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    do you try to convince people low carb isn't the only way??

    just curious - got into a debate with two people at work about losing weight and they just kept stressing that low carb is the way to go and they kept saying not all calories are created equal. do you ever try to convince them otherwise (meaning it's more about calories in vs. calories out) or do you just let them believe whatever they want to believe? i got pretty frustrated especially since they aren't in shape.
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    Originally Posted by fitfanatic123 View Post
    just curious - got into a debate with two people at work about losing weight and they just kept stressing that low carb is the way to go and they kept saying not all calories are created equal. do you ever try to convince them otherwise (meaning it's more about calories in vs. calories out) or do you just let them believe whatever they want to believe? i got pretty frustrated especially since they aren't in shape.
    I hear it all the time, too.

    I usually turn to science: I explain the process of de novo lipogenesis and how carbs, proteins, and fats are stored in different ways but that ultimately calories are the main factor. Some people, though, just believe whatever they want.
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    Originally Posted by fitfanatic123 View Post
    just curious - got into a debate with two people at work about losing weight and they just kept stressing that low carb is the way to go and they kept saying not all calories are created equal. do you ever try to convince them otherwise (meaning it's more about calories in vs. calories out) or do you just let them believe whatever they want to believe? i got pretty frustrated especially since they aren't in shape.
    I usually just let them believe what they want since they won't change their mind anyways.
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    Depends on the person. Truly stupid person, i just shut up. A semi intelligent person who is getting dooped, try by damndest by citing science
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    I'm a doctor and when I try to explain this to people (not patients in a clinical setting but colleagues in health care) it can be hard for me to convince them, and I'm surrounded by people with decent intelligence who in theory should trust me that I know what I'm talking about. But this occurs with lots of fields. Try convincing someone evolution is real (we have tons of fossil evidence and tons of genetics evidence that point to the same conclusion while being two completely independent methods) who was raised not to believe it. When people are fed an idea over and over it's hard to get rid of it.
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    I don't try to convince people at work of anything that isn't work related. Maintains a healthy, professional work environment.
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    I went on a low carb diet (61 year old female) about a year and a half ago. I lost about 60 pounds (40 pounds in 4 months, 20 more pounds in the rest of the year). I now eat (or try) only real food (wheat, corn, soy and sugar are NOT real food to me, they are mostly GMO) even if it has higher carbs, like potatoes, beans, fruit, etc. I have been eating this way for about 6 months now and have not gained or lost weight. I am happy at the weight I am now, and as long as I do not put the pounds back on, I will continue to eat all the "real" food I like.
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    I'll just say something along the lines of cals in vs cals out. People will always believe what they hear mostly anyway, and that's usually the low carb bs.
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    Originally Posted by JacobVR View Post
    (wheat, corn, soy and sugar are NOT real food to me, they are mostly GMO)
    this is off topic - and I am also against GMO - but you need to get some facts straight regarding GMO. it IS real food. it IS NOT a frankenstein. the predominant modification is to resistant pesticides. whether you choose to eat it or not, of course your choice but it is not some 'other' classification of food
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    If your goal is to lose weight, then yes, I would agree that as long as you follow caloric guidelines, then you'll probably be successful at losing weight. But if you have additional goals, such as athletic performance, then I'd say not all calories are created equal.
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    Originally Posted by fitfanatic123 View Post
    just curious - got into a debate with two people at work about losing weight and they just kept stressing that low carb is the way to go and they kept saying not all calories are created equal. do you ever try to convince them otherwise (meaning it's more about calories in vs. calories out) or do you just let them believe whatever they want to believe? i got pretty frustrated especially since they aren't in shape.
    well are they saying that caloric intake doesnt matter? and of course technically not all calories are "equal" Some foods have a higher thermic effect through the process of digestion, certain medium chain fats and absorbed quite differently than other fats, the food choice will impact digestion and gut health etc. These are all very minor caloric deficit is what matters most but maybe they were just stating they prefer to achieve fat loss through a lower carb approach? Many of us prefer it because its easy to eat intuitively and feel more stable energy levels.
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    Stock reply to bs like that

    "That's an interesting point of view. The research/science suggests that [insert science/research], but if you're getting positive results from what you're doing, then by all means keep it up."

    Then 360 your way out of that convo before they begin the anecdotal evidence refutations or start quoting homeopathic remedies or something
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    i got pretty frustrated especially since they aren't in shape.
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    Tell them the facts:

    It's all individual.. some people can THRIVE on low carb while others may not.. it all boils down to LIFESTYLE.
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    Originally Posted by fitfanatic123 View Post
    just curious - got into a debate with two people at work about losing weight and they just kept stressing that low carb is the way to go and they kept saying not all calories are created equal. do you ever try to convince them otherwise (meaning it's more about calories in vs. calories out) or do you just let them believe whatever they want to believe? i got pretty frustrated especially since they aren't in shape.
    Depends... are the open to science? If so I give them this link: http://www.thenutritionwonk.com/#!Is...f26b6d6848a8f8

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    I always say it depends on the person everyone has their preferences, one diet is not meant for another person.
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    Originally Posted by fitfanatic123 View Post
    just curious - got into a debate with two people at work about losing weight and they just kept stressing that low carb is the way to go and they kept saying not all calories are created equal. do you ever try to convince them otherwise (meaning it's more about calories in vs. calories out) or do you just let them believe whatever they want to believe? i got pretty frustrated especially since they aren't in shape.
    No. I encourage them. If they are willing to try it i wouldn't want to discourage them or make it more complicated. Of course it isn't the ONLY way but for the average person who isn't extremely active its the most practical strategy IMO. Most people are not going to start counting calories. Low(er) carb diets tend to be inherently calorie restricting. Notice how all the processed junk food, donuts/cookies in the break room, that extra slice of bread at dinner, the candy dish at the office, etc all tend to be high in carbohydrates. Yes. calories is whats important at the end of the day. That just isn't very helpful for someone who is twice as hungry after eating a donut than before.
    we have not spent the last 65 million or so years finely honing our physiology to watch Oprah. Like it or not, we are the product of a very long process of adaptation to a harsh physical existence, and the past couple centuries of comparative ease and plenty are not enough time to change our genome. We humans are at our best when our existence mirrors, or at least simulates, the one we are still genetically adapted to live. And that is the purpose of exercise. - Mark Rippetoe
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    Low carb works for me when dieting down but there is a serious cult-like following for keto and ultra low carb diets, which isn't helped by the amount of websites that spout the kind of BS that people want to hear ("eat as much fat as you can until you're full, you'll never gain weight and calories don't matter"). In other words I try to avoid those conversations, just smile and nod, let them do whatever works for them.
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    It depends what their goals are. Calories in vs calories out and your minimums is all that you need to know for a cut unless you are attempting to get extremely lean for something such as a show or photoshoot. That's when things like low carbs and carb cycling really help to get to that extremely shredded level.
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    If your goal is to lose weight, then yes, I would agree that as long as you follow caloric guidelines, then you'll probably be successful at losing weight. But if you have additional goals, such as athletic performance, then I'd say not all calories are created equal.
    This is actually true. Doesn't apply to the vast majority of people, though. When I still played ball I didn't eat junk if I was training later that day, or at some point within the next 24 hours. It does make a difference in performance, but now it doesn't serve me any real purpose, so ice cream erryday.
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    It depends what their goals are. Calories in vs calories out and your minimums is all that you need to know for a cut unless you are attempting to get extremely lean for something such as a show or photoshoot. That's when things like low carbs and carb cycling really help to get to that extremely shredded level.
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