Chicago's murder rate explored on 60 Minutes tonight on CBS

[sclimb]

You didn't answer my question. Where was there a genocide of Korean and Vietnamese Americans?

Right before they moved to America... Those FOB Vietnamese Americans in the 1970s WERE the same Vietnamese people suffering virtual genocide, just without American paperwork until 1980.

And like I said before, stop focusing on America. There are 200 other countries in the world and black people have the same problems in all 200 of them. Focusing on American-centric causes for worldwide problems is retarded.

The only explanation is that black people have been perpetual victims of racism all over the world, even in Africa, for thousands of years. I personally believe this.

[RyanAintLying]

Right before they moved to America... Those FOB Vietnamese Americans in the 1970s WERE the same Vietnamese people suffering virtual genocide, just without American paperwork until 1980.

And like I said before, stop focusing on America. There are 200 other countries in the world and black people have the same problems in all 200 of them. Focusing on American-centric causes for worldwide problems is retarded.

Why are you comparing Vietnamese immigrants who moved to America in the 70s and 80s to 100+ years of Jim Crow laws and generations of slavery and disinfranchisement that blacks in America faced?

The two subjects you're trying to merge together are not even remotely similar.

And why wouldn't we focus on America? The discussion is about America inside a thread about a city in America. Stop changing the subject and stick to the topic.

[KurtMussell]

You have no idea what I'm doing.

Probably crossfit.

[WillBrink]

Explain Vietnamese and Korean Americans who experienced things 1000 times worse than African Americans will ever experience and turned it all around within 10-20 years.

They were literally living in straw and mud huts, went through something close to genocide, and show no signs of it today. Meanwhile, African Americans are sitting in air conditioned homes, 3 square meals a day, and nothing close to genocide, and are blaming everything on racism.

Inherent cultural perpetual victim mode is a mother f-er man. Unfortunately, that's one thing no one but you (Singular and or collective you) can change for you. Obviously, many in the black community have moved on, and I will tell you those that have, tend to have little empathy for those who have not. My friends who are doctors, cops, lawyers, etc, all of whom started with nothing and simply worked their a$$ off to get where they are.

Have they experienced racism in their life? Yes they have, but they didn't let it prevent them from making it happen for them.

[sclimb]

And why wouldn't we focus on America? The discussion is about America inside a thread about a city in America. Stop changing the subject and stick to the topic.

Because what we're talking about in that city repeats itself all over the world without exception in all of its 200 countries.. So, it would stand to reason that what causes those problems all over the world also causes those problems in Chicago, and that what causes those problems in Chicago also causes those same problems all over the world.

I've already stated my position. Black people started moving to Chicago in today's high crime areas back in the 1960s. At the same time, racist white people started moving out of those areas. Black people are also victims of racism in Europe, South America, and Asia. Black people were victims of racism in Africa during the colonial time periods. I really do believe that black people have been victimized more than any other racial group and have been victimized for thousands of years all over the world.

[cashinout]

any links to the full episode?

[RyanAintLying]

Because what we're talking about in that city repeats itself all over the world without exception in all of its 200 countries.. So, it would stand to reason that what causes those problems all over the world also causes those problems in Chicago, and that what causes those problems in Chicago also causes those same problems all over the world.

Which is what? Black people themselves? Right? That's what you're hinting at

[sclimb]

Which is what? Black people themselves? Right? That's what you're hinting at

No. Very few races have been **** on as much as black people have both worldwide and throughout history. Without fail, they almost all have huge problems; aboriginals, native Americans, etc. Some, like Jewish people and Chinese people, prosper but most do not. All things considered, black people have managed to not become extinct and, given history, that's an exceptional outcome. Aboriginals and native Americans, for example, are barely alive today.

[Dave22reborn]

Well most schools get their money from property taxes. If someone lives in a bad neighborhood he or she isn't going to get the same education as someone who lives in the "rich" part of town. So there has to be a better way to fund these schools.

A lot of convicted felons struggle get a regular simply because no employee really wants to deal with the risk and because he may have better options ( someone who has a clean record or is young).

Not all prisons offer job programs or an education and if they do it's very limited but there's plenty more that they can do.

Edit: typo

So you want to somehow transform schools in the inner cities, to high quality, non metal detector like schools?

And why do people like you tell others to hire convicted felons, but you'll never open up your own business and hire convicted felons?

[bassline8]

[Dave22reborn]

No. Very few races have been **** on as much as black people have both worldwide and throughout history. Without fail, they almost all have huge problems; aboriginals, native Americans, etc. Some, like Jewish people and Chinese people, prosper but most do not. All things considered, black people have managed to not become extinct and, given history, that's an exceptional outcome. Aboriginals and native Americans, for example, are barely alive today.

Native Americans were practically wiped out because of disease.

[JD805]

So you want to somehow transform schools in the inner cities, to high quality, non metal detector like schools?

And why do people like you tell others to hire convicted felons, but you'll never open up your own business and hire convicted felons?

When did I say I didn't want metal detectors ? I want to make sure that those schools have the same rescources aka after school activities, sports, clubs, etc that other school have.

I understand why people would not want to hire convicted felons that's why we need to find ways to encourage employers to hire ex felons. This is one example: http://www.businessinsider.com/benef...-owners-2012-1

[Dave22reborn]

Bull****. That's just a way to rationalize believing something that's easy to believe because you want to believe it.

The African American crime rate is at all-time low today and African American educational achievement is at an all-time high.

Plus, there are ~200 countries outside of the U.S. Black people have high crime rates and low educational achievements in all 200 of them. So, you can't blame this on African American culture.

The truth is much harder to stomach. Black people have been the victims of racism all over the world in all 200 countries, even in Africa. There's a worldwide white supremacist culture that has perpetually kept the black man down everywhere for thousands of years.

Do you believe the **** you type?

[ftlouis71]

in b4 they blame the guns

It is the guns.

[R3nmazuo]

just saw the episode, srs the people who are protesting the violence are wearing "straight out of chicago sweat shirts" with baggy pants lol, im telling you its that hip hop culture which they will never abandon.

[Dave22reborn]

When did I say I didn't want metal detectors ? I want to make sure that those schools have the same rescources aka after school activities, sports, clubs, etc that other school have.

I understand why people would not want to hire convicted felons that's why we need to find ways to encourage employers to hire ex felons. This is one example: http://www.businessinsider.com/benef...-owners-2012-1

These schools do have after school activities. The students refuse to join them.

And a small business owner will choose people they can trust to work for them.

[Dave22reborn]

just saw the episode, srs the people who are protesting the violence are wearing "straight out of chicago sweat shirts" with baggy pants lol, im telling you its that hip hop culture which they will never abandon.

So who or what are they blaming?

[R3nmazuo]

So who or what are they blaming?

not themselves and their community thats for sure

[JD805]

These schools do have after school activities. The students refuse to join them.

And a small business owner will choose people they can trust to work for them.

Where is the research that says that they refuse it ? if this were true we should keep working to motivate them to get them to join and not just "give up". I understand, hiring an ex con isn't appealing but that's not to say that they will re-offend again especially if they got some form of rehab inside prison.

[Dave22reborn]

Where is the research that says that they refuse it ? if this were true we should keep working to motivate them to get them to join and not just "give up". I understand, hiring an ex con isn't appealing but that's not to say that they will re-offend again especially if they got some form of rehab inside prison.

It's the responsibility of the state to encourage them to participate in after school activities, and not their parent?

And why should a business hire someone who's been arrested multiple times for theft?

[JD805]

It's the responsibility of the state to encourage them to participate in after school activities, and not their parent?

And why should a business hire someone who's been arrested multiple times for theft?

Yes, why wouldn't it be ? we want kids to have the same opportunities as any other kid regardless of their economic background.It can also help prevent crime and over crowding in prisons. Why is that a big deal ?

People change and there is thing called insurance and like I said before, we can give them incentives to hire ex cons.

[ToolTime2120]

It happened on wilson and broadway, it's literally the **** hole of the north side, so yeah most of the shootings (98%) happen in the chit areas

but yeah Chicago sucks for just about everything except food

Can confirm on the chittyness of that area. I live off Lawrence and Damen have to drive through uptown to get to Lake Shore Dr. on the way to work. Definitely ruins the north side.

To echo what fellow Chicago brahs have said for those unaware, the vast majority of these murders happen in areas of the South and West sides that any tourist/law abiding citizen would not find themselves in. Unless you get fuked by traffic and have to take alternate routes for work, I can't see how anyone would end up in Englewood, Washington Park, Auburn Gresham, Back of the Yards, etc. Obviously, some ppl naturally work there, but tourists would not end up there.

But, even the north/northwest side is seeing its fair share of crime. Aside from chithole Uptown, areas like Lakeview, Wrigleyville, Boystown, Avondale, Irving Park and the area around Loyola University have seen more chit happen recently.

[sclimb]

Do you believe the **** you type?

I believe most of it, but not all of it.

[Dave22reborn]

Yes, why wouldn't it be ? we want kids to have the same opportunities as any other kid regardless of their economic background.It can also help prevent crime and over crowding in prisons. Why is that a big deal ?

People change and there is thing called insurance and like I said before, we can give them incentives to hire ex cons.

So it's not the responsibility of their parent, but the state? And teachers encourage students to join after school activities all the time.

And insurance isn't going to buy you piece of mind. I'd rather hire someone who is going to do the job, vs someone who might steal from my business.

[JD805]

So it's not the responsibility of their parent, but the state? And teachers encourage students to join after school activities all the time.

And insurance isn't going to buy you piece of mind. I'd rather hire someone who is going to do the job, vs someone who might steal from my business.

Who said it wasn't ? it's a part of it. I understand why you wouldn't want to hire an ex con but to say that they will all re offend is pretty absurd.

I honestly don't know what you're trying to get at, it seems like you aren't interested in helping people and just want to make excuses as to why we shouldn't.

[RyanAintLying]

No.

So what is this then?

Because what we're talking about in that city repeats itself all over the world without exception in all of its 200 countries

WHAT happens in Chicago and WHO is doing it?

[Dave22reborn]

Can confirm on the chittyness of that area. I live off Lawrence and Damen have to drive through uptown to get to Lake Shore Dr. on the way to work. Definitely ruins the north side.

To echo what fellow Chicago brahs have said for those unaware, the vast majority of these murders happen in areas of the South and West sides that any tourist/law abiding citizen would not find themselves in. Unless you get fuked by traffic and have to take alternate routes for work, I can't see how anyone would end up in Englewood, Washington Park, Auburn Gresham, Back of the Yards, etc. Obviously, some ppl naturally work there, but tourists would not end up there.

But, even the north/northwest side is seeing its fair share of crime. Aside from chithole Uptown, areas like Lakeview, Wrigleyville, Boystown, Avondale, Irving Park and the area around Loyola University have seen more chit happen recently.

It sucks because it's still an amazing city, but the **** areas make the news all the time.

[Dave22reborn]

Who said it wasn't ? it's a part of it. I understand why you wouldn't want to hire an ex con but to say that they will all re offend is pretty absurd.

I honestly don't know what you're trying to get at, it seems like you aren't interested in helping people and just want to make excuses as to why we shouldn't.

You're not helping anyone, people like you will never start your own business and hire ex-felons, but you have no problem dictating to others that they should.

[JD805]

You're not helping anyone, people like you will never start your own business and hire ex-felons, but you have no problem dictating to others that they should.

Sorry but you're projecting your feelings onto others. There are people who hire ex felons and plenty of business have done that just because you don't doesn't mean others won't. I also pity people like you, people like you don't want to see certain people succeed in life but that's ok some of us do.

[ToolTime2120]

It sucks because it's still an amazing city, but the **** areas make the news all the time.

It for sure is, the Loop and most of the North Side is amazing. So beautiful in the summer. For people who are brainwashed by the news, it would seem like Grant Park is getting shot up. It is such a big city that the warzone areas are multiple miles away