New TRAVEL BAN EO coming next week!

[ZenBowman]

Do you even European News? Europe was the petri dish and it is a disaster. How is it possible to be this misinformed?

A lot of people point out rather smugly that toddlers kill more people in the US than terrorists do.

Yes, but there is absolutely no chance that toddlers will ever stage a hostile takeover of our nation were the state security apparatus to weaken. Intent matters.

In order to determine the effects of a particular policy, we do not need to implement the policy and then wait for a bloodbath. We can observe what happens when other countries adopt the policy, and use that as a guide.

The modern left rejects the idea that you can learn anything from the ancient past, and now it seems, they have extended that arrogance to declining lessons from the recent past as well.

[Skezo]

How will this EO impact Illegal immigrants? What % of crime is committed by illegal immigrants vs US citizens?

Illegal immigrants commit crimes at a rate roughly FOUR TIMES HIGHER than the general public AFTER removing any crimes related to immigration itself.

[wesleysh21]

It better include countries terrorists actually come from/are sponsored by (Saudi Arabia)

The problem with Saudi Arabia is that they are playing both sides of the fence. They are helping us with intel and tracking down terrorists, while also helping terrorists. They are a fukd up asset, which is why they weren't identified by the previous administration/congress as being the 7 worst.

[wesleysh21]

Are there not retired federal judges? Would it be that difficult for him to run the EO by that judge to get an expert opinion on if it's constitutional or not?

He ran it by lawyers in the government for the last one and they said it was good to go.

[wesleysh21]

A lot of people point out rather smugly that toddlers kill more people in the US than terrorists do.

Yes, but there is absolutely no chance that toddlers will ever stage a hostile takeover of our nation were the state security apparatus to weaken. Intent matters.

In order to determine the effects of a particular policy, we do not need to implement the policy and then wait for a bloodbath. We can observe what happens when other countries adopt the policy, and use that as a guide.

The modern left rejects the idea that you can learn anything from the ancient past, and now it seems, they have extended that arrogance to declining lessons from the recent past as well.

Great point.

[KingTrump2016]

I know you're a moronic troll, but 100% of "illegal" immigrants are criminals.

People that grow pot in their backyards to smoke are criminals.

[JrM703]

The problem with Saudi Arabia is that they are playing both sides of the fence. They are helping us with intel and tracking down terrorists, while also helping terrorists. They are a fukd up asset, which is why they weren't identified by the previous administration/congress as being the 7 worst.

Not to mention they have an operating government, with a functional record keeping system of their citizens, and functioning airport security screening.

[dfwt70gt]

lol at the scared *******s ITT. I'm way more worried about some right wing nutjob with muh guns than some freaking refugee. If nothing else just from a sheer numbers perspective.

Have you aware'd the Fed that you are opening your personal residence for these refugees? I mean, you are concerned about muh gunz which proves your space is the safest for them.

[KingTrump2016]

A lot of people point out rather smugly that toddlers kill more people in the US than terrorists do.

Yes, but there is absolutely no chance that toddlers will ever stage a hostile takeover of our nation were the state security apparatus to weaken. Intent matters.

In order to determine the effects of a particular policy, we do not need to implement the policy and then wait for a bloodbath. We can observe what happens when other countries adopt the policy, and use that as a guide.

The modern left rejects the idea that you can learn anything from the ancient past, and now it seems, they have extended that arrogance to declining lessons from the recent past as well.

That is what gun grabbers say. Look at <insert country without guns>. They are safer. Therefore ban guns.

[InstantLoser]

People that grow pot in their backyards to smoke are criminals.

And? You're going to make some dumb fukc argument about how we don't deport them? They're citizens. We don't deport legal citizens, but we do punish them when they break the law, according to whatever the legal prescribed sentence may be.

[CorgiBrah]

People that grow pot in their backyards to smoke are criminals.

Poor argument, I know plenty of people who grow pot in their back yards and smoke it, legally.

But people jumping the border without proper process, illegal.

What makes them able to skip the line when my family has paid 20k+ and have waited 13 years for the rest of my family in Vietnam to come from over?

[thedarrenestes]

Illegals commit a staggering amount of crime - aside from entering the country illegally, which is itself a crime.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0k...cwbkN5Ylk/view

Lmao this....100% of Illegals commit crime...so much in fact that they are universally described as.....

**ILLEGAL**

[JrM703]

As was formentioned, illegals are such a non issue they sought to redefine the term to undocumented or dreamers.

Seems legit.

[KingTrump2016]

And? You're going to make some dumb fukc argument about how we don't deport them? They're citizens. We don't deport legal citizens, but we do punish them when they break the law, according to whatever the legal prescribed sentence may be.

No we dont. Several states have legalized marijuana and providing sanctuary states for traffickers. Hell they are even taxing traffickers.

[ZenBowman]

That is what gun grabbers say. Look at <insert country without guns>. They are safer. Therefore ban guns.

Except the results of gun control have been mixed. Mostly positive in Europe, and quite negative in the Americas. Additionally, looking at state-by-state regulations, again, we have mixed results.

So on the question of safety, it isn't clear cut with gun control. Additionally, there is the issue of preserving liberty, and when it comes to gun control, you have to weigh how much liberty you give up for security. We don't allow tanks, or automatic weapons, or bazookas to be sold to the general public, so that demonstrates that even conservatives don't believe in total liberty on this issue.

The same goes for immigration, except an immigration-restrictionist policy is not a violation of liberty for citizens of this nation.

[KingTrump2016]

Poor argument, I know plenty of people who grow pot in their back yards and smoke it, legally.

its against federal law. They are felons. Plain and simple. They need to be in prison. States are providing sanctuary for people breaking federal drug laws. They are no different than illegals living in sanctuary cities.

[CorgiBrah]

its against federal law. They are felons. Plain and simple. They need to be in prison. States are providing sanctuary for people breaking federal drug laws. They are no different than illegals living in sanctuary cities.

But people jumping the border without proper process, illegal.

What makes them able to skip the line when my family has paid 20k+ and have waited 13 years for the rest of my family in Vietnam to come from over?

[InstantLoser]

No we dont. Several states have legalized marijuana and providing sanctuary states for traffickers. Hell they are even taxing traffickers.

If they've legalized Marijuana in those states, then nobody is breaking the law. It's not a "sanctuary state" if it's legal.

You can't be this stupid.

[CorgiBrah]

its against federal law. They are felons. Plain and simple. They need to be in prison. States are providing sanctuary for people breaking federal drug laws. They are no different than illegals living in sanctuary cities.

If they've legalized Marijuana in those states, then nobody is breaking the law. It's not a "sanctuary state" if it's legal.

You can't be this stupid.

This lol, if it's legalized and regulated by the state... then it's legal. Feds can't bust in your house in a legalized state and arrest you for possession charges ya dunce.

Edit:

"What’s legal?
In Colorado, it is legal for an adult aged 21 or over to:

possess up to one ounce of marijuana for recreational use
grow or cultivate up to 6 marijuana plants
give away marijuana to other adults aged 21 and over (without exchanging money)
cultivate, process, and sell industrial hemp (this is not the same as the cannabis you smoke to achieve a high)

But, there are several things the new legislation does not legalize. The following are still considered illegal:

smoking marijuana in public
selling marijuana
possessing, growing, or using marijuana if you are under the age of 21"

[A-GAME]

If they've legalized Marijuana in those states, then nobody is breaking the law. It's not a "sanctuary state" if it's legal.

You can't be this stupid.

Have you never read his posts?

[InstantLoser]

Have you never read his posts?

Not many I guess.

[gixxer0.6g]

How will this EO impact Illegal immigrants? What % of crime is committed by illegal immigrants vs US citizens?

Welp, I wasn't sure if I should take your posts seriously, but after this one, I can now just put you on the ignore list with KingTrump.

The percentage of illegals committing the number of crimes are as follows, according to Fox News:

13.6 percent of those sentenced for all committed crimes in the country
12 percent of murder sentences
16 percent of trafficking sentences

Almost 50 percent of federal crimes were committed near the Mexico border.

Illegal immigrants accounted for nearly 75 percent of federal drug sentences in 2014

[StarFox]

If they've legalized Marijuana in those states, then nobody is breaking the law. It's not a "sanctuary state" if it's legal.

You can't be this stupid.

KT's just being deliberately obtuse in order to "argue".

[moksha16]

Are there not retired federal judges? Would it be that difficult for him to run the EO by that judge to get an expert opinion on if it's constitutional or not?

Hey.. Trump did two years undergrad at Wharton.. that school has a famous business school.. he wasn't in that... but the overall school is pretty good and donald is very smart.. sure he didn't get in on his own. .but after daddy greased some palms they let him finish his bachelors. .. very smart. BIGLY!!

[NitrogenWidget]

But people jumping the border without proper process, illegal.

What makes them able to skip the line when my family has paid 20k+ and have waited 13 years for the rest of my family in Vietnam to come from over?

Notice how he keeps ignoring this part in your posts?

[CorgiBrah]

Notice how he keeps ignoring this part in your posts?

he argues for "immigrants" but is completely clueless. Doesn't realize that there are apprx 4 million+ people on a waiting list to come in and these numbers grow annually. My family categorizes under "fourth preference", have been waiting for 13 years to come over. There is also delay for immigrants waiting to come into America because of USCIS preferring DACA or "Dreamers" over long-term applicants. So basically, we were almost green light @ 8 years and now it's been delayed to 13 years, on top of lawyer fees and application expenses. But people fight for people to live here for free off process and expenses.

So where's your argument KT you clown

[SillieBazzillie]

Welp, I wasn't sure if I should take your posts seriously, but after this one, I can now just put you on the ignore list with KingTrump.

lol at your stats. Fox gives no hard data and notes it used a "patchwork of stats" to develop their stupid theory. I could link to a bunch of sites stating that the illegal crime % is actually less than the general population, but what would be the point? The sheep are convinced and scared and there's no going back for you guys. Enjoy your imaginary world where illegal immigrants are this crushing burden to society.

[wesleysh21]

This lol, if it's legalized and regulated by the state... then it's legal. Feds can't bust in your house in a legalized state and arrest you for possession charges ya dunce.

Edit:

"What’s legal?
In Colorado, it is legal for an adult aged 21 or over to:

possess up to one ounce of marijuana for recreational use
grow or cultivate up to 6 marijuana plants
give away marijuana to other adults aged 21 and over (without exchanging money)
cultivate, process, and sell industrial hemp (this is not the same as the cannabis you smoke to achieve a high)

But, there are several things the new legislation does not legalize. The following are still considered illegal:

smoking marijuana in public
selling marijuana
possessing, growing, or using marijuana if you are under the age of 21"

Federal law takes precedent over state law. The federal government is not enforcing the law on the books, which is completely different than saying that they don't have the right.

[rammer19]

Yes! Daddy Trump finally going to keep us safe from all those murderous right wing school shooters! Oh, this ban will only impact a group of people who don't really commit very many crimes?

Rats :/

The likes of you dont care about kids being murdered in their schools. Look how easily you jest about it. Their deaths mean nothing to people like you.

Its has not been right wingers committing those crimes. The vast majority of violent crime, most crime for that matter, come from people who are members of the 'left'.

Whether its gang violence or kiddie porn or school shootings, the perp is usually going to be a leftist. A dem.

And to top it off your kind are boring. You dont really get high, your lame in the sack and you cant rock n roll. You narc on people so easily...not even to stay out of jail but just for revenge over things that never really happened.

Ive known alot leftist. You cant be trusted and you dont pull your own weight.

[CorgiBrah]

Federal law takes precedent over state law. The federal government is not enforcing the law on the books, which is completely different than saying that they don't have the right.

So if you smoke pot in your backyard in a legalized state are you or are you not going to get arrested with a felony? Which is what KT was arguing.

If so, care to explain? I always want to be accurate.

If not, his argument is moot.