Any excuses left as to why Brady isn't the GOAT?

[TMaC828]

No, he's the GOAT.

But if you put Brees in Brady's shoes... he'd have as many if not more championships.

Also... previous posts forgot spygate.

[iamgenus]

No, he's the GOAT.

But if you put Brees in Brady's shoes... he'd have as many if not more championships.

Also... previous posts forgot spygate.

How do you figure? Brady's worst INT season is 14. Drew Brees has thrown for less than that 5 seasons out of the 15 he's had as a starter.

Part of what makes Brady great is that he doesn't turn the ball over much. The assumption that Brees would automatically be better on the Pats is simply hypothetical and the bigger question would be how Brees would do without Sean Payton.

[TMaC828]

How do you figure? Brady's worst INT season is 14. Drew Brees has thrown for less than that 5 seasons out of the 15 he's had as a starter.

Part of what makes Brady great is that he doesn't turn the ball over much. The assumption that Brees would automatically be better on the Pats is simply hypothetical and the bigger question would be how Brees would do without Sean Payton.

It's actually pretty simple.

Insert Brees in Belichick's system out of college... and he's the "Tom Brady"... get it now? Matt Castle went like 11-5 while Brady was hurt. I don't recall Brees ever having Randy Moss to throw to, or an elite defense...

[beer n brats]

It's actually pretty simple.

Insert any decent QBin Belichick's system out of college... and he's the "Tom Brady"... get it now? Matt Castle went like 11-5 while Brady was hurt. I don't recall Brees ever having Randy Moss to throw to, or an elite defense...

fixed it for you. also, genus what does Brady's load taste like?

[TAWS6]

you can start by realizing the patriots were doing completely fine in his absence. system of pieace.

Lets be reality,

They beat the Cards because of a missed field goal, the dolphins (lol), the Texans (LOL) and then got blown out by the Bills AT HOME (just lol). Obviously they can beat scrub beats without him. If he gets injured the Steelers or Ravens take the AFC.

[TMaC828]

fixed it for you. also, genus what does Brady's load taste like?

Take your room temperature IQ elsewhere.

I have no dog in the fight... I'm not a Brady fan, nor am I a Brees fan. But when you compare the two quantifiably... Brees is the superior QB. He turns over the ball slightly more, that's about it. He's never had a Randy Moss to throw to. And Brady had ELITE defenses in almost every super bowl victory... the Saints have had some of the worst defenses in the NFL for quite some time.

[iamgenus]

It's actually pretty simple.

Insert Brees in Belichick's system out of college... and he's the "Tom Brady"... get it now? Matt Castle went like 11-5 while Brady was hurt. I don't recall Brees ever having Randy Moss to throw to, or an elite defense...

No Randy Moss but you may want to check his one SB win. That defense was just as good if not better than anything Brady had.

And Belichick's system as far as offense goes isn't anything revolutionary. Sean Payton is certainly not weak as an offensive mastermind himself.

The whole "it's a system thing" is stupid as fuk. System has nothing to do with Brady's desire to win, his training, his ability to read the field, his pocket presence, etc...

Brees has been in a great situation with Payton and the fact that he played in warm weather/domes most of his career also doesn't hurt. We've all seen his struggles on the road. Don't forget switching teams he's also playing in a much tougher division as far as defenses go and he's not playing in a nice warm dome.

[iamgenus]

fixed it for you. also, genus what does Brady's load taste like?

I noticed you didn't respond to my post when facts were presented for you.

I love how you *******s can't actually respond with logic or reasoning and resort to the "how does his load/ass/dick, etc taste"

I'm sure it tastes magical but unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure.

Now if you want to talk football then let's hear it. Otherwise fuk off.

[TMaC828]

No Randy Moss but you may want to check his one SB win. That defense was just as good if not better than anything Brady had.

And Belichick's system as far as offense goes isn't anything revolutionary. Sean Payton is certainly not weak as an offensive mastermind himself.

The whole "it's a system thing" is stupid as fuk. System has nothing to do with Brady's desire to win, his training, his ability to read the field, his pocket presence, etc...

Brees has been in a great situation with Payton and the fact that he played in warm weather/domes most of his career also doesn't hurt. We've all seen his struggles on the road. Don't forget switching teams he's also playing in a much tougher division as far as defenses go and he's not playing in a nice warm dome.

True delusion.

I watched the Bears beat the Saints in the 06 NFC Championship with Rex Grossman because their D was that atrocious.

Note the Pats defensive ranks.

Case closed.

[iamgenus]

True delusion.

I watched the Bears beat the Saints in the 06 NFC Championship with Rex Grossman because their D was that atrocious.

Note the Pats defensive ranks.

Case closed.

What exactly are you posting?

The Saints defense their SB season was a huge reason they won. They weren't your historical defenses but they were getting a ton of turnovers and big plays. 26 picks, 15 forced fumbles, 7 defensive TDs...those are huge plays.

As for Brady's defenses they've been massively overrated for years now. That 2007 defense was great on paper but I don't know how anyone actually watching them play felt comfortable with them on the field. Wasn't a huge shocker to see them let Eli march down the field to take the lead.

Pats in 2007 had 19 picks, 15 FF, 6 defensive TDs
Pats in 2006 had 22 picks, 14 FF, 0 defensive TDs

Saints D was playing great in that playoff run too the Pats D not so much.

No matter how you want to slice it I hate the idea of "you swap these guys and blah blah will happen"

Drew Brees is a hell of a QB but the idea that you just throw him on the Pats and he plays better than Brady is far fetched to me and nothing but a hypothetical that cannot be proven.

[Tyler2106]

iamgenus owning kids in this thread. Will rep on recharge.

[beer n brats]

I noticed you didn't respond to my post when facts were presented for you.

I love how you *******s can't actually respond with logic or reasoning and resort to the "how does his load/ass/dick, etc taste"

I'm sure it tastes magical but unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure.

Now if you want to talk football then let's hear it. Otherwise fuk off.

thats because your posts regarding your lover are all cringeworthy trash. i didnt fukkin say manning was the GOAT just that he has his own case whether you agree with it or not. people are entitled to their opinions, not told by faceless internet fans who their options are. if i wanna say lynn swaan was better than jerry rice cuz 4>3 whos gonna stop me? also im not saying regular season is more important than playoffs, but it still accounts for something. convenient how you can disregard the regular season only when Brady is at a disadvantage. if its all about the playoffs and SBs then that means Montana > Brady and Bradshaw > Peyton. tell me why not? you talk sh*t about every great QB "stat padding" and "choking in the playoffs" as if that doesnt apply to brady. its all hes been doing the last 12 seasons. beefing up his regular stats and MVPs while sucking it up in the playoffs... you know, just like that "stat padder" Peyton

[Vhagar]

Hot dogs an beer is going to be in a lot of trouble when Fraudgers finds out he was gargling Manning's balls behind his back

[midcoastking33]

he's the best: there's really no argument now

[TMaC828]

What exactly are you posting?

The Saints defense their SB season was a huge reason they won. They weren't your historical defenses but they were getting a ton of turnovers and big plays. 26 picks, 15 forced fumbles, 7 defensive TDs...those are huge plays.

As for Brady's defenses they've been massively overrated for years now. That 2007 defense was great on paper but I don't know how anyone actually watching them play felt comfortable with them on the field. Wasn't a huge shocker to see them let Eli march down the field to take the lead.

Pats in 2007 had 19 picks, 15 FF, 6 defensive TDs
Pats in 2006 had 22 picks, 14 FF, 0 defensive TDs

Saints D was playing great in that playoff run too the Pats D not so much.

No matter how you want to slice it I hate the idea of "you swap these guys and blah blah will happen"

Drew Brees is a hell of a QB but the idea that you just throw him on the Pats and he plays better than Brady is far fetched to me and nothing but a hypothetical that cannot be proven.

Lmao... I post objective defensive rankings, proving you wrong. And you want to pick and chose statistics that contribute to that ranking that will convenience your argument. Their D is not a huge reason they won. Their #1 offense was. And as for "massively overrated"... the rankings say you're full of ****. Brady had multiple HoF'ers on offense and defense for nearly every super bowl victory. And a kicker who bailed them out numerous times. As for Eli's miraculous drive... we both know that was a fluke.

It's hypothetical? Gee, didn't know that, thanks. I thought we could like hop in a time machine. ****ing idiot. I am not denying Brady's greatness. He's the GOAT, but the system he's been in as contributed as much to his legacy as his individual talent and hard work. I don't think you plug in Matt Cassel on any of Brees's teams and they go 11-5.

[iamgenus]

thats because your posts regarding your lover are all cringeworthy trash. i didnt fukkin say manning was the GOAT just that he has his own case whether you agree with it or not. people are entitled to their opinions, not told by faceless internet fans who their options are. if i wanna say lynn swaan was better than jerry rice cuz 4>3 whos gonna stop me? also im not saying regular season is more important than playoffs, but it still accounts for something. convenient how you can disregard the regular season only when Brady is at a disadvantage. if its all about the playoffs and SBs then that means Montana > Brady and Bradshaw > Peyton. tell me why not? you talk sh*t about every great QB "stat padding" and "choking in the playoffs" as if that doesnt apply to brady. its all hes been doing the last 12 seasons. beefing up his regular stats and MVPs while sucking it up in the playoffs... you know, just like that "stat padder" Peyton

Strong paragraph with 0 substance.

And once again you go to the "your lover" BS.

I'm a football fan and I love this sport. I'm not sitting here making up chit against Tom Brady just because I want to keep Joe Montana as the #1 QB.

You're welcome to say Lynn Swann(may want to spell these names properly so you don't look even dumber) is better than Jerry Rice, nobody is going to stop you but you'll look just as stupid for doing so.

There are certain positions which can be argued about who the GOAT is. QB shouldn't have anyone in discussion outside of Brady and Montana.
As for me disregarding the regular season, don't think so. I never disregarded the regular season. You need to win in the regular season or you won't see the playoffs. However there needs to be some consistency for true greatness.

How is Manning's winning % drops like 20% points from regular season to the postseason? That was the big knock on him even back in college that he couldn't win the big games. He has done nothing in the NFL to dispel that theory.

So how exactly do you want to consider a guy whose play drops so much when it matters the most as GOAT? And the only thing that Manning has over Brady is stats. Stats which he should have an advantage in considering his offenses were tailor made for him as both the Colts and the Broncos went out of their way to get him sexy toys to play with and make sure he never had to play with scrubs. Kind of funny that the first time the Pats made it a point of getting some legit targets for Brady he turned from a game manager type QB to topping Peyton's passing records at the time no?

And it's not all about the playoffs.

Brady has won 78% of his regular season games. 71% of his playoff games. That's called consistency.

For comparisons Aaron Rodgers won 66% of his regular season games and 57% of his playoff games.
Joe Montana won 71% of his regular season games and 70% of his playoff games.
Drew Brees 67% and 65%

Then there's Manning. You have to admit there's something odd when a guy you don't have an issue being considered GOAT drops nearly 20% in terms of winning % when the playoffs start.

And it's hilarious how you conclude that gibberish paragraph saying Brady has been stat padding and then sucking in the playoffs when he's playing some of his best football right now at age 39 and won a SB two years ago and was a missed extra point away from possibly winning another one.

It's ok...I know it's tough there's only so many things left where you can try to bring Brady down for in order to hype up Aaron Rodgers. It's going to be ok though.

[iamgenus]

Lmao... I post objective defensive rankings, proving you wrong. And you want to pick and chose statistics that contribute to that ranking that will convenience your argument. Their D is not a huge reason they won. Their #1 offense was. And as for "massively overrated"... the rankings say you're full of ****. Brady had multiple HoF'ers on offense and defense for nearly every super bowl victory. And a kicker who bailed them out numerous times. As for Eli's miraculous drive... we both know that was a fluke.

It's hypothetical? Gee, didn't know that, thanks. I thought we could like hop in a time machine. ****ing idiot. I am not denying Brady's greatness. He's the GOAT, but the system he's been in as contributed as much to his legacy as his individual talent and hard work. I don't think you plug in Matt Cassel on any of Brees's teams and they go 11-5.

You obviously felt strong enough about it to make that statement. Matt Cassel lost 5 more games than Brady did with the same team. 11-5 may seem like a pretty nice record but a 5 game loss would take a 10-6 team to a 5-11 team. So let's not act like Cassel going 11-5 and missing the playoffs was super impressive.

That's also playing with Randy Moss, Wes Welker and the rest of the guys Brady had the season prior. He got sacked like twice as much with the same OL, put up like half the numbers if not less but you want to say Brady is just a system QB?

Yes the system helps Brady, just like every decent system including the one ran by Sean Payton helps a QB. This isn't a news flash. You're trying to act like any other QB can come in and play at the same level well I call BS. Will they look better? Sure...will they be better than Tom Brady? That's a major fuking stretch.

As for the numbers you posted my response was only to state the obvious...which is those numbers don't always tell the real story of how good the defenses were. For instance Brady's defenses were much better early in his career but they weren't always ranked as well as their actual play indicated.

[camaleom]

It's actually pretty simple.

Insert Brees in Belichick's system out of college... and he's the "Tom Brady"... get it now? Matt Castle went like 11-5 while Brady was hurt. I don't recall Brees ever having Randy Moss to throw to, or an elite defense...

really???

they did that against the bills at home and they lost that game pretty badly...

c'mon man do u football????

[TMaC828]

You obviously felt strong enough about it to make that statement. Matt Cassel lost 5 more games than Brady did with the same team. 11-5 may seem like a pretty nice record but a 5 game loss would take a 10-6 team to a 5-11 team. So let's not act like Cassel going 11-5 and missing the playoffs was super impressive.

That's also playing with Randy Moss, Wes Welker and the rest of the guys Brady had the season prior. He got sacked like twice as much with the same OL, put up like half the numbers if not less but you want to say Brady is just a system QB?

Yes the system helps Brady, just like every decent system including the one ran by Sean Payton helps a QB. This isn't a news flash. You're trying to act like any other QB can come in and play at the same level well I call BS. Will they look better? Sure...will they be better than Tom Brady? That's a major fuking stretch.

As for the numbers you posted my response was only to state the obvious...which is those numbers don't always tell the real story of how good the defenses were. For instance Brady's defenses were much better early in his career but they weren't always ranked as well as their actual play indicated.

POINT IS.

There isn't a huge difference in talent between Brady, Brees, and Peyton. Some have been more fortunate than others in terms of defenses and head coaches. The fact you fail to realize this shows just how far Brady has lodged his cock down your throat.

[Phobaphobia]

he's the best: there's really no argument now

This. It's common for the GOATs of every sport to have it's salty naysayers. TB12 has the complete resume. He's the best player of all time

[iamgenus]

POINT IS.

There isn't a huge difference in talent between Brady, Brees, and Peyton. Some have been more fortunate than others in terms of defenses and head coaches. The fact you fail to realize this shows just how far Brady has lodged his cock down your throat.

You came in here pretending like you didn't have a dog in this fight but the more you post says otherwise.

It isn't always about talent. There is a reason why a 6th round draft pick has had so much success in the NFL. All of those guys are great QBs who master their craft and bust their ass to get better it doesn't mean they're interchangeable though.

Brady has a proven track record of coming up big in big games. It's called intangibles and they're very important. See what I wrote about Manning earlier. His issues in big games have been a point of criticism since his college days.

As for Brees you're assuming that he does better than Brady why? Is it because Brady has had issues scoring points? Do you think Brees is better able to withstand the Giants pass rush in 07 and 11? Outside of saying Brees has never had a great defense what makes you say he'd have more rings than Brady?

Because we all know how great Drew Brees plays outside of his dome right? He had a top 5 defense in 2013 and got shut down by Seattle. He had a top 10 defense in 2010 as well...they lost to Seattle then as well and while that one wasn't his fault is just goes to show that those numbers don't mean chit and the assumption that Brees gets more rings with the Pats is BS.

[TMaC828]

You came in here pretending like you didn't have a dog in this fight but the more you post says otherwise.

It isn't always about talent. There is a reason why a 6th round draft pick has had so much success in the NFL. All of those guys are great QBs who master their craft and bust their ass to get better it doesn't mean they're interchangeable though.

Brady has a proven track record of coming up big in big games. It's called intangibles and they're very important. See what I wrote about Manning earlier. His issues in big games have been a point of criticism since his college days.

As for Brees you're assuming that he does better than Brady why? Is it because Brady has had issues scoring points? Do you think Brees is better able to withstand the Giants pass rush in 07 and 11? Outside of saying Brees has never had a great defense what makes you say he'd have more rings than Brady?

Because we all know how great Drew Brees plays outside of his dome right? He had a top 5 defense in 2013 and got shut down by Seattle. He had a top 10 defense in 2010 as well...they lost to Seattle then as well and while that one wasn't his fault is just goes to show that those numbers don't mean chit and the assumption that Brees gets more rings with the Pats is BS.

Because Brees is superior in just about every metric besides turnovers... with an inferior supporting cast/coach.

Why is this so hard to understand? Brady hasn't won a super-bowl without a top10 defense. And his last super bowl victory was an absolute fluke as Seattle outplayed them the entire game.

[iamgenus]

Because Brees is superior in just about every metric besides turnovers... with an inferior supporting cast/coach.

Why is this so hard to understand? Brady hasn't won a super-bowl without a top10 defense. And his last super bowl victory was an absolute fluke as Seattle outplayed them the entire game.

Absolute fluke? Why because Brady took it to them in the 4th quarter but still nearly lost the game due to a miracle catch by Kearse? Funny enough how you're in here trying to pretend Brady only wins with a good defense but calling that win a fluke because it needed a last second pick at the 1 yard line?

And turnovers are kind of a big deal, especially in the playoffs. How many times did the Saints go into the playoffs favored and how many times have they lost those games because they turned the ball over?

Also saying he has an inferior supporting cast/coach is BS. Yes Belichick is a much better coach than Payton but let's not pretend Brees is working with Mike Singletary here. Saints went 13-3 with Payton in 2011 - lost to the 49ers after they turned over the ball 5 times. The following season they went 7-9, missed the playoffs and were dead last in defense while Brees led the league in interceptions. Following year once Payton was back they went 11-5 and had a top 5 defense but lost to Seattle because Brees couldn't score more than 15 points there.

But apparently with Belichick and those patriots defense and Randy Moss for 3 seasons he'd be SB champ every year? Does he bring his dome with him?

Once again all hypotheticals.

Want to know some facts?

Fact - Drew Brees has never thrown for 4000 yards without Sean Payton's system.
Fact - Drew Brees has never thrown for over 27 TDs in a season without Sean Payton's system.
Fact - Drew Brees turns the ball over a lot more than Tom Brady
Fact - turnovers by offense make things a lot tougher for defenses
Fact - Drew Brees and Tom Brady both play better in domes
Fact - Drew Brees played 107 games in a dome in his career
Fact - Tom Brady played 12 games in a dome in his career

So you go ahead and think that putting Drew Brees on those pats teams automatically means he plays better and wins more than Brady. I'll agree to disagree with that assessment.

[Vhagar]

lol @ Brees being better than Brady in NE

Pats don't play in a dome. Brees would be mediocre as fuk

[TAWS6]

There is already a GOAT and his name is Peyton Williams Manning.

The same guy who makes his entire fan base cringe anytime the game is on the line?

Brb multiple pick 6's in the SB


Lol at least use the Montana argument if you are going against Brady.

[iamgenus]

Went to look up how many games Brady played in a dome. My mind was kind of blown since it was only 12 games.

Can only imagine what his numbers would look like if he had 107 like Brees or 92 like Manning. But we all know weather has no effect on how players perform...

[Sparta11]

There is already a GOAT and his name is Peyton Williams Manning.

Mannings a legend in his own, but Brady's accomplished more. Not a Brady fan myself, but if he's not the goat who is?

[Tyler2106]

Went to look up how many games Brady played in a dome. My mind was kind of blown since it was only 12 games.

Can only imagine what his numbers would look like if he had 107 like Brees or 92 like Manning. But we all know weather has no effect on how players perform...

You. Where have you been all my life? Quality af posts owning noobs. We need more posts like yours, so noobs like TMac stop posting.

[Vhagar]

Went to look up how many games Brady played in a dome. My mind was kind of blown since it was only 12 games.

Can only imagine what his numbers would look like if he had 107 like Brees or 92 like Manning. But we all know weather has no effect on how players perform...

Can you imagine the volume stats he'd have racked up with those kind of dome numbers?

Probably already have the TD and passing yards record

[AreolaBorealis]

genus what does Brady's load taste like?

tastes like avocado based ice cream. any other questions fukboy