Is a back routine considered incomplete without incorporating a pullover movement?

[redmchalo]

My gym has the nautilus super pullover machine, which I have never used. People like Dorian Yates and others credited either this machine or a similar pullover machine or exercise which helped them with their tremendous lat development. Can I get good lat development just with vertical pulls (pull ups, pulldowns) and horizontal pulls (rows, deadlifts), or do I also need to include a pullover exercise, like the nautilus super pullover machine to get complete lat development?

[magician27]

yes. pullover is not a very common exercise

[mgalovic530]

I guess you don't have to, but I don't see why you wouldn't. It's a great machine. I find it enjoyable too. I mean I know it's yet another exercise to add to back day, but one that's well worth it. You could even replace sets of different variations of pull- ups with sets on the pull- over machine.

[ironwill2008]

My gym has the nautilus super pullover machine, which I have never used. People like Dorian Yates and others credited either this machine or a similar pullover machine or exercise which helped them with their tremendous lat development. Can I get good lat development just with vertical pulls (pull ups, pulldowns) and horizontal pulls (rows, deadlifts), or do I also need to include a pullover exercise, like the nautilus super pullover machine to get complete lat development?

If you have access to that particular Pullover machine, by all means, in addition to your current back workout, add 2-3 sets. IMO, it's the only "pullover" move that's worth using, far superior even to any free weight Pullover.

[Garage Rat]

The pullover machine eliminates arms/biceps,forearms from a lat movement.
You are pushing down with the upper arm and contracting the lats.
A whole different feeling that with arms involved.
I have used a nautilus pullover in the past and really liked it.
I would put it in my back workout if i had access to one.

[blue9steel]

I don't think pullovers are an absolute requirement, but if you have room in your training program I think they're a good idea.

[MyEgoProblem]

I'm jealous you have access to that. I would totally have it in my rotation!

Currently i warm my back up with locked arm rope pull-downs (2 ropes for the longer rom) and a good stretch at the top. I have no mmc or feel for a db version...

Not sure they are even close to "necessary" per say tho.

[Fran1211]

I'd throw in a couple of sets of that, it won't hurt you

[MercuryX]

I'm jealous you have access to that. I would totally have it in my rotation!

Currently i warm my back up with locked arm rope pull-downs (2 ropes for the longer rom) and a good stretch at the top. I have no mmc or feel for a db version...

Not sure they are even close to "necessary" per say tho.

Same, my gym doesn't have the machine either. For us that don't have access to this machine, is there an alternate exercise we can do?

[sm1ke]

If you have a cable machine with the rope attachment, you can do straight arm lat pulldowns, as mentioned by MyEgoProblem. They won't isolate as well as the machine, so you may have to use a lighter weight to ensure you're not using your arms.

[OutdoorsinCO]

I use it at my gym, and love it. Definitely feel the pull and you know if you're doing it wrong quickly.

Interesting thing is hardly anyone ever uses it. To be honest, I've never seen anyone but my son and I use it.

[10incher]

My gym has the nautilus super pullover machine, which I have never used. People like Dorian Yates and others credited either this machine or a similar pullover machine or exercise which helped them with their tremendous lat development. Can I get good lat development just with vertical pulls (pull ups, pulldowns) and horizontal pulls (rows, deadlifts), or do I also need to include a pullover exercise, like the nautilus super pullover machine to get complete lat development?

No you don't have to add an exercise like pullover to get wide and thick back which is big at the same time. Pullovers is actually 1 of the worst exercises to build back.