also, i havnt read the thread but has anyone pointed out the fact that CNNs poll doesnt include 18-35 year olds???
HAHAHAHAHA
talk about a cooked poll, jesus christ. it leaves out half the voter base
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08-02-2016, 09:01 AM #271
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08-02-2016, 09:10 AM #272
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08-02-2016, 09:11 AM #273
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08-02-2016, 09:15 AM #274
I'm looking at an average of several polls on Real Clear Politics (RCP Average). There is only one poll, LA Times, that has Trump ahead. Clinton's lead is anywhere from +1 to +9 in all the other polls.
And, all were seeing right now are the effects of the conventions. Trump got a bump and lost it. Clinton's bump is still rising. Again we'll have to see if the trend continues.
Given all of the gaffs by the Trump campaign, if they continue he's going to have a big deficit by the time the first debate is held.E Pluribus Unum
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08-02-2016, 09:17 AM #275
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08-02-2016, 09:21 AM #276
I'm not of the believe that these polls aren't bad news for Trump, I'm just lol-ing at the idea that they mean Trump is finished. Just last week it was the other way around. Do we learn nothing about how much things can change in a week?
It will be horrible for Trump, but even still, we won't know until November.
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08-02-2016, 09:55 AM #277
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08-02-2016, 10:00 AM #278
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08-02-2016, 10:19 AM #279
You realize the masses don't keep up with this stuff on a week to week basis right?
Doing what exactly.
Nothing Trump does really changes anything.
The masses at this point in time have a consensus that both candidates are extreme, but they hate Hillary more than Trump. There is no poll that is relevant.
As it gets closer, Trump will become more likable and sway everyone on the fence.
Nobody particularly cares about Hillary.
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08-02-2016, 10:32 AM #280
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Trump has hated on Soldiers and Fire Fighters this week. The dude is setting himself up to be destroyed come November. We may be seeing the biggest beat down since Reagan destroyed Mondale. You know it's bad when CNN the biggest Trump cheerleaders are picking against him. I lean republican, but Trump is definitely not getting my vote at this point.
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08-02-2016, 09:33 PM #288
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08-02-2016, 09:35 PM #289
i very much doubt that. dems themselves are concerned about stein stealing significant amount of votes.
roughly half of bernie's supporters were passionately against establishment--- they hate hillary
you just dont see these things in the left wing polls and news, especially how they are being manipulated
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08-02-2016, 10:19 PM #290
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08-02-2016, 10:33 PM #291
It's laughable how cooked to **** this poll as well as others like Reuters are and have been. As soon as they saw an opportunity post DNC convention, they cooked them and attributed it all to a post-convention "bump" and stupid drama that voters don't or won't care about. They massively overrepresent democrats, leave out or marginalize demographics, and assume similar turnout and enthusiasm for the respective parties/candidates as the last two elections. The polls don't mean ****. The only concern I have is if this is done in an attempt to have something to point at and make potentially stealing this election not look like as big a sham.
The devil is ALWAYS in the details. Look at the breakdowns of these polls. They treat it like it's Obama vs McCain/Romney again. It is anything but and given the numbers we saw in the primaries and rallies, the enthusiasm is on Trump's side. The MSM can pretend there weren't thousands and thousands of protesters outside the DNC and loud boos with every mention of Clinton inside the DNC, but that is going to take a toll come election time. Those are people who would/should vote Democrat but will not. People who did or would have voted Obama both of his terms. Clinton is a dead end candidate. For all of Trump's unorthodoxy and maddening of those who think he can only win the election conventionally, his number speak for themselves. Trump consistently outperformed polls as the primaries went on by large margins and those polls were not as heavily cooked as these BS GE polls. He just BTFO of Cruz and Kasich with increasing magnitude until they tapped out. He will win.
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08-02-2016, 10:36 PM #292
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08-02-2016, 10:50 PM #293
who? Hey, man. I'm just stating the facts. It's a fact that the numbers and enthusiasm is on Trump's side given the numbers in the primaries, rallies, and how the respective conventions played out including Trump getting millions of more views during his speech. GE polls can be discounted simply by looking at the details and given the flip in the enthusiasm between the two parties making it almost impossible to confidently project how the election will break down both in terms of demographics and overall turnout. Hillary is NOT Obama and has nothing close going for her in comparison to him. Trump is NOT either of the neocon cuck losers McCain and Romney.
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12-11-2016, 01:33 AM #299
It wasn't just miscers who believed the fake polls.
Look at this video and the glee she has thinking that the polls are correct,
and yet.....the emails that were exposed proved that the media and Hillary campaign were working together to put out fake polls showing hillary winning
So funny that they were lying to force Trump to change or get Trump voters to give up, and THEY are the ones who fell for the lies.
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12-11-2016, 01:36 AM #300
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