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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Fat is satiating. Stop being 'worried'
    Exactly... MT you are worrying because you have not tried to change or stuck with it.
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    Originally Posted by sonnydfrizzy View Post
    The point is this:

    Tracking is still a crutch. You feel like crap. You abuse high volume foods. You don't eat any fats as a male. You IF.

    You NEED TO focus on big rocks and not maintain the crap habits that will still lead you feeling crappy.

    4 meals per day evenly dispersed.
    sufficient fats at each meal.
    smallest meal is before bed (one small snack like 1 apple)
    More calories in general.

    Do that ^^ while having a sufficient carbs, fats and proteins at each meal WITHOUT tracking.
    You know what a normal meal looks like. Now do that 3-4 times a day.
    Eventually, this is my goal .. this is my aim .. to eat intuitively .. 3 meals a day and knowing that i'm getting enough fats and protein..
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    Originally Posted by sonnydfrizzy View Post
    Exactly... MT you are worrying because you have not tried to change or stuck with it.
    I will .. as I promised, starting tomorrow.. P.s it's 10 pm here..
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    Originally Posted by dashdash89 View Post
    Yup, 100% this. But you never actually know. For example, 100g of one apple may be more or less than 100g of another due to water weight, etc. The number of calories our bodies burn in a day varies all the time. Some days i've been ravenous, then the next would go all day without thinking of food. We like to think we know more than our bodies (if that makes sense), but really that's the best way to really know if you "should" eat or not.
    In due time hopefully..
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    @Mos, you will not gonna feel hungry 24/7 if u eat more fats, i promise you, just think rationally, which is easier? Eat a fkload of pasta, or a block of butter? Fatty foods feels "heavy".
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    Originally Posted by Grappa View Post
    @Mos, you will not gonna feel hungry 24/7 if u eat more fats, i promise you, just think rationally, which is easier? Eat a fkload of pasta, or a block of butter? Fatty foods feels "heavy".
    Pasta because a block of butter just sounds disgusting man haha!

    Besides nuts, nut butters, oil, avocado, fatty meats .. what other sources of fats do you guys go for?
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    Originally Posted by MosToorani View Post
    Pasta because a block of butter just sounds disgusting man haha!

    Besides nuts, nut butters, oil, avocado, fatty meats .. what other sources of fats do you guys go for?
    Eggs, if u can digest diary youghurt, sour cream, cheese, milk, CHICKEN WINGS, THIGHS (last 2 cheap as fk) ofc leave the skin on, salmon, pork meat, fatty beef cuts, butter, animal fat (here we fry down a lot of duck skin with the fat on, it turns into "chips" and leave a fkload of fat, we put it in a jar, than to the fridge. We use it to spread on bread or cook stuff on it.
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    Originally Posted by Grappa View Post
    Eggs, if u can digest diary youghurt, sour cream, cheese, milk, CHICKEN WINGS, THIGHS (last 2 cheap as fk) ofc leave the skin on, salmon, pork meat, fatty beef cuts, butter, animal fat (here we fry down a lot of duck skin with the fat on, it turns into "chips" and leave a fkload of fat, we put it in a jar, than to the fridge. We use it to spread on bread or cook stuff on it.
    Cheers bud!

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    Originally Posted by MosToorani View Post
    Cheers bud!

    I'm looking for easy stuff to take to work haha
    It is pretty easy to spread fat on bread toss in some onion rings and bring it to work.
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    Originally Posted by Grappa View Post
    It is pretty easy to spread fat on bread toss in some onion rings and bring it to work.
    Haha! Yeah .. PB wraps for sure..
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    Originally Posted by MosToorani View Post
    Haha! Yeah .. PB wraps for sure..
    It tastes good man Duck fat is bomb DD I eat that a lot, also energy bars have decent fat content too.
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    Originally Posted by Grappa View Post
    It tastes good man Duck fat is bomb DD I eat that a lot, also energy bars have decent fat content too.
    I'd typically take almonds, PB wraps and a protein bar as snacks to work .. to hit some fats at least..
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    Dude... eat 3 meals per day.

    What foods did you used to like?

    Eat things like cheese, whole eggs, no reduced-fat foods, olive oil, almond butter, dark chocolate, butter, fatty fish, fatty meats, etc.

    It is not hard to get in fats. You just have to eat normally.
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    What does a typical day of eating look like for you? Maybe I can help you out..
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    Originally Posted by sonnydfrizzy View Post
    Dude... eat 3 meals per day.

    What foods did you used to like?

    Eat things like cheese, whole eggs, no reduced-fat foods, olive oil, almond butter, dark chocolate, butter, fatty fish, fatty meats, etc.

    It is not hard to get in fats. You just have to eat normally.
    True .. True..

    Been living with this ED and low fat intake (besides the occasional chocolates, nuts, PB and ice cream) that I think I'm just overwhelmed at the moment to actually HIT 70 grams throughout the day instead of waiting until dinner time ..
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    Originally Posted by sonnydfrizzy View Post
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    What does a typical day of eating look like for you? Maybe I can help you out..
    IF Days .. which are non-gym days .. A shake in the morning, a shake at noon .. dinner is large bowl of salad with chicken/tuna .. GY with strawberries, protein fluff, PB and rice cake?, cereal, chocolate/ice cream, apple, huge serving of carrots, protein bar (yes, dinner is all of those in a space of 2 hours max)

    gym days ... handful of nuts, salad with chicken/tuna, carrots, protein bar, apple .. finish work, go to the gym, then the above dinner (smaller portion) but without ice cream/chocolate and just a serving of cereal instead of 2 or 3 minimum...
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    Originally Posted by MosToorani View Post
    IF Days .. which are non-gym days .. A shake in the morning, a shake at noon .. dinner is large bowl of salad with chicken/tuna .. GY with strawberries, protein fluff, PB and rice cake?, cereal, chocolate/ice cream, apple, huge serving of carrots, protein bar (yes, dinner is all of those in a space of 2 hours max)

    gym days ... handful of nuts, salad with chicken/tuna, carrots, protein bar, apple .. finish work, go to the gym, then the above dinner (smaller portion) but without ice cream/chocolate and just a serving of cereal instead of 2 or 3 minimum...
    Woah, the gycemic hunger is not killing you in the mornings?
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    Originally Posted by Grappa View Post
    Woah, the gycemic hunger is not killing you in the mornings?
    I got used to it in the morning ... coffee helps .. but i get a crash at noon time .. that's during IF days ..

    On gym days, it's obviously slightly better as I eat nuts until lunch time and like 3 snacks until I hit the gym ... Hence lunch is a large salad and like 500 grams of carrots..
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    good night gents .. and once again, thank you for everything .. this will be life changing..

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    Originally Posted by MosToorani View Post
    good night gents .. and once again, thank you for everything .. this will be life changing..

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    In the morning if i do not get my carbs/simple sugars i honestly believe i would pass out few hours later.
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    Okay great! I will give you a template now:

    **No more intermittent fasting

    Meal 1 (wake-up)
    1 bowl cereal with 2% milk
    3 whole eggs, 1 serving cheese, salsa and onion, bellpepper, mushroom mixed in

    Meal 2:
    bowl of pasta with 85% lean ground beef, Parmesan cheese and sauteed vegetables mixed

    Meal 3
    Salmon/steak/chicken thighs, potatoes sliced and baked in olive oil, and side salad w/olives and avocado (small salad)

    Snack before sleep (2 hours before sleep):
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    Originally Posted by MosToorani View Post
    IF Days .. which are non-gym days .. A shake in the morning, a shake at noon .. dinner is large bowl of salad with chicken/tuna .. GY with strawberries, protein fluff, PB and rice cake?, cereal, chocolate/ice cream, apple, huge serving of carrots, protein bar (yes, dinner is all of those in a space of 2 hours max)

    gym days ... handful of nuts, salad with chicken/tuna, carrots, protein bar, apple .. finish work, go to the gym, then the above dinner (smaller portion) but without ice cream/chocolate and just a serving of cereal instead of 2 or 3 minimum...
    Wow... I'd probably get fired from work if I ate like that... my brain would stop working...

    I'm hungry when I wake up and need both carbs and fats to even feel ready to move.

    Lately my go to breakfast is several servings of oats, PB or almond butter and a banana mixed in, plus a scoop of protein, plus blueberries... then I have two slices of toast with jam... some days it's enough, some days I need more.

    I can't imagine just drinking some liquid and then heading out the door. Sometimes if I'm in a rush I have to and then I need to grab something near the office, and it sucks, because my office is about 45min from home

    Believe me I am all too familiar with the urge to eat as little as possible until the evening. It's yet another defense mechanism against food and stems from the fear of over eating... another term for it is 'macro hoarding.' Basically you fear that, because you 'love food', you'll instinctively eat even normal amounts during the day and then overeat at night. It's a lack of trust.

    The problem is that, along with All IF protocols, they make you less energized in the morning because the residual bloat from the huge meals is NOT the same as having energy... it's basically just training your gut to have huge capacity... which is why competitive eaters consume HUGE amounts of lettuce and water leading up to competitions. It's a confusing sensation because physically you might be full, but you want more anyway because nutrition-wise you're NOT fulfilled.
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    Originally Posted by Grappa View Post
    here we fry down a lot of duck skin with the fat on, it turns into "chips" and leave a fkload of fat, we put it in a jar, than to the fridge. We use it to spread on bread or cook stuff on it.
    At Christmas in my country people save the fat from the duck that has been roasting in the oven. Then they use the duck fat as a spread on bread and put full fat cheese, salami or some sort of meat on top of the bread and fat. Looks disgusting
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    Originally Posted by Strength93 View Post
    At Christmas in my country people save the fat from the duck that has been roasting in the oven. Then they use the duck fat as a spread on bread and put full fat cheese, salami or some sort of meat on top of the bread and fat. Looks disgusting
    But it tastes good xDDD
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Wow... I'd probably get fired from work if I ate like that... my brain would stop working...

    I'm hungry when I wake up and need both carbs and fats to even feel ready to move.

    Lately my go to breakfast is several servings of oats, PB or almond butter and a banana mixed in, plus a scoop of protein, plus blueberries... then I have two slices of toast with jam... some days it's enough, some days I need more.

    I can't imagine just drinking some liquid and then heading out the door. Sometimes if I'm in a rush I have to and then I need to grab something near the office, and it sucks, because my office is about 45min from home

    Believe me I am all too familiar with the urge to eat as little as possible until the evening. It's yet another defense mechanism against food and stems from the fear of over eating... another term for it is 'macro hoarding.' Basically you fear that, because you 'love food', you'll instinctively eat even normal amounts during the day and then overeat at night. It's a lack of trust.

    The problem is that, along with All IF protocols, they make you less energized in the morning because the residual bloat from the huge meals is NOT the same as having energy... it's basically just training your gut to have huge capacity... which is why competitive eaters consume HUGE amounts of lettuce and water leading up to competitions. It's a confusing sensation because physically you might be full, but you want more anyway because nutrition-wise you're NOT fulfilled.
    Not just the brain fog, the general fatigue caused by low blood sugar that is the worst part of it. My body is really sensitive especially now for fasting, i sleep 9-10 hours a day and when i wake up i am that hungry that i even feel nauseated.
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    Originally Posted by MosToorani View Post
    Then the ED took control and made me lose another 30-40 KG .. So over all, I lost about 110-120 KG .. Yes .. I've got pictures to prove it.
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    Wow...so much respect for your situation now, Mos. No wonder you're paranoid about every detail of recovery after losing so much weight. Gosh, I've only lost 20 KG and recovery has been difficult enough for me.

    Our situations are similar though in that we're scared of returning to our pre-ED physiques...as opposed to some guys who feel they looked better back then and are consequently more motivated to recover. I was always small in appearance, but had a wider waist and carried a lot of flab on my body (especially lower body for some reason). Started getting an "A shape" and my clothes were tight. Now I'm real skinny and my parents are making me gain weight but it's difficult for me because I look better now than I ever did, even though it's not great by any means. My arms are more toned than they were and I have abs. I've always had the fear that gaining weight would bring me back to my old physique, but in reality that physique was created by a lifestyle of low activity and endless snacking on dessert foods. 3,000 calories/day of nutritious foods under my current activity isn't going to do that...I don't think. It's hard convincing myself and I'm sure you can relate. Still obsessed with channeling my surplus of calories toward muscle and not fat.

    No sex drive whatsoever, a long past of "saving calories" for the evening, fear of going to bed hungry...I have all of the same issues, although the mental strain for your situation has to be so much more extreme. Hope the best for you and be encouraged, buddy! You've got this. Feel free to shoot me a PM too if there's anything you'd like to discuss and relate on.
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    Back from a 2 week vacation. No tracking, just eating a lot of food and not giving a damn about weight. Was fantastic!
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    Binged again last night, 2-3x a week binge sessions are not good, just want to eat like a normal person, therapy session booked for next wednesday
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    Originally Posted by Bonnappe View Post
    Binged again last night, 2-3x a week binge sessions are not good, just want to eat like a normal person, therapy session booked for next wednesday
    When did the binging start? Did you start dieting or feel guilt about eating?

    I know the struggles, I struggled with binging for 6 months after I lost a lot of weight and was being way too restrictive with my intake. It may not feel like it atm but you'll laugh about it once you get over it.
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    Originally Posted by howardyeates View Post
    When did the binging start? Did you start dieting or feel guilt about eating?

    I know the struggles, I struggled with binging for 6 months after I lost a lot of weight and was being way too restrictive with my intake. It may not feel like it atm but you'll laugh about it once you get over it.
    In december 2016 I think, no didn't start dieting nor feeling any guilt, just had one ''binge'' one day and it felt so great I got hooked on them immediately

    Curious as to what made you break the binging cycle?
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