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    Has to be the dark/dim lighting... Do you have any other pics?
    I can take some more. Let me read up on proper picture taking and post better ones.
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    Originally Posted by Jonnydrama32 View Post
    So here's my predicament. I had a Dexa scan 12 weeks ago, and it said I was 29.4% bf, which is pretty darn close to you guess. I re-measured today, and it came back at 27.6%. I lost 11 pounds @ a 500/cal deficit per day. I find it hard to believe I only lost 1.8% from the before to the after. For that result to be correct, it means I lost 5 pounds of muscle, but I got stronger and I don't see much, if any, muscle loss. But Dexa scans are supposed to be accurate.

    Do you think there's any chance that I'm 27.6% bf in the after photo?
    No, I think it's highly unlikely that you are 27%BF... then again I'm just doing visual estimates by pics and I do get it wrong every now and then.

    Still no, I wouldn't trust a simple dexa for BF%... maybe if it's done together with other specified tests as in a multi-compartment model.
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    According to the testing place, it's accurate to .1 percent, but I couldn't find one place online to corroborate that. While it was the same company scanning, it was two different scanners used. First test was in an office. Second was in their mobile unit. First test they made me change into a gown. Second they let me keep all my clothes on, including my shorts.

    I have posted my Dexa scan in my profile. It doesn't indicate that there's a margin of error. But I still doubt 27%+.


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    How accurate is Dexa supposed to be? Will you post a picture of the reports? I do this type of stuff as a profession and often these reports will imply a margin of estimation error. If that margin is 0.5%, then you could have moved from 30.0% to 27.0% and still gotten the results above. If the margin of error is greater, even more so.
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    Originally Posted by Jonnydrama32 View Post
    According to the testing place, it's accurate to .1 percent, but I couldn't find one place online to corroborate that. While it was the same company scanning, it was two different scanners used. First test was in an office. Second was in their mobile unit. First test they made me change into a gown. Second they let me keep all my clothes on, including my shorts.

    I have posted my Dexa scan in my profile. It doesn't indicate that there's a margin of error. But I still doubt 27%+.
    With my little knowledge of science and expiremnting, the variables you mentioned above (different equipment, clothes on/off) are enough for me to throw the second reading out the window. I would ask for a refund or a RE-test on the original equipment they tested you from. Let’s say the first one was off by 5%, then the second one will be off by 5% also. (So you keep you bases and variables the same except one. In this case, the variable that changed should only be your body fat and everything else should be kept as constant as possible)

    I’ve recently learnt that most of the times you gotta put your foot down and ask for what you want and they’ll give it to you...I mean, don’t go crazy but insist that you want to get retested and that you should not have to pay because the results are obviously flawed. Print the pics or show them the pics to make your point.

    As far as I can see, what tucane is estimating in terms of before and after fat %ages make total sense and are probably closer to truth than the DEXA scans.

    You can look at my galley pics and compare tucane’s estimates and to your pics and his estimates for you. Then look for “body fat percentage pictures” google search results and make up your mind. Keep in mind amount of muscle can make a certain fat percentage (eg. 20%) look completely different and in different people.
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    Whats my body fat percentage?

    Bulk or keep cutting?
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    Originally Posted by TryingBB View Post
    With my little knowledge of science and expiremnting, the variables you mentioned above (different equipment, clothes on/off) are enough for me to throw the second reading out the window. I would ask for a refund or a RE-test on the original equipment they tested you from. Let’s say the first one was off by 5%, then the second one will be off by 5% also. (So you keep you bases and variables the same except one. In this case, the variable that changed should only be your body fat and everything else should be kept as constant as possible)

    I’ve recently learnt that most of the times you gotta put your foot down and ask for what you want and they’ll give it to you...I mean, don’t go crazy but insist that you want to get retested and that you should not have to pay because the results are obviously flawed. Print the pics or show them the pics to make your point.

    As far as I can see, what tucane is estimating in terms of before and after fat %ages make total sense and are probably closer to truth than the DEXA scans.

    You can look at my galley pics and compare tucane’s estimates and to your pics and his estimates for you. Then look for “body fat percentage pictures” google search results and make up your mind. Keep in mind amount of muscle can make a certain fat percentage (eg. 20%) look completely different and in different people.
    I agree with this and agree that the second test result doesn’t seem correct. The first test seems to jive with your pictures. Given the first was also in an office with a more official procedure, I would trust those results. The second test doesn’t seem to produce results that pass the sniff test given your comments about getting stronger and the procedure you described. I would also ask for a retest in the office; or at least go to the office from now on.

    I also didn’t see anything in the papers that talked about the accuracy of the results. The fact that this information is not in writing anywhere and only communicated verbally may be by design so that can’t be held accountable. However, if you do another office visit and those results make sense, you can probably just chalk it up to a faulty mobile machine.

    I’m not good at estimating bf%, but the estimates given by those in this trend seem to be pretty accurate more often than not (more so than a DEAX scan it would seem...)

    Just curious, how much did you pay for the mobile unit test? Was it the same as the office visit?
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    Hey everyone,

    I'm 5'6 162lb. My scale says I'm at 22%.
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    I'd say around 26%

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    I contacted the Dexa scan company and they went back and reviewed all the scans for the day. They came to the conclusion that everything was measured accurately.

    They also said that the margin of error is +/-1%. That's according to the manufacturer, which I believe is GE.

    So I guess I only lost 1.8% body fat after 12 weeks and 11 pounds lost, but that just seems nuts to me.


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    I agree with this and agree that the second test result doesn’t seem correct. The first test seems to jive with your pictures. Given the first was also in an office with a more official procedure, I would trust those results. The second test doesn’t seem to produce results that pass the sniff test given your comments about getting stronger and the procedure you described. I would also ask for a retest in the office; or at least go to the office from now on.

    I also didn’t see anything in the papers that talked about the accuracy of the results. The fact that this information is not in writing anywhere and only communicated verbally may be by design so that can’t be held accountable. However, if you do another office visit and those results make sense, you can probably just chalk it up to a faulty mobile machine.

    I’m not good at estimating bf%, but the estimates given by those in this trend seem to be pretty accurate more often than not (more so than a DEAX scan it would seem...)

    Just curious, how much did you pay for the mobile unit test? Was it the same as the office visit?
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    Originally Posted by CompleteJourney View Post
    Bulk or keep cutting?
    About 12%BF. Which usually means the end of a cut.

    I'd say transition to maintenance, stay there until lifting progress stalls, then a small surplus.
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    Originally Posted by Jonnydrama32 View Post
    I contacted the Dexa scan company and they went back and reviewed all the scans for the day. They came to the conclusion that everything was measured accurately.

    They also said that the margin of error is +/-1%. That's according to the manufacturer, which I believe is GE.

    So I guess I only lost 1.8% body fat after 12 weeks and 11 pounds lost, but that just seems nuts to me.
    DEXA scan has an error rating which is pretty big some studies have seen 8-10% variance but usually 3% is accepted as common error rating and I can ensure the company won't admit it.

    https://weightology.net/the-pitfalls...t-part-6-dexa/
    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...y-fat#section3

    All forms of testing have large error ratings except autopsy and you have to be dead for that one. I would just go by pics and measurements and forget the rest. It may not be the machine (however it still has errors for density measuring) but also the participants hydration level.
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    +/- 1%? Does that mean their assessment of 27.9% means the real answer is between 28.9% and 26.9%? That is a very large range if you are comparing results for progress. Don’t forget that the first test you took also has this range of error. So the total range of error is +/- 2% when calculating the difference.

    The article in the post above this says it all. It gives a larger range of error, which almost make the test useless for measuring short term progress.

    Originally Posted by Jonnydrama32 View Post
    I contacted the Dexa scan company and they went back and reviewed all the scans for the day. They came to the conclusion that everything was measured accurately.

    They also said that the margin of error is +/-1%. That's according to the manufacturer, which I believe is GE.

    So I guess I only lost 1.8% body fat after 12 weeks and 11 pounds lost, but that just seems nuts to me.
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    Hey!

    Pics on my profile.

    5’11 166 pounds.

    Trying to decide if I should cut or bulk, but want my body fat percentage first

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    Hi everyone,

    Would love an update on my bodyfat %. Pictures are in my bodyspace - black/side/front flexed/front

    Height: 5'9
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    Any advice on how much longer i should cut to get some defined abs?

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    Originally Posted by Vanman91 View Post
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    Can't see any fat^^ I'd think that's about 6%BF.
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    Hey!

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    5’11 166 pounds.

    Trying to decide if I should cut or bulk, but want my body fat percentage first

    Thanks!
    About 18%BF. That number matters less in your situation though... put all your effort into building mass, eat enough to be able to progress in the gym.
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    Originally Posted by Konfucius View Post
    Hi everyone,

    Would love an update on my bodyfat %. Pictures are in my bodyspace - black/side/front flexed/front

    Height: 5'9
    Weight: ~155lb

    Any advice on how much longer i should cut to get some defined abs?

    Thank you
    In between 14-15%BF.

    Hard to say with precision, but I'd guess about 2-3 months, depending on deficit size and hydration.
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    Weight: 63.2 kg/139.3 lbs

    Around a month ago, I was estimated to have a BF of around ~18%.
    Lost about 2-2.5 kg since then, so I wanna check the current BF %.

    Trying to decide when it's time to start bulking, as you can guess.

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    Originally Posted by Tucane View Post
    In between 14-15%BF.

    Hard to say with precision, but I'd guess about 2-3 months, depending on deficit size and hydration.
    I am currently aiming for about a ~700Kcal deficit daily.

    I am curious, if I am 2-3% out from 12% bodyfat and currently weigh 155, isnt that ~5Lb to cut. Ie another month of 700kcal deficit diet?

    Thanks again for the response! appreciate the help.
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    Hi guys,

    Wanted a quick estimate on my BF%.

    Been cutting for the past 5 weeks.

    Went down from 201 lbs to 191 lbs. Plan is to go down to at least around 175 and see how I look then.

    Attaching back and front one. Thanks in advance!
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    Originally Posted by astrocoyote View Post
    Age: 28
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    Weight: 63.2 kg/139.3 lbs

    Around a month ago, I was estimated to have a BF of around ~18%.
    Lost about 2-2.5 kg since then, so I wanna check the current BF %.

    Trying to decide when it's time to start bulking, as you can guess.

    Thanks!
    Quick progress there! About 13%BF.

    You can bulk as soon as you feel ready.
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    Originally Posted by Konfucius View Post
    I am currently aiming for about a ~700Kcal deficit daily.

    I am curious, if I am 2-3% out from 12% bodyfat and currently weigh 155, isnt that ~5Lb to cut. Ie another month of 700kcal deficit diet?

    Thanks again for the response! appreciate the help.
    This is the hard part and why estimating end points is a crapshoot, way too many factors to say for sure. Some people drop (visually) 1%/month some drop a lot more, it's highly individual. Even if two people have the same weight and deficit, one might have different hydration levels due to (insert reason) or store their water differently. Some people lift more and store more water in their muscle, some eat low carb... sodium cycles, creatine etc.

    I usually go by 4lbs = 1% as an average, but I am wrong in this more often than not.

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    Originally Posted by IvanNorge View Post
    Hi guys,

    Wanted a quick estimate on my BF%.

    Been cutting for the past 5 weeks.

    Went down from 201 lbs to 191 lbs. Plan is to go down to at least around 175 and see how I look then.

    Attaching back and front one. Thanks in advance!
    Around 18%BF.
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    Originally Posted by Tucane View Post
    Around 18%BF.
    Thanks man!

    Do you think that with another 15 lbs I will be able to reach 12-13 % or?
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    Originally Posted by Tucane View Post
    Quick progress there! About 13%BF.

    You can bulk as soon as you feel ready.
    Thanks man! I really tried to be serious about both the working out and the nutrition aspect this time.
    I'll also probably start a separate thread to discuss my bulking decision, soon.
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    183 CM, 72 KG, 22 years old

    Not flexed/flexed pics

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    Originally Posted by Mesut1 View Post
    183 CM, 72 KG, 22 years old

    Not flexed/flexed pics

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    I would say around 12 % . looking lean
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    30 years old, 6'1", gained 15 lbs over the past 5 months (165 lbs to 190 lbs), trying to figure out training and still fitting into my suits and shirts for work
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    5 weeks into cut I’m weighing 176.8 (that was my lowest weigh in so far). Couple of questions. My ultimate goal is 8-10% bodyfat. Any estimate on where I’d have to end up weight wise to be around there? Also loose skin possibly near the lower stomach? Would it look worse as I get leaner?

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