overdid it on seated cable rows. and after that i kept going with back exercises so that probably destroyed it even more.
my job is pretty physical well, not so much right now, i'm sort of doing light duty, but i'm always on my feet moving at work, so i'm sort of pretty active. just haven't used my muscles.
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10-31-2018, 05:36 AM #1112
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well, if you tore something, you would have known. My senior year of high school i was the kicker for my football team. Our 3rd game of the season (homecoming), I was blasting some 65 yard kick offs and I over rotated and tore a portion of my lower lat. I thought that I had smashed my ribs into my hip (when i over rotated) and after a few minutes i'd feel better. This ended up being false. I tried a few more kicks and tossed in the towel. Couldnt even do team warm ups. My point is, a tear will be HELLA painful and will take several months to heal completely. You likely just strained something
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Bending and twisting is ALWAYS a non-no. Its a GREAT way to slip a disc. In your case, it will aggravate the SH|T out of your injury. Can you post a pic of exactly where the injury is?
Also, my grandmother always used this stuff for muscular injuries and it always helped here. She would put it on gauze and use it as a compress and it helped the inflammation
Thanks for reading the OP
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11-01-2018, 04:59 PM #1118
this picture is pretty much right on, the image on the left, with the red circles,
can feel the pain from the bottom of the my right ass cheek, all the way up to just above that ass cheek. i guess to where the "x" symbols are. just above the bone marks the end of the ass cheek going up is where the injury is i think
i will check that out. i definitely need some of that stuff.
edit: **** i think i know what i might have tank: "sciatica"
booked an appointment with a doc for tomorrow just now cause this **** seems serious but have no idea what the doc can do about itLast edited by 2RDEYE; 11-02-2018 at 08:10 PM.
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11-08-2018, 09:41 AM #1119
trying to up my cardio tank because i haven't been really pushing myself with any cardio activity in a long time, i tried 10 minutes on the stairmaster at level 10 speed and it was easy for me because i was used to it before, but my heart felt like it was going to explode, is that too dangerous? it was beating so fast. but my body could handle the exercise.
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11-08-2018, 12:52 PM #1120
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Any idea what your heart rate was? If your vision gets to where it seems like everything is "flashing" then youve gone too far. If i miss more than a few months and i get back in the gym, my strength is still there by I cant do much cardio so my BP and heart rate alwasy get too high and It seems like i'm at a rave and I know i need to calm down. I mean, like you said, heart rate was the only limiting factor.
You'll need to take the intensity down though and work your way up. The idea of "cardio" is to get your heart rate down by increasing your stroke volume. Stroke volume is the amount of blood pumped OUT of the heart each beat. You do this through combinations of cardiovascular, resistance exercises and you could also consider nutrition as part of the equation too. What the goal is, physiologically speaking, is to try and gain hypertrophy of the heart,mainly your right ventricle since it is the last chamber that pumps the blood to the body (also its the biggest and most muscular chamber), but a healthy enlargement of the heart is hard to do and usually only achievable by elite athletes.
So try mixing LISS and HITT training. HITT helps with spiking your heart rate and initiating those forceful contractions in the heart valves that lead to a higher stroke volume. LISS helps with lactic acid buffering (which is the burning you feel in your muscles; the more buffering that occurs, the more lactic acid that gets reused as fuel; win-win) and will increase your HITT intensity and performance time. LISS is also good for a break from the HITT training because if you do HITT right, then you'll want to kill yourself but those fat tear shaped quads goals should keep you going.
And my condolences on sciatica brah. I have it to. Chit is bothering the FUK out of me right now. If you MISC in a computer chair, then get a lumbar support pillow or do what i do and put a pillow or 2 behind you for support. My sciatica is why I have to pull a chair around to scramble eggs but my problem was caused by surgery. Watch these videos and see if they help. Also, invest in some Gel ice packs, a heating pad, a TENS unit with PLENTY of electrode pads (i bought 100 extra pads on ebay) and sleep with a few pillows under your legs. I sleep with comforters folded up under mine and my knees pulled up to my chest as far as i can get them
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11-08-2018, 02:34 PM #1121
thanks man. not sure what my heart rate was but i feel really dizzy, it feels like a state of being high, but after like i guess 10 minutes im back to normal. when you mean try mixing LISS and HITT u mean like different days? 1 day liss and 1 day hitt?
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Lol yeah. Different days. You can do LISS then HIIT the next day but probably not HIIT then LISS. HITT, when properly done, is BROOOOTAL (for max gains). You might want to invest in a BP monitor or check it once or twice a week at a store. Just to be on the safe side. It wouldnt be cool if you you died from an un-Dx'd heart issue. I'd have to reach into heaven and rip your screaming twink () soul back
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I see you refrence Jeff Cavaliere several times. This is someone who I feel has helped me in several area and who's videos I follow regularly. So I am curious how u feel about max effort on each set. He often talks about going basically till failure on each set. And I do go ham each set not worrying about the next. However he also talks about best time under tension in regards to hypertrophy.
This really only comes into play most times for my bench press. When I take a weight that challenges me to hit say 8 to 10 reps the first set. It doesn't seem to matter if I increase rest time slightly I normally can only hit say 5 reps the next few sets which again I have no doubt I am making progress giving full intensity but may not reach the optimal time under tension for growth. I didn't know if dropping the weight after first set would be more beneficial?
Since now that I think about it is only on flat bench and not even any other compound excersiee maybe it is a specifically area involved that is weaker for me or where I don't have stamina for that lift.
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Bench press is a VERY poor representation of upper body strength as it BARELY uses any ROM for the pectorals. The action of the Pectorals is adduction of the humerus
One of the best exercises that utilizes a full ROM is the chest fly and I suggest doing standing cable flies for that. For the BEST results, you start with a FULL stretch and then a strong contraction. With the chest fly you end with the hand meeting at the midline with a tight squeeze. But i get it. The BP is an ego lift and we all like to have solid numbers on it.
Time under tension and Lifting until failure are VERY closely related but not EXACTLY the same thing because the goals are different. Time under tension is a TIMED GOAL where you are shooting for a specific time to make your set last and the evidence suggests that the time range is 45 sec to 1 minute. Lifting until failure is kind of an umbrella term because failure has several definitions depending on your goals. If you are a power lifter, then your goals are strength and power so your sets are aimed at increasing speed and strength. If you can no longer generate substantial speed, then the reps are no longer productive, so you've just hit one type of failure. If you are a bodybuilder, and you have to break form to finish your set of pull ups, then the reps are not really worth it anymore because you are cheating yourself.
As far as WHY you are having trouble on your following sets, I cant really give you an answer because there are a myriad of potential culprits. It could be that you need to drop the weight on your first set and try doing the challenging weight as your 2nd set. SO if 225 was the challenging weight for 10 reps and 245 was the weight you only managed 5 reps out of, i would drop the weight to say, 205, then up it to 225. Or drop the weight low enough that you can take a full 3 seconds per rep. 3 seconds per rep with a slight pause in between each rep = 30-40 seconds so you are VERY close to the Time under tension range“That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.” - The Nameless City by HP Lovecraft
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11-15-2018, 09:33 AM #1125
do we need a lot of back exercises for back growth tank? i feel my back is actually a little more overdeveloped than the rest of my body because i've been doing manual labour work since i was 14. +i've been doing back exercises in the gym, then going to work where i work my back more. i think just the pull down exercises are important and don't need that many row exercises. i see some programs that have like 3 row exercises for their back day. is it a bad idea if you only have 1 row exercise? i actually stopped seated cable rows for the meantime, cause i tried it 3 days ago and it really ****ed my back again, so yeah **** that for maybe another full month. i use the machines for rows though. instead i added bicep exercises just to try it out, never worked bi's because i felt i was working them hard enough with back, but i feel like they have been severely lacking.
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This really isnt a simple answer IMO. Its a subjective question really that depends on each individuals physiological response to volume. I would imagine that you have a strong back, but not necessarily a "developed" back. In that VAST majority of people, we tend to have stronger pushing muscles than pulling because of the lifestyles we lead: desk jobs, sitting at computers in off times, driving etc. This tends to show with cavemen syndrome when the shoulders round forward, the head tilts forward as well and the mouth can hang open. Naturally, this leads to low back problems because this pushes your center of gravity SLIGHTLY higher and forward and given that a TINY % of the over all population lifts at all much less trains their core, this screws with the lumbar vertebrae.
I would try and have at least 3 compound exercises to back day. On mine, I do neutral grip chin ups, wide grip pull downs, standing cable pull downs and standard/Incline machine rows. This way, you hit all the major back muscles both together as well as give them a chance to be the prime movers or take the lead in the exercise.
When you did seated cable rows, it did somethign new to your back or just aggravated it more/again? If you come over, ive got candles, barry white and lavender massage oil. We can try and ease some of that pain. wink wink.
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11-15-2018, 09:28 PM #1127
Thanks, I actually totally forgot pullups count as compound. I always assumed it was an isolated move.
When I tried seated cable rows it pulled my lower back again hard as **** even on like 40% less weight than I usually pull. So yeah **** that lol. The other exercises I have no problem with. Just the seated cable rows... Idk why it happened to me. I lifted heavy as **** on them no problem for a long time. I guess my work kind of taxed it too much.
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11-16-2018, 10:20 AM #1128
I was doing some heavy deadlifts. On my last set I did 1x8 of 385 with a over/under hand grip. My left hand is over. On the last rep of the conventional deadlift, I felt like a strain on the back of my neck that shot straight to my head. It felt similar to a brain freeze. I could feel the thumping of my heart beat in my head... I had to immediately lay down and start to massage my own head. I almost felt like passing out. I think I could have easily passed out if i just gave in to the pain. It was throbbing, shooting pains from the back of my neck to my head. I took an ibuprofen and i can still feel a slight headache being present coming from my right side of my neck.
Wtf is this? My lifting mate said he also gets these when he goes heavy on squats. I suffered a stroke?Last edited by Lightsoft; 11-16-2018 at 10:30 AM.
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Do you have troubles with bent over rows? Seated rows and bent over rows will have you at a similar angle and SHOULD aggravate your back. But it should be a huge issue for sciatica. Usually the exercises you want to stay away from are squats, sit ups, burpees, certain hamstring stretches, cycling, deadlifting etc. Most cases of sciatica are caused by disc issues so you may way to think about talking with your doc and getting an MRI (i cant recall if we talked about that or not. All these stories have run together since i started the thread almost 2 years ago
It sounds like exercise induced migraine/headache. Is this the first time its ever happened? If so, you need to see a doctor. Most likely, its not a big deal because most of these are harmless, but a small % are caused by a tumor and brain bleeding. How long did the headache last?
I imagine that your blood pressure spiked WAY too high and that is what triggered it. Did you see stars or have any vision changes (blurriness, double vision, or it seemed like there was a strobe light in front of you)? These are symptoms of SEVERE hypertension. But laying down was a very good idea because that triggers am autonomic nervous system response to lower your BP. It wont lower it 30 points or anything but just enough to keep you from dying.
Where do you live btw? Were you exceptionally hot when this happened? SOMETHING pushed you to this breaking point so does anythign stick out as different/abnormal?“That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.” - The Nameless City by HP Lovecraft
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Two weeks from today I’m gonna be running a half marathon. I plan on doing maybe one more practice run on Tuesday.
So other than that practice run my question is, what would you recommend I do these next 2 weeks as far as training? Should I completely rest, do some light cardio every day? This is my first half marathon and I know I should get a good amount of rest prior to a race but I’m not sure to what extent.Follow my IG @kaseyx_music and listen to me on Spotify
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To be honest, i dont know exactly what to do for a half marathon. Running has it's own protocols because of the nature of the sport. I would def rest up 2-3 days before a carb load for sure though. I'ms ure there are some runners on the misc who can offer better insight than I can
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tank is this related to sciatica or my lower back? 3 nights ago i was rubbing my balls no homo (i wasn't thinking of u btw. was thinking of another guy) because i haven't checked for testicle cancer lumps in a long time. and since then i've been feeling pain in my left testicle. but when i rub the thigh next to it or my left glute the pain goes away. so surely this is just related to sciatica and not testicle problems? i've never felt this pain in my testicles before. it's like just an annoying soreness that's not going away. it's like in the left pelvis area as well. from my left testicle all the way up my pelvis
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Hey tankbrah, I have a really fast metabolism, and I am trying to bulk up, but I am also looking to do cardio. I am under the impression that poor cardio can affect your lifting performance. Is this true? If so, would you recommend low intensity cardio to burn fewer calories while also improving my cardio endurance?
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Sorry about the delay fellas. My computer went kaput and i'm waiting on a replacement CPU for it
This is no where near my scope but i was say that it hs to do with referred pain and the sciatica. If youve ever been to a chiropractor, they will make observations of your form while on your stomach and back, then ask you to look left or right, lift your shoulder or leg then back to neutral and study you again for any changes and see if you feel any different. Sometimes if i partake in the jazz cabbage, i get these fasciculations in my shoulder and when i look towards the shoulder where they are happening, it makes them stop.
If it was a disc issue, you would of had radiating pain that went away from the disc where the injury occured. Most likely, it would have gone down the leg through the glutes. How is it now?
Poor cardio does affect your anaerobic performance. The worse your cardio, the more winded you'll be after your sets. The better yourcardio, the longer you can train. But there is a delicate balance between anaerobic and aerobic hypertrophy training. It's usually specific to each person as to how much is and isnt required but its always a mix of LISS and HIIT training. Just dont do so much that you rob yourself of dem gainz
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12-03-2018, 10:24 AM #1139
Yeah it was ****ed up, it's definitely like the sciatica problem. I had my balls checked for cancer and **** lol it was awkward. But i've also been doing a lot of cardio, much more than I have ever done so I think maybe something with my nerves in my legs and back started ****ing with my balls. Or maybe when my leg was rubbing against my balls when doing cardio.
Another question actually, so I upped my cardio to 40 mins a day, cause I quit my job and don't have much to do lately, and the second day, yesterday, I dropped dead after the cardio, at home, I slept like ****ing an extra 4 hours cause my body just felt like collapsing, but today I did 40 minutes again and I feel alright so far. Was that just my body trying to get used to the new training?
Did some reading and saw something that said 40 minutes is the best to get the aerobic benefits from cardio, so that's why I decided on it, plus I wanna trim some fat. Read that muscle loss only occurs after like 18 miles of running, I don't know the truth to that though.Last edited by 2RDEYE; 12-03-2018 at 10:30 AM.
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i bet the doctor look at you like this when you said you wanted your balls checked
And your response was probably
I'm not sure why you crashed after cardio. Doubt it had anything to do with not working though
If you want to trim fat, i suggest HIIT training. Intervals of high intensity bursts (sprinting works excellently but you will literally want to kill yourself if you do it right) followed by a short burst of low intensity recovery intervals. In the army, we did 60/120s. Run for 60 sec, then walk for 120 sec. But this will be far too much if youve never done this type before. start with 15/30s if you have to then double it after a few weeks to 30/60s then onto 60/120s. The beuaty of HIIT training is that it's like doing supersets. It works GREAT when you dont have a lot of time and burns a LOT of kcals
You can also mix in some LISS/Long distance type training. The reasons for this are because you'll need a rest from the hiit training (because if you do it right, you'll be HELLA sore for DAYS and will redefine DOMS like youve never known before and when you can keep up LISS stuff for around 30 min, you, metabolically speaking, switch from using glucose/glycogen as your primary energy source to using fat as your energy source. The more you work at it, the faster you'll switch to burning fat. But if you keep up with the HIIT, then i'd imagine that might take longer since those are two MAJORLY different metabolic processes and you would be actively working to train them both“That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die.” - The Nameless City by HP Lovecraft
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