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    imagine how pissed off vince young is to be seeing lamar jackson having so much success running the ball lmfao
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    This stupid argument again, just lmfao at your low IQ point. Are we going to stop being morons for 5 sec and realize that Lamar will get better as a passer.. we think this because HES GOTTEN BETTER AS A PASSER EVERY YEAR SINCE COLLEGE. The difference is he is already better than any version of Mike Vick in Atlanta and he's only 21-22. Hes a baby and dominating against the #1 defense in the league. Just dropped 37 on your teams head
    You point out my low IQ, but your response would suggest you're the one with a low IQ.

    I never mentioned anything about Jackson not improving as a passer and I sure as chit didn't say he was better than Vick, which at this point in time he's definitely not. Maybe he will be in a few years, but not now.

    Even the fact that you mention he will get better as a passer would suggest you agree he isn't a great passing QB right now. If you watched last night's game, you'd have seen an offense that was essentially being run like a college offense that was protecting their QB from having to pass the ball.

    Again, props to the Ravens for doing what they had to to win. Like I mentioned before, they have built a system around Jackson and at this point in time, it's a run first offense because the Ravens know Jackson isn't ready to win games with his arm. I'm sure as Jackson develops as a passer their offensive identity might change but right now the Ravens are playing to Jackson's strengths and that's him running the ball.
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    Originally Posted by HoustonMiscer View Post
    imagine how pissed off vince young is to be seeing lamar jackson having so much success running the ball lmfao
    Not sure if srs. Lamar Jackson is 100000000000 times faster than Vince young
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    You point out my low IQ, but your response would suggest you're the one with a low IQ.

    I never mentioned anything about Jackson not improving as a passer and I sure as chit didn't say he was better than Vick, which at this point in time he's definitely not. Maybe he will be in a few years, but not now.

    Even the fact that you mention he will get better as a passer would suggest you agree he isn't a great passing QB right now. If you watched last night's game, you'd have seen an offense that was essentially being run like a college offense that was protecting their QB from having to pass the ball.

    Again, props to the Ravens for doing what they had to to win. Like I mentioned before, they have built a system around Jackson and at this point in time, it's a run first offense because the Ravens know Jackson isn't ready to win games with his arm. I'm sure as Jackson develops as a passer their offensive identity might change but right now the Ravens are playing to Jackson's strengths and that's him running the ball.
    What are you even arguing then... the Ravens are the most dangerous offense in the league, Lamar has gotten better every week throwing the football and he's only played something like 16 games. I'm confused AF what you are even arguing. I'm saying Lamar is here to stay and those Pats are in for a rude awakening, gonna be a repeat of this in the playoffs cause Lamar is only getting better. Pats are lucky this wasnt a blowout, besides 2 gifted fumbles that put you guys back in the game you STILL for ran all over

    No chit Sherlock the Ravens use the most athletic QB of this generation and let him do what he does best rather than drop back for 50 attempts a game.. he's better along than Vick was EVER in Atlanta.. even Vick has came out and said the same
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    ^^ RG3 was the most athletic QB of the generation. He was ruined.

    Actually its funny that he's on the Raven's roster. They have pretty much committed to the mobile QB with now real WR to be found. Marquise Brown? Fukin LOL.
    Ingram could be better but he loses 100 yd/game to LJ.
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    Originally Posted by cncman View Post
    ^^ RG3 was the most athletic QB of the generation. He was ruined.

    Actually its funny that he's on the Raven's roster. They have pretty much committed to the mobile QB with now real WR to be found. Marquise Brown? Fukin LOL.
    Ingram could be better but he loses 100 yd/game to LJ.
    RG3 is not more athletic than Lamar just lmfao if you honestly think that. Lamar is MUCH stronger and a more fluid runner and has something RG3 NEVER had, which is the ability to not take big shots.
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    What are you even arguing then...
    That's why it's funny you mention my IQ yet continue to comment and don't even know what you're talking about.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post

    I never mentioned anything about Jackson not improving as a passer and I sure as chit didn't say he was better than Vick, which at this point in time he's definitely not. Maybe he will be in a few years, but not now.
    you fukin kidding me, people either remembering Madden or something cause Jackson is just about as good as vick ever was right now. Stats aint everything n*igga
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    you fukin kidding me, people either remembering Madden or something cause Jackson is just about as good as vick ever was right now. Stats aint everything n*igga
    The ****. Jackson is no where close to Vick. Vick would dominate in this cupcake era. When Vick played you can actually play defense and defenses was aiming for his head. GTFO Vick had some of the best arm talent I’ve ever seen and ran a 4.2
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    Originally Posted by AWSbruh View Post
    The ****. Jackson is no where close to Vick. Vick would dominate in this cupcake era. When Vick played you can actually play defense and defenses was aiming for his head. GTFO Vick had some of the best arm talent I’ve ever seen and ran a 4.2
    The era is irrelevant because you cant prove that at all. On pure talent,yes Vick should have been better but he never really put it together and consistently won like Jackson is proving he can do so far in barely a year as starter
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    The era is irrelevant because you cant prove that at all. On pure talent,yes Vick should have been better but he never really put it together and consistently won like Jackson is proving he can do so far in barely a year as starter
    This. Alot of it boils down to wanting to get better. Vick has mentioned he relied almost exclusively on raw ability and never took that next step in the mental game until Andy Reid and after his jail stint.. He's admitted that himself. Lamar is improving drastically already
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    Still looks like an RB to me. He will be exposed soon
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    Originally Posted by BigBallsMcgee View Post
    you fukin kidding me, people either remembering Madden or something cause Jackson is just about as good as vick ever was right now. Stats aint everything n*igga
    Let’s not get crazy. Vick was a mentality away from being one of the GOATs
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    Originally Posted by drvillain View Post
    Let’s not get crazy. Vick was a mentality away from being one of the GOATs
    That's what always separates the "Good" from the "Great".. you can say the same thing about SOO many other what-if players
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    Originally Posted by AWSbruh View Post
    The ****. Jackson is no where close to Vick
    How many times did Vick run for over 1k yards? Barely once. Lamar gonna shatter that in his first full season. Obviously Vick had the bigger arm. Obviously Vick would do better these days but "nowhere close"? LMAO. Lamar is out there sustaining drives, getting first downs at will, pretty much taking total control of games. Take him off the Ravens, and they are nothing.
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    Originally Posted by Humungus View Post
    How many times did Vick run for over 1k yards? Barely once. Lamar gonna shatter that in his first full season. Obviously Vick had the bigger arm. Obviously Vick would do better these days but "nowhere close"? LMAO. Lamar is out there sustaining drives, getting first downs at will, pretty much taking total control of games. Take him off the Ravens, and they are nothing.
    What does running over 1,000 yards in a season prove as an NFL QB? That you're just a RB playing QB?

    And your argument of "take him off the Ravens, and they are nothing" is a stupid argument to try and make. The Ravens have built their offense around Jackson and his style of play. Of course if you take him out and put in anyone other than a QB his style it won't work.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    What does running over 1,000 yards in a season prove as an NFL QB?
    I was responding to the comment that Lamar was nowhere close to Vick. First full season and Lamar will run for more yards than Vick did in any of his 13 seasons, finish with a better TD-INT ratio than all but probably one and better record than all but maybe 1 out of 13 Vick seasons.
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    Originally Posted by Humungus View Post
    I was responding to the comment that Lamar was nowhere close to Vick. First full season and Lamar will run for more yards than Vick did in any of his 13 seasons, finish with a better TD-INT ratio than all but probably one and better record than all but maybe 1 out of 13 Vick seasons.
    But you used the 1,000 rushing yards in one season as a measure of how Jackson is better than Vick. So my questions still stands how rushing for over 1,000 yards makes Jackson better than Vick and what rushing for 1,000 yards in a season proves as an NFL QB?

    Just because Jackson will beat Vick's rushing numbers in a season, doesn't make him a better QB.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    But you used the 1,000 rushing yards in one season as a measure of how Jackson is better than Vick.
    Again, dude said Lamar is "nowhere close" to Vick. The stats and win-loss just don't reflect that. Would you agree or disagree that Lamar is "nowhere close" to Vick?
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    For a running qb lamar is pretty good at avoiding hits. He always changes his position at the last second, does a pretty good job. Now it's still scary cuz even a small hit has the potential to cause injury. But if he can improve his game and stay injury free, he has a bright future! Dude is fun as heck to watch
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    Again, dude said Lamar is "nowhere close" to Vick. The stats and win-loss just don't reflect that. Would you agree or disagree that Lamar is "nowhere close" to Vick?
    Don't confuse what I was discussing with what the other guy was discussing. I never commented on whether or not Jackson is "nowhere close" to Vick. I was commenting on how rushing for 1,000 yards in a season as a QB makes you better than another QB, particularly Vick. You even said it yourself, at this point in time Vick had the better arm and while you didn't say it, we all can agree that Vick was a big problem when he started to scramble.
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    Originally Posted by Humungus View Post
    Again, dude said Lamar is "nowhere close" to Vick. The stats and win-loss just don't reflect that. Would you agree or disagree that Lamar is "nowhere close" to Vick?
    Bro every every Qb stats is better in this era because you can’t play defense now you can’t compare what Lamar Jackson today with what Vick had to do because Vick was going against 1000000 times better defense
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    Originally Posted by Lightbub View Post
    For a running qb lamar is pretty good at avoiding hits. He always changes his position at the last second, does a pretty good job. Now it's still scary cuz even a small hit has the potential to cause injury. But if he can improve his game and stay injury free, he has a bright future! Dude is fun as heck to watch
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    Originally Posted by AWSbruh View Post
    Bro every every Qb stats is better in this era because you can’t play defense now you can’t compare what Lamar Jackson today with what Vick had to do because Vick was going against 1000000 times better defense
    Not quite. Spread offense is the new rage LIKE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. and no Vick was not going against 100000 x better defense. His accuracy was always the big question mark, and he was always looking to run. He had a great arm strength, and amazing legs.... and that was it.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    Don't confuse what I was discussing with what the other guy was discussing. I never commented on whether or not Jackson is "nowhere close" to Vick. I was commenting on how rushing for 1,000 yards in a season as a QB makes you better than another QB, particularly Vick. You even said it yourself, at this point in time Vick had the better arm and while you didn't say it, we all can agree that Vick was a big problem when he started to scramble.
    The problem was that Vick was not able to SUSTAIN drives. Lamar and the Ravens bleed the F*ck out of the clock and converting on 3rd down at an extremely high clip (they are 5th in the NFL)
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    The problem was that Vick was not able to SUSTAIN drives. Lamar and the Ravens bleed the F*ck out of the clock and converting on 3rd down at an extremely high clip (they are 5th in the NFL)
    How about everyone holds off on comparing Vick to a kid that has less than 1 season of play under his belt. We've seen plenty of young QBs play well for a bit and then eventually die out of the NFL. Not saying Lamar and the Ravens aren't built to have lasting success, just saying this is a pointless discussion after so few games.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    How about everyone holds off on comparing Vick to a kid that has less than 1 season of play under his belt. We've seen plenty of young QBs play well for a bit and then eventually die out of the NFL. Not saying Lamar and the Ravens aren't built to have lasting success, just saying this is a pointless discussion after so few games.
    He's played essentially a full season and they've dominated offensively with the best concept you can have as an offense come playoff time. Run the ball, control the clock, and convert on 3rd down. They are literally Tailor-made for success.

    Vick was great, but he was alot of flash and not alot of substance. Lamar already does the little things required to win games
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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    He's played essentially a full season and they've dominated offensively with the best concept you can have as an offense come playoff time. Run the ball, control the clock, and convert on 3rd down. They are literally Tailor-made for success.

    Vick was great, but he was alot of flash and not alot of substance. Lamar already does the little things required to win games
    So "essentially played a full season" means you can compare him to Vick and say he's better. Gotcha.

    It appears your team bias makes it harder for you to see clearly and make rational assessments of players. Good luck this season. The Ravens have a lot of good going for them.
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    Well another week... another perfect passer rating for Lamar. 4TDs today in 3 quarters

    15/17.. 223 yards.. 3TDs

    7 carries.. 65 yards.. 1 highlight reel TD

    Sheesh!!

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    Originally Posted by Jaydawg08 View Post
    Well another week... another perfect passer rating for Lamar. 4TDs today in 3 quarters

    15/17.. 223 yards.. 3TDs

    7 carries.. 65 yards.. 1 highlight reel TD

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