're MUCH leaner now. I said you lost 10% BF... thats huge.

    But also that math doesn’t make sense at all, because if you used to be 20-22% and then lost 20 ponds, you’d be shredded to the bone... like stage-ready body builder.
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    I think there's some confusion on both sides, and its okay. I mean, for my part, I lost 20 pounds at 153 original weight. That would be 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds of muscle lost for a 10 percent cut.

    That's a really high ratio of muscle loss, considering how much protein I took in and six days a week of quality lifts. That's why I figured, and based off a check in a month ago or so, I figured I was closer to 18 percent. I really want to get to 15 by summers end at latest, but that's neither here nor there. I figure 8 more pounds of fat loss would do it. Muscle constant- 125 I think is my magic number.

    I carry most of my remaining fat in my arms and my abs/lower back. I am absolutely solid in the legs and upper back now. I've overcome so much in the past year. But this is a mountain top I want to reach. To ring that bell, even if I can't stay.
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    Originally Posted by cheshirefilms View Post
    I think there's some confusion on both sides, and its okay. I mean, for my part, I lost 20 pounds at 153 original weight. That would be 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds of muscle lost for a 10 percent cut.

    That's a really high ratio of muscle loss, considering how much protein I took in and six days a week of quality lifts. That's why I figured, and based off a check in a month ago or so, I figured I was closer to 18 percent. I really want to get to 15 by summers end at latest, but that's neither here nor there. I figure 8 more pounds of fat loss would do it. Muscle constant- 125 I think is my magic number.

    I carry most of my remaining fat in my arms and my abs/lower back. I am absolutely solid in the legs and upper back now. I've overcome so much in the past year. But this is a mountain top I want to reach. To ring that bell, even if I can't stay.
    it’s fat + muscle + water + glycogen + food volume that you lost... it’s fat mass + all non-fat mass which is more than just pure muscle tissue
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    A appreciate you chiming in, despite how I think, but- no offense- I think you got this one wrong.

    Badly.

    And I think you made your guess higher just to try and trigger me, after I asked for a second opinion.

    The 19-20 dude looks way fatter than me today, not athletic at all, plus he's much taller. Which creates an illusion of leanness relative to smaller folks, if you're not watching closely.

    I think you'd have to be borderline crazy to say he's in my bf class. I mean, it's not abs- obviously I'm not 15%, but you can even see my side rib cuts now.

    Crush the 19-20 dude into my 5 foot 5 frame and see if you don't call him 25 percent.
    "side rib cuts" can be a big genetic factor, too. If you look at the two photos I posted, you can see the visibility on them is almost the same despite being atleast a 5% bodyfat difference. Even when I was somewhere between 20-25 those serratus cuts you're referencing were still pretty prevalent.

    I don't think Adam is trying to trigger you. I've had some dudes here give me flak because they thought I was lying regarding a dieting question a while back and if anything Adam was one of the more patient fellas with an approachable outlook amidst those individuals.

    You have to realize too people hold weight differently. I'd offer some outlook but I don't see the photos anywhere.
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    Originally Posted by cheshirefilms View Post
    I think there's some confusion on both sides, and its okay. I mean, for my part, I lost 20 pounds at 153 original weight. That would be 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds of muscle lost for a 10 percent cut.

    That's a really high ratio of muscle loss, considering how much protein I took in and six days a week of quality lifts. That's why I figured, and based off a check in a month ago or so, I figured I was closer to 18 percent. I really want to get to 15 by summers end at latest, but that's neither here nor there. I figure 8 more pounds of fat loss would do it. Muscle constant- 125 I think is my magic number.

    I carry most of my remaining fat in my arms and my abs/lower back. I am absolutely solid in the legs and upper back now. I've overcome so much in the past year. But this is a mountain top I want to reach. To ring that bell, even if I can't stay.
    Didnt see the rest of the replies, mb. Just keep at it man. I empathize with you wholeheartedly. Most guys really struggle with those lower abs and back as a holding point for fat.. I know I sure do lol. Just stay consistent and keep grinding. You'll get those results.
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    Originally Posted by imirish34 View Post
    Didnt see the rest of the replies, mb. Just keep at it man. I empathize with you wholeheartedly. Most guys really struggle with those lower abs and back as a holding point for fat.. I know I sure do lol. Just stay consistent and keep grinding. You'll get those results.
    Here is the before (mid December) and current (end April) comparison.
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    Originally Posted by cheshirefilms View Post
    Here is the before (mid December) and current (end April) comparison.
    I transferred the weight to the phone.
    Keep in mind, and no offense, but you didn't have much muscle to work with when you first started your "cut". Hence the reason you'll just end up looking like a smaller version of yourself vs "ripped". And this is speaking from personal experience, I'm was in the same boat as you : /
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    Originally Posted by Mr13percent View Post
    Keep in mind, and no offense, but you didn't have much muscle to work with when you first started your "cut". Hence the reason you'll just end up looking like a smaller version of yourself vs "ripped". And this is speaking from personal experience, I'm was in the same boat as you : /
    No offense taken, and I'm sure you had a tough journey too, and I don't mean to come off defensive, but I *really* don't agree with your black and white assessment of me merely being a smaller version of my former self at goal because I didn't have muscle "to start with." It's the sort of sad thing I hear said to the bodybuilding.com anorexic kids we encourage to go buy protein powder and pick up a dumbbell. It just doesn't describe my journey, at all.

    Since I started my cut, Ive lifted 6 days a week. And I lifted before I got fatter too. But over a year ago I had suffered a terrible injury, gained fat and lost all my size. This was never gonna be a cut-only journey. My triceps are actually very decent size now underneath the fat. My legs arent chicken legs either. I definitely lift, proportionally, and six days a week. I can also bench more than my bodyweight now. I work hard, and I don't plan on letting down my guard.

    But compared to most here, yes, I get it. I'm not show quality muscular. I don't expect to look like Tom Holland's Spiderman, let alone Thor, at 15%, without perhaps a true measured bulk phase.

    But I had to cut from where I was. I was very uncomfortable. And I'm not 22 anymore. I'm doing the best I can.
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    Originally Posted by cheshirefilms View Post
    No offense taken, and I'm sure you had a tough journey too, but I don't agree with your black and white assessment of me merely being a smaller version of my former self at goal.

    Since I started my cut, Ive lifted 6 days a week. My triceps are actually very decent size now underneath the fat. My legs arent chicken legs either. I definitely lift, proportionally, and six days a week. I can also bench more than my bodyweight.

    But compared to most here, yes, I get it. I'm not show quality muscular. I don't expect to look like Tom Holland's Spiderman, let alone Thor, at 15%, without perhaps a true measured bulk phase.

    But I had to cut from where I was. I was very uncomfortable. I'm doing the best I can.
    You have definitely improved in terms of body composition, but you may not reach your end goal in a single cut. This is very common.

    Lifting as much as 6 times a week, particularly on a cut, seems like a lot of volume that I would only expect from a lifter who is already advanced. How did your lifts progress during the cut?

    You may want to consider doing a mass gain phase instead of continuing the cut, if you cut 10 lbs more you're approaching underweight and may still not have as much definition as you want.
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    You have definitely improved in terms of body composition, but you may not reach your end goal in a single cut. This is very common.

    Lifting as much as 6 times a week, particularly on a cut, seems like a lot of volume that I would only expect from a lifter who is already advanced. How did your lifts progress during the cut?

    My lifts have been good, but for the most part the focus has been on getting strength and not losing it, as opposed to maintaining reps. If that makes sense. I was in a cut phase, after all.

    You may want to consider doing a mass gain phase instead of continuing the cut, if you cut 10 lbs more you're approaching underweight and may still not have as much definition as you want.
    Fair option, but 111 lbs is the low threshold of normal for my height range according to BMI.
    I'm not even sniffing underweight right now.

    I plan to stop my cut at 125, 15-17 percent, prior to flipping the deck to a true gain phase. I may even go with a personal trainer for new ideas, target new muscle fibers to twitch.
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    Originally Posted by cheshirefilms View Post
    Fair option, but 111 lbs is the low threshold of normal for my height range according to BMI.
    I'm not even sniffing underweight right now.

    I plan to stop my cut at 125, 15-17 percent, prior to flipping the deck to a true gain phase. I may even go with a personal trainer for new ideas, target new muscle fibers to twitch.
    I don't think a trainer is needed at your stage, you just need basic linear progression and consistency.

    Save the money from the trainer for quality food etc... maybe some day when you're closer to your limit, a trainer would be a good idea.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I don't think a trainer is needed at your stage, you just need basic linear progression and consistency.

    Save the money from the trainer for quality food etc... maybe some day when you're closer to your limit, a trainer would be a good idea.
    Understand. I just am not ready to flip my mindset to a gain mindset just yet.

    And even that I know isn't about massive calorie jumps, but I probably from where I'm at would have to add 700+ cals. I already intake 130+ protein a day, so I guess it's gonna entail a decent mix of additional good fats and lean carbs.
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    Originally Posted by cheshirefilms View Post
    Fair option, but 111 lbs is the low threshold of normal for my height range according to BMI.
    I'm not even sniffing underweight right now.

    I plan to stop my cut at 125, 15-17 percent, prior to flipping the deck to a true gain phase. I may even go with a personal trainer for new ideas, target new muscle fibers to twitch.
    But you may not reach that point at that weight, it depends on several factors, e.g. how your lifts are progressing - that's why I asked about that. You seem to be cutting very fast, with a training volume that would fit an advanced lifter.

    If you are cutting fast and losing strength for instance, your body composition may not improve as much as you want.
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    But you may not reach that point at that weight, it depends on several factors, e.g. how your lifts are progressing - that's why I asked about that. You seem to be cutting very fast, with a training volume that would fit an advanced lifter.

    If you are cutting fast and losing strength for instance, your body composition may not improve as much as you want.
    I understand what you are getting to. No I'm definitely not losing strength. On the whole I've recovered my pre injury strength, and I'm maintaining it. Simply maintaining it. I'm not an advanced lifter, I just break up my lifts by groups so I get one or two days a week on each group and space it out, bis/tris, legs, chest/back, shoulders/core. This is simplistic breakdown, but just a heads up on what I target in general.

    Not gaining much in that department except for flys and reverse flys which for some odd reason I didn't spend time on in the past.

    And even there I'm holding steady once I worked up to it, around 75 lbs for reverse fly for back and 100 lbs for traditional for chest, 12 reps 4 sets each.
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    Originally Posted by cheshirefilms View Post
    Here is the before (mid December) and current (end April) comparison.
    I was in size 30, now size 28.
    I transferred the weight to the phone.
    First off, you can DEFINITELY see the change. You're killin' it, dude.

    So take this as a pro or con, but looking at your body composition.. you're probably the person I've seen that resembles the closest example of how I hold my weight as well. I actually made a post here in frustration because I froze in weightloss for awhile 3-4 months into my cut around 180 (at 6'4~) but it was obvious despite being light, I still had fat to lose. So from a personal perspective, I say keep at it. That weight I was holding eventually came off more in the mirror than it did on the scale but nonetheless it came off in increments over the next two months.

    The process is so frustrating sometimes. But your picture proves your making significant progress, especially if you're still maintaining strength (something that I wasn't) during this cut.
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    Originally Posted by imirish34 View Post
    First off, you can DEFINITELY see the change. You're killin' it, dude.

    So take this as a pro or con, but looking at your body composition.. you're probably the person I've seen that resembles the closest example of how I hold my weight as well. I actually made a post here in frustration because I froze in weightloss for awhile 3-4 months into my cut around 180 (at 6'4~) but it was obvious despite being light, I still had fat to lose. So from a personal perspective, I say keep at it. That weight I was holding eventually came off more in the mirror than it did on the scale but nonetheless it came off in increments over the next two months.

    The process is so frustrating sometimes. But your picture proves your making significant progress, especially if you're still maintaining strength (something that I wasn't) during this cut.
    Thanks, that means a lot. Some think I've cut rather quickly, but April actually has had very little progress, and by my own doing admittedly. I went to Florida and pretty much ate what I wanted for an entire week. I also did some heavy lifting then but, it was actually liberating to come back and take the added water/fat off in one week total. Now I'm definitely back on my game and lasered in. It's amazing how that happens, when you aren't even tempted by any cravings whatsoever. Of course, I just came off a couple weeks back pizza after pizza, Chinese dinners and kettle corn snacks in the park.
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    Sorry for the quality, I didn't realize how hard it is to get lighting & quality/focus to all come together.

    5'10 148lb, 28.75" waist, all flexed, no pump, end of a cut.  My guess 12.5-14.0. Please don't say 15 x.x

    Tell me if you need better pics, skin folds, or circumferences.


    My thoughts:
    * I am tempted to go another 3lbs, I think 28.0" would come in @10 days... but I think it is time to add @7 then cut 3-4. Started at 162, I assume 20-21%.

    * Tried to get tan for my monthly check in.. now I gotta wait another few days before taking better pictures :/

    * I'm disappointed in my midsection- I can see 3 rows of abs when I move my skin around. This picture is as good as it gets flexed stationary. I assume I shouldn't drop <28" waist at this lbm, and that it will look better next cycle.

    * Back makes me think skeletor depending on the position. The ribs really show when I move around flexed.

    * Striations [or whatever you call striations at this bf] are visible in shoulders & to a lesser extent in pecs. Forearms have definition on the backsides, triceps have recently become more defined, so has definition between bicep/tricep. Quads have looked better in the past [think being pink isn't helping any here] but if my eyes aren't lying I can just make out some rectus femoris[?] lines beginning to peek, calves recently leaned out 1.5mm.

    * Illiac crest measurements are my least consistent, I think because they vary so much with tiny distances between pinch spots.

    * Overall very happy with the cut. The numbers & tracking were fun. Got back to lifting <4 months. Muscle size has been steady or increased, along with lifts. Glad I cut asap. Plan to cycle between 28"-29.5" waist in the future, which I think is ~14.5%. Not thrilled with my current physique, but feel much more optimistic for the future when I have a pump & good lighting.

    If you have any advice for the future about strengths/weaknesses I'm all ears. Thanks for taking the time & sorry I didn't do a better job with pics- not much lmm to showcase right now anyway. GL with your lifts & diets
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    Originally Posted by etRCN View Post
    Sorry for the quality, I didn't realize how hard it is to get lighting & quality/focus to all come together.

    5'10 148lb, 28.75" waist, all flexed, no pump, end of a cut.  My guess 12.5-14.0. Please don't say 15 x.x

    Tell me if you need better pics, skin folds, or circumferences.


    My thoughts:
    * I am tempted to go another 3lbs, I think 28.0" would come in @10 days... but I think it is time to add @7 then cut 3-4. Started at 162, I assume 20-21%.

    * Tried to get tan for my monthly check in.. now I gotta wait another few days before taking better pictures :/

    * I'm disappointed in my midsection- I can see 3 rows of abs when I move my skin around. This picture is as good as it gets flexed stationary. I assume I shouldn't drop <28" waist at this lbm, and that it will look better next cycle.

    * Back makes me think skeletor depending on the position. The ribs really show when I move around flexed.

    * Striations [or whatever you call striations at this bf] are visible in shoulders & to a lesser extent in pecs. Forearms have definition on the backsides, triceps have recently become more defined, so has definition between bicep/tricep. Quads have looked better in the past [think being pink isn't helping any here] but if my eyes aren't lying I can just make out some rectus femoris[?] lines beginning to peek, calves recently leaned out 1.5mm.

    * Illiac crest measurements are my least consistent, I think because they vary so much with tiny distances between pinch spots.

    * Overall very happy with the cut. The numbers & tracking were fun. Got back to lifting <4 months. Muscle size has been steady or increased, along with lifts. Glad I cut asap. Plan to cycle between 28"-29.5" waist in the future, which I think is ~14.5%. Not thrilled with my current physique, but feel much more optimistic for the future when I have a pump & good lighting.

    If you have any advice for the future about strengths/weaknesses I'm all ears. Thanks for taking the time & sorry I didn't do a better job with pics- not much lmm to showcase right now anyway. GL with your lifts & diets
    Congrats on the cut. Not sure what your goals are, but if I were you I'd transition immediately to a gain phase. Maybe 10-15 pounds proportional. At the moment you have nearly no chest mass to speak of, but that's what the gain cycle is for right? Plus, the extra mass will give you extra calories for your budget. Not a bad deal all considered.
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    Originally Posted by etRCN View Post
    Sorry for the quality, I didn't realize how hard it is to get lighting & quality/focus to all come together.

    5'10 148lb, 28.75" waist, all flexed, no pump, end of a cut.  My guess 12.5-14.0. Please don't say 15 x.x

    Tell me if you need better pics, skin folds, or circumferences.


    My thoughts:
    * I am tempted to go another 3lbs, I think 28.0" would come in @10 days... but I think it is time to add @7 then cut 3-4. Started at 162, I assume 20-21%.

    * Tried to get tan for my monthly check in.. now I gotta wait another few days before taking better pictures :/

    * I'm disappointed in my midsection- I can see 3 rows of abs when I move my skin around. This picture is as good as it gets flexed stationary. I assume I shouldn't drop <28" waist at this lbm, and that it will look better next cycle.

    * Back makes me think skeletor depending on the position. The ribs really show when I move around flexed.

    * Striations [or whatever you call striations at this bf] are visible in shoulders & to a lesser extent in pecs. Forearms have definition on the backsides, triceps have recently become more defined, so has definition between bicep/tricep. Quads have looked better in the past [think being pink isn't helping any here] but if my eyes aren't lying I can just make out some rectus femoris[?] lines beginning to peek, calves recently leaned out 1.5mm.

    * Illiac crest measurements are my least consistent, I think because they vary so much with tiny distances between pinch spots.

    * Overall very happy with the cut. The numbers & tracking were fun. Got back to lifting <4 months. Muscle size has been steady or increased, along with lifts. Glad I cut asap. Plan to cycle between 28"-29.5" waist in the future, which I think is ~14.5%. Not thrilled with my current physique, but feel much more optimistic for the future when I have a pump & good lighting.

    If you have any advice for the future about strengths/weaknesses I'm all ears. Thanks for taking the time & sorry I didn't do a better job with pics- not much lmm to showcase right now anyway. GL with your lifts & diets
    I would guess you’re about 12%

    I think you should focus on building mass. You’re pretty light as it is...

    Looks like you have good insertions, just need overall size.

    Quads look good
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    Originally Posted by tonysawah View Post
    Stats: Height: 5'8.75". Age: 25yrs old. Weight: 167
    Stage photos are hard to judge...

    But, probably 9% or so... definitely no higher than 10
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I would guess you’re about 12%

    I think you should focus on building mass. You’re pretty light as it is...

    Looks like you have good insertions, just need overall size.

    Quads look good
    I could kiss you, the 9 weeks paid off. Goal is 12 months of consistent lifting while staying under @15%. I began to bulk early 2021 but realized I should have cut. Now my plan is to bulk at 3lb/month and mini cut at 1% bw when I reach @15%. I think 3-6lbs is a good cut length for me to stick to.

    I figure if I can build muscle at 1.5-2lbs/month, that should put me ~140-145lb lbm by the year's end, or 165-170 bw at high 14%. That's my high estimate, & I'd be very happy with something near that. That's the most muscle mass I will have ever had. Typically I'm @150-155 15-17%. In my notes I have written that I think 16-17% looked good too, but we'll see how more muscle mass looks. I'm already really happy with how I look in a small shirt, I can see my traps through it, and my arms are decent enough to mostly fill it out. I was always self conscious about my small waist, but after hanging out in bb forums I'm eager for 28-30" and getting a taper going. Can't wait to get more muscle all around. The process is fun in itself- I really enjoy the human biology aspect.

    I attached pictures from March & April if you've got time to check, I'm curious if @20% and 16% are close. It was real fun researching & plotting the progression of body fat. Initially I thought I was 16-17% at the beginning on 3/2, and that this was going to be a quick cut to 10% after doing some math lol. I think 19-21 was more accurate. Real glad I cut when I did!
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    Originally Posted by etRCN View Post
    I could kiss you, the 9 weeks paid off. Goal is 12 months of consistent lifting while staying under @15%. I began to bulk early 2021 but realized I should have cut. Now my plan is to bulk at 3lb/month and mini cut at 1% bw when I reach @15%. I think 3-6lbs is a good cut length for me to stick to.

    I figure if I can build muscle at 1.5-2lbs/month, that should put me ~140-145lb lbm by the year's end, or 165-170 bw at high 14%. That's my high estimate, & I'd be very happy with something near that. That's the most muscle mass I will have ever had. Typically I'm @150-155 15-17%. In my notes I have written that I think 16-17% looked good too, but we'll see how more muscle mass looks. I'm already really happy with how I look in a small shirt, I can see my traps through it, and my arms are decent enough to mostly fill it out. I was always self conscious about my small waist, but after hanging out in bb forums I'm eager for 28-30" and getting a taper going. Can't wait to get more muscle all around. The process is fun in itself- I really enjoy the human biology aspect.

    I attached pictures from March & April if you've got time to check, I'm curious if @20% and 16% are close. It was real fun researching & plotting the progression of body fat. Initially I thought I was 16-17% at the beginning on 3/2, and that this was going to be a quick cut to 10% after doing some math lol. I think 19-21 was more accurate. Real glad I cut when I did!
    I think your estimates were reasonable from the pictures.

    Keep in mind tho, you probably won't be gaining 1.5-2lb of actual muscle mass per month... I mean that's a TON of lean tissue in a year if you're already starting with some lifting history.

    But either way, I think you have a really good starting point.
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    5’9 at 193 lbs currently, down from 255 beginning of 2020. Currently aiming for 165 by September and then reassessing. Let me know what you guys think! Not going to bias this with my own estimation heh.
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    5’9 at 193 lbs currently, down from 255 beginning of 2020. Currently aiming for 165 by September and then reassessing. Let me know what you guys think! Not going to bias this with my own estimation heh.
    probably 27%+
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    probably 27%+
    Thanks! My own estimation was 28-29% and my trainer said 30 or a bit less than 30. So it’s good to hear.
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    Hi,

    I'd appreciate a BF estimate. I have been working out for a few years but only recently got my nutrition in order. I am always unsure as to whether I should eat at a surplus or a deficit. I have a lot of fat around my lower back and stomach.
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    Originally Posted by NiallGlennon View Post
    Hi,

    I'd appreciate a BF estimate. I have been working out for a few years but only recently got my nutrition in order. I am always unsure as to whether I should eat at a surplus or a deficit. I have a lot of fat around my lower back and stomach.
    In just to see how my guess compares to those with a more trained eye for it.

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