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    Originally Posted by FAH_Q View Post
    Strong knowledge of Falcons roster. Which WR is going to beat someone deep besides Julio who was being double and triple teamed. We don't have any deep threats outside of Julio, unless you want to include Aldrick Robinson who is like the 4th/5th WR.

    I've already posted that i believe you DO have to take into consideration the chitty opponents, but just lol @ the argument about passes going 20 yards downfield when your main deep threat is doubled all game. The Saints know our offense and know they need to take away Julio. Thats partly why they got raped on the ground and with screens. That and because their horrible.
    Chill man. And lol at you for thinking in order for a QB to throw deep he needs a Julio Jones.

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    Originally Posted by captaincuck View Post
    Chill man. And lol at you for thinking in order for a QB to throw deep he needs a Julio Jones. If Matt Ryan has a weakness it's his deep ball accuracy, just stating the facts.
    huh?

    If matt Ryan has a weakness it's reading receivers under pressure and red zone efficiency

    His Deep ball is actually good-decent.

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    Originally Posted by HughBMyron View Post
    huh?

    If matt Ryan has a weakness it's reading receivers under pressure and red zone efficiency

    His Deep ball is actually good-decent.

    i filmed this on my blackberry

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    Originally Posted by JmanTheJuiceman View Post
    What you got for Sleeves:

    2017 first
    2018 4th (could be 3rd or even 2nd if Vikings win SB)


    What you gave up for Wentz:

    2016 1st #8
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    2016 4th #100
    2017 1st
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    Looks like your team just wasted roughly 1st, 3rd, and 4th round draft picks from this year on a downgrade at QB. Like I said:

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    Originally Posted by captaincuck View Post
    Chill man. And lol at you for thinking in order for a QB to throw deep he needs a Julio Jones.

    http://www.espn.com/blog/atlanta-fal...or-2016-season

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    Who isn't chill?

    And lol @ thinking i said you have to have Julio to throw deep. I said Julio is our only deep threat. Sorry but Sanu isn't much of a deep threat. You take what the defense gives you. Brees dinked and dunked all night long. Sometimes thats what you do.
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    Originally Posted by mikeoc322 View Post
    LOL @ this dweeb trying to quantify a 23 y/o franchise QB by a couple of measly picks.





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    Originally Posted by FAH_Q View Post
    Who isn't chill?

    And lol @ thinking i said you have to have Julio to throw deep. I said Julio is our only deep threat. Sorry but Sanu isn't much of a deep threat. You take what the defense gives you. Brees dinked and dunked all night long. Sometimes thats what you do.
    Brees dinked and dunked all night long? Did you watch the game??


    Try this. Go to NFL.com watch "Drew Brees highlights" and "Matt Ryan highlights"
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    Originally Posted by captaincuck View Post
    Brees dinked and dunked all night long? Did you watch the game??


    Try this. Go to NFL.com watch "Drew Brees highlights" and "Matt Ryan highlights"
    Did you watch the game??

    Brees yards per pass = 6.4
    Ryan yards per pass = 7.0

    Try this. Go to google.com and type in "Falcons vs Saints 2016"

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    Originally Posted by FAH_Q View Post
    Did you watch the game??

    Brees yards per pass = 6.4
    Ryan yards per pass = 7.0

    Try this. Go to google.com and type in "Falcons vs Saints 2016"

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    54 attempts to 30. Brees was playing catchup all day. If you measured the number of yards each pass went in the air it wouldn't be close. This is a stupid argument but you're way off here. Here are the facts to settle this along with the link to the visual proof.

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-atl-no-grades/




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    I'll take Stafford over EVERY QB in the NFL right now

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    I'll take Stafford over EVERY QB in the NFL right now

    Since JBC took over as OC last season he's been absolutely incredible
    You would seriously take him over a PRIME Sam Bradford?
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    You would seriously take him over a PRIME Sam Bradford?
    Stafford hasn't even hit his prime yet

    He will be a top QB in the NFL for the next 10 years! Bradford may not last 10 more games. Shaun Hill and Bradford are pretty much interchangeable
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    Originally Posted by captaincuck View Post
    54 attempts to 30. Jesus you might be retarded. They played completely different games. Brees was playing catchup all day. If you measured the number of yards each pass went in the air it wouldn't be close. This is a stupid argument but you're way off here


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    I said Brees dinked and dunked all game. And you questioned it. And asked did i even watch the game. Then i proved how Brees YPA was lower than Ryans. And now you are trying to bring how many yards per pass it went in the air. Lol I've already watched the game twice.

    The whole debate started on you talking about how Ryan didn't throw deep. If you watched the game and knew anything about the Falcons roster/offense then you would understand that. Just stop digging yourself a hole.
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    Has Atlanta even played an NFL team yet?
    Next 3 games are Carolina, Seattle, and Denver. THEN we will see how Ryan holds up against some top tier defenses.
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    Lol if you throw the ball more you will have lower ypa and ypc (strong understanding of statistics). I gave you a link to the FACTS on Matt Ryans and Drew Brees attempts DOWN THE FIELD. You either can't accept that you're wrong or your brain can't wrap itself around some very simple concepts. I'll copypasta since you clearly aren't capable of navigating a simple hyperlink.

    Quarterback grade: Matt Ryan, 65.8

    It wasn’t a bad performance from Matt Ryan in the win over the Saints, but he just didn’t have that much of an impact overall, which may seem odd for a quarterback that threw for nearly 250 yards and two touchdowns. One TD, however, came on a screen pass, while the other came on a shovel pass near the goal line. Of his 249 passing yards, 161 came after the catch. When he did throw to receivers further downfield, his success was limited. On 11 passes targeted 10+ yards downfield, he completed just four, going zero-for-six on passes outside the numbers.

    Quarterback grade: Drew Brees 67.9

    Brees clutch with heat on, but made questionable decisions with no pressure

    Monday night’s performance was a microcosm of what we’ve come to expect from the Saints’ quarterback over the past few years. At times he made dazzling, highly-difficult throws into tight windows, racking up 172 yards on six-of-nine targets 20+ yards downfield. Interjected between those were the head-scratchers— no pressure, no blitz, yet Brees would try to fit a ball into a non-existent window for seemingly no reason. He only had one interception in the box score, but two others went through the hands of Atlanta defenders.

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    Lol if you throw the ball more you will have lower ypa and ypc (strong understanding of statistics). I gave you a link to the FACTS on Matt Ryans and Drew Brees attempts DOWN THE FIELD. You either can't accept that you're wrong or your brain can't wrap itself around some very simple concepts
    Lol it works both ways genius. You claimed Brees didn't throw deep because they were playing catch up. Ryan didn't throw deep because they were ahead and wasn't a need for it. And we don't throw deep to anyone except Julio and sometimes to Aldrick Robinson who is a 4/5th WR.

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    Originally Posted by FAH_Q View Post
    Lol it works both ways genius. You claimed Brees didn't throw deep because they were playing catch up. Ryan didn't throw deep because they were ahead and wasn't a need for it. And we don't throw deep to anyone except Julio and sometimes to Aldrick Robinson who is a 4/5th WR.

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    I never said Brees didn't throw deep. Please just read my post above and accept your ignorance in peace
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    I never said Brees didn't throw deep. Please just read my post above and accept your ignorance in peace
    When i said Brees dinked and dunked all night long. Your response was:

    "Brees dinked and dunked all night long???"

    Face it, Ryan didn't throw deep because we were ahead and the Saints double and tripled Julio. Period.

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    Originally Posted by FAH_Q View Post
    When i said Brees dinked and dunked all night long. Your response was:

    "Brees dinked and dunked all night long???"

    Face it, Ryan didn't throw deep because we were ahead and the Saints double and tripled Julio. Period.

    Ignorance of peas

    No Ryan did throw deep.....he was just 4 of 11 over 10 yards and 0 for 6 outside the numbers.....

    Brees was 6 of 9 for 172 on passes over 20 yards downfield which is called lighting it up with deep passes lol just have a seat already!
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    Originally Posted by captaincuck View Post
    No Ryan did throw deep.....he was just 4 of 11 over 10 yards and 0 for 6 outside the numbers.....

    Brees was 6 of 9 for 172 on passes over 20 yards downfield which is called lighting it up with deep passes lol just have a seat already!
    So first you say Ryan dumped it off to Freeman, Coleman, Tamme and Sanu all night and then you post that Ryan actually threw MORE attempts downfield than Brees?


    lol just lol
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    Originally Posted by FAH_Q View Post
    So first you say Ryan dumped it off to Freeman, Coleman, Tamme and Sanu all night and then you post that Ryan actually threw MORE attempts downfield than Brees?


    lol just lol

    You really have trouble with reading comprehension and math.
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    Originally Posted by captaincuck View Post
    You really have trouble with reading comprehension and math.
    Ive said the same thing the entire debate. Ryan didn't throw it deep often because we had a lead and that we have no deep threats outside of Julio. Which is the facts.

    At the end of the day we won so I aint even mad.
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    Originally Posted by JmanTheJuiceman View Post
    What you got for Sleeves:

    2017 first
    2018 4th (could be 3rd or even 2nd if Vikings win SB)


    What you gave up for Wentz:

    2016 1st #8
    2016 3rd #77
    2016 4th #100
    2017 1st
    2018 3rd




    Looks like your team just wasted roughly 1st, 3rd, and 4th round draft picks from this year on a downgrade at QB. Like I said:

    #1StepForward2Back

    I know you're trolling but this is what we essentially gave up for Wentz since we got a 1st back for Sleeves.

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    Originally Posted by captaincuck View Post
    Let's not pretend 70 percent of his passes on Monday night weren't screens to Freeman and Coleman
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    avg Pass for Ryan vs Aint's. 8.0 yards.

    Freeman= 5 catches for 55 recieving yards
    Coleman= 3 catches for 47 yards.

    8 total passes completed to RBs. Ryan 20/30 not accounting for drops. that's 40% of passes to RBs. as to where they were on the field I can't find that stat.
    Originally Posted by captaincuck View Post
    How many passes completed greater than 20 yards downfield? How many attempts?


    Edit: sorry I just couldn't help that you forgot the s. Ryan was dumping it off to Sanu, Tamme, Coleman, and Freeman the entire game and didn't do much impressive other than his two Michael Vick impersonations. I'm just saying an average game against the Saints who were missing the top 4 corners on their depth chart and SS isn't what you want to showcase to the misc. The Saints D is literally composed of guys plucked off bourbon street and he was 20/30 for 240 yards and 2 TD's. That being said I was absolutely infuriated when he ran for 10 and 20 yards. Ya'll have a dangerous offense.
    just pointing out the numerical fact that 70% of his passes were not to Coleman and Freeman. Don't try and throw in other players and conditions to make yourself feel not wrong because the fact is you are wrong.
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    Originally Posted by BenadrylBandit View Post
    I know you're trolling but this is what we essentially gave up for Wentz since we got a 1st back for Sleeves.

    Swapped 2016 1st's
    2016 3rd,4th
    2018 3rd
    Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are "trolling". I'm willing to say Wentz has been great so far, I just don't think he has been the best. I don't see how that is such a tragedy to you guys.



    Anyways, I already showed you the picks.


    2016 #8, #77, and #100 have already been used.

    You "swapped" 2017 1st rounders, which looks like they are going to be in the relatively same draft position.

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    Originally Posted by JmanTheJuiceman View Post
    Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are "trolling". I'm willing to say Wentz has been great so far, I just don't think he has been the best. I don't see how that is such a tragedy to you guys.



    Anyways, I already showed you the picks.


    2016 #8, #77, and #100 have already been used.

    You "swapped" 2017 1st rounders, which looks like they are going to be in the relatively same draft position.

    You "swapped" a 2018 3rd for a 2018 4th (conditional 2nd/3rd).
    You said we downgraded lmao, that's trolling.

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