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    Originally Posted by blue9steel View Post
    Even if you ate zero carbs that only leaves room for about 29g of fat at 1000 calories. Unless you weigh about 65lbs that's likely not enough. What am I missing?
    PSMF is not a long term sustainable diet. It is basically only getting enough protein to spare muscle tissue breakdown. Its a short term, rapid weight-loss method. Its not something you would want to (nor should need to) run for a long duration.
    A bigger back will make a bigger waist look a little smaller....

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    Originally Posted by MrNismo View Post
    I'm getting in 185g protein which I can only hope is enough but time will tell.


    Interesting. I'm definitely a fan of high fat diets from everything I've read and I just know I feel better when I eat that way. You aren't worried about the low protein though? I know it's not quite as important to get so much protein when you're getting in enough calories though.
    Tbh I havent averaged over 130g of protein since my first year of lifting. I lift mostly for strength so my requirements aren't going to be as high as someone going for mass.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    PSMF is not a long term sustainable diet. It is basically only getting enough protein to spare muscle tissue breakdown. Its a short term, rapid weight-loss method. Its not something you would want to (nor should need to) run for a long duration.
    Apparently my prior reading on the subject was incomplete. I was under the impression that the basic idea was to take in enough protein to avoid muscle tissue breakdown while still consuming enough fat to avoid rabbit starvation and enough carbs to avoid full ketosis. (not to mention the intestinal impact of having too little fiber) I last read about it at least ten years ago though, so it's been a while.
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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    PSMF is not a long term sustainable diet. It is basically only getting enough protein to spare muscle tissue breakdown. Its a short term, rapid weight-loss method. Its not something you would want to (nor should need to) run for a long duration.
    Exactly. Started Monday, will have one refeed tomorrow then continue on until next Sunday.

    I stopped doing singles last week anyway but my squat was 285 at that point so if I can't squat 285 within a few days of normal eating I'll know this was a bad idea

    Originally Posted by drudixon View Post
    Tbh I havent averaged over 130g of protein since my first year of lifting. I lift mostly for strength so my requirements aren't going to be as high as someone going for mass.
    Gotcha, thanks.
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    Originally Posted by blue9steel View Post
    Apparently my prior reading on the subject was incomplete. I was under the impression that the basic idea was to take in enough protein to avoid muscle tissue breakdown while still consuming enough fat to avoid rabbit starvation and enough carbs to avoid full ketosis. (not to mention the intestinal impact of having too little fiber) I last read about it at least ten years ago though, so it's been a while.
    There's been an ongoing argument about rabbit starvation in the big Misc PSMF thread. From what I've read, you start to run into problems when your body doesn't have enough fat to burn for essential purposes and you're not eating anything but protein. I'm still at least %15-17 bodyfat so doesn't seem like I'm in any danger in that area.

    I'm taking in extra sodium, magnesium (ZMA), quite a few vegetables and about 3/4 gallon of water (which is normal for me anyway). Other than sleeping more than normal it seems like I've adapted ok so far. Oh, and I'm getting in 22g fiber which is more than I normally eat anyway. It's amazing how good veggies are when you're hungry as hell!
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    Originally Posted by MrNismo View Post
    There's been an ongoing argument about rabbit starvation in the big Misc PSMF thread. From what I've read, you start to run into problems when your body doesn't have enough fat to burn for essential purposes and you're not eating anything but protein. I'm still at least %15-17 bodyfat so doesn't seem like I'm in any danger in that area.

    I'm taking in extra sodium, magnesium (ZMA), quite a few vegetables and about 3/4 gallon of water (which is normal for me anyway). Other than sleeping more than normal it seems like I've adapted ok so far. Oh, and I'm getting in 22g fiber which is more than I normally eat anyway. It's amazing how good veggies are when you're hungry as hell!
    Sounds like you've done your research. Sometimes you just have to try something for yourself and see how it goes. Looking forward to hearing about your final results.
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    I'm still plugging along at a pound a week. I chart my weight on a calendar. It looks like my weight is all over the place during the week, which it is based on the cyclical nature of how I'm dieting. So even though the week looks chaotic, I look up at the weeks before on the same day and I see on my SPIKE UP day (Tuesday) I'm still a pound less than the previous week. Looking at today (Friday) I was 209.2. Last Friday I was 210.8 and the previous Friday I was 211.8. I fast all day and drink prune juice and BCAA's until night time on Friday's...because its pizza night. Saturday's are my lowest weigh ins of the week, followed by Sunday.

    I'm happy because today marked the first time I've weighed in below 210 for two days in a row during the week. At this point I'm not watching my actual weight as much as I'm watching the highs and lows and tracking them against the previous weeks. So my high should be a pound or more lower each week, and my low should be a pound or more lower each week...and that's happening for the most part.
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    Today marked the 4th straight day I've weighed in below 209 and my 5th straight under 210. Looks like I've officially crossed that milestone (210 lbs).
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    Originally Posted by wesleysh21 View Post
    Today marked the 4th straight day I've weighed in below 209 and my 5th straight under 210. Looks like I've officially crossed that milestone (210 lbs).
    Congrats! Personally I find daily readings too volatile so I use a moving average. (10% smoothed EMA) I'm a math kind of guy so it works for me, but YMMV.
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    Originally Posted by wesleysh21 View Post
    Today marked the 4th straight day I've weighed in below 209 and my 5th straight under 210. Looks like I've officially crossed that milestone (210 lbs).
    Very nice man! What's your goal weight again? Are you aiming for under 200 or ?

    And what happened to OP? Hoover did you diet yourself down to nothing already!
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    Originally Posted by MrNismo View Post
    Very nice man! What's your goal weight again? Are you aiming for under 200 or ?
    I'm planning on going below 200 without a doubt. I'm going to go pretty low this time, I'm picturing 170-180 as my end weight.
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    Great job Wesley. And everybody else ITT of course.

    I'm hovering between 202-204 right now. Couple of weekend big meals got me this weekend but for the most part I've been fairly good. Dusted off mfp for a day or 2 and got a rough idea again of where I am last week. Should use it more or tracking in general I suppose but truly hate doing that. Did it a ton early on. If I get too stuck I'll become more consistent with it. Looking at a meet in September now so this probably won't last very long anyway. If I get between 190-195 I'll be happy this go around.
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    I woke up today at 206.6 lbs. So I now have a sound weekend strategy for avoiding the Tuesday spike.
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    Starting cutting in February @233lbs. Currently down to 216lbs on 2600cal diet. Considering upping the cals in a few weeks as I think I'm losing too much too quickly. Goal is to get down to 12% body fat. I may look terrible at that weight but I'm sick of carrying so much body fat around. Want to get to a level where I can bulk a few months and still look lean.

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    Goal 202lbs @ whatever body fat that has me at Then I'll go from there.

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    Nice work everyone. I weighed in at 192.6 this morning. I am dropping real fast right now on sub 2000 cals/day. I will bring my calories up a bit when I get leaner but still have some good blubber to keep me alive
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