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    To summarize, technology that doesn’t exist is now mandatory for new firearms sales.
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    The technology exists, it is just essentially serial information laser etched on the tip of the firing pin which is supposed to leave a stamp on the shell casing identifying the weapon it was fired from. Problem being that it doesn't actually work and if I were a criminal who wanted to cover my tracks I could simply scuff the end of my firing pin with sand paper, buy a replacement firing pin from the manufacturer or clean up after myself and pick up the shell casings
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    Originally Posted by Ramoneb87 View Post
    The technology exists, it is just essentially serial information laser etched on the tip of the firing pin which is supposed to leave a stamp on the shell casing identifying the weapon it was fired from. Problem being that it doesn't actually work and if I were a criminal who wanted to cover my tracks I could simply scuff the end of my firing pin with sand paper, buy a replacement firing pin from the manufacturer or clean up after myself and pick up the shell casings
    And as always, the law only hurts law abiding citizens trying to protect themselves and their family.
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    Originally Posted by Ramoneb87 View Post
    The technology exists, it is just essentially serial information laser etched on the tip of the firing pin which is supposed to leave a stamp on the shell casing identifying the weapon it was fired from. Problem being that it doesn't actually work and if I were a criminal who wanted to cover my tracks I could simply scuff the end of my firing pin with sand paper, buy a replacement firing pin from the manufacturer or clean up after myself and pick up the shell casings
    The law states two places. So the firing pin is one but what other part of the gun has moving parts which could effectively stamp a piece of metal? And if it doesn’t work as you said then the tech doesn’t exist.
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    No problem OP, the real firearm users (drug dealers, human smugglers, etc...) will continue to operate while ignoring this law.
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    No problem OP, the real firearm users (drug dealers, human smugglers, etc...) will continue to operate while ignoring this law.
    Pretty much this ^^. It's hard to believe that every gun sold before yesterday magically stopped functioning and that criminals will now have to purchase their guns with these new requirements.
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    Originally Posted by Ramoneb87 View Post
    The technology exists, it is just essentially serial information laser etched on the tip of the firing pin which is supposed to leave a stamp on the shell casing identifying the weapon it was fired from. Problem being that it doesn't actually work and if I were a criminal who wanted to cover my tracks I could simply scuff the end of my firing pin with sand paper, buy a replacement firing pin from the manufacturer or clean up after myself and pick up the shell casings
    not to mention could easily frame someone by picking up your shells and dropping a few of theirs.....or even just altering the firing pin....

    not to mention that ok thats great if you have a shell with someone's serial# on it..doesnt prove that person pulled the actual trigger.
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    Originally Posted by jubjubrsx View Post
    not to mention could easily frame someone by picking up your shells and dropping a few of theirs.....or even just altering the firing pin....

    not to mention that ok thats great if you have a shell with someone's serial# on it..doesnt prove that person pulled the actual trigger.
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    Originally Posted by jubjubrsx View Post
    not to mention could easily frame someone by picking up your shells and dropping a few of theirs.....or even just altering the firing pin....

    not to mention that ok thats great if you have a shell with someone's serial# on it..doesnt prove that person pulled the actual trigger.
    The round itself is still going to have a signature from the barrel of your gun, though.
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    The round itself is still going to have a signature from the barrel of your gun, though.
    If they recover the bullet.
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    Originally Posted by 401Delta View Post
    The round itself is still going to have a signature from the barrel of your gun, though.
    Based on what? The twist rate or material of the barrel? And what if the two bullets were fired from the same or similar models? Do you know how many Glock 17s are out there?

    And this is all assuming the projectile is retrieved completely intact without any fragmentation of mushrooming.
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    Originally Posted by Ramoneb87 View Post
    Based on what? The twist rate or material of the barrel? And what if the two bullets were fired from the same or similar models? Do you know how many Glock 17s are out there?

    And this is all assuming the projectile is retrieved completely intact without any fragmentation of mushrooming.
    Two rounds fired from different guns of the same model will still have unique markings. A fragment from a single round can often still be matched as coming from a particular barrel.
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    As a benefit, this will drastically increase the used gun market in areas this law is in effect. I would pay many multiples of MSRP for a gun that doesn't stamp bullets. I operate more on my own morals and ethics than actual law though.
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    Originally Posted by soaponarope1 View Post
    As a benefit, this will drastically increase the used gun market in areas this law is in effect. I would pay many multiples of MSRP for a gun that doesn't stamp bullets. I operate more on my own morals and ethics than actual law though.
    This. Several years ago i bought a used MP9 for 400 bucks. Once it fell off the CA safe gun roster it immediately jumped in value to around 12-1500
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    So what happens if you reload your or someone else's casings?
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    So what happens if you reload your or someone else's casings?
    You would still have to replace the primer with a new one, which would now have the imprint of your gun.
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    https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wi...g-law-57023830

    To summarize, technology that doesn’t exist is now mandatory for new firearms sales.
    They've had eleven years since Arnold signed the law to develop the technology.
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    Originally Posted by Harbinger View Post
    And as always, the law only hurts law abiding citizens trying to protect themselves and their family.
    How does it do this?
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    Would this mean, just an example, that when Glock comes out with the Gen 6 G17, it will make it illegal to sell the Gen 5 or is the Gen 5 grandfathered in? What about citizen to citizen sales of the Gen 5? This could effectively end the sale of a lot of firearms to the law abiding citizens if, the gun mfg do not want to implement this coding.
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    Originally Posted by PSToolman View Post
    How does it do this?
    Stop being dense. The law prohibits citizens from being able to buy new firearms due to banning them for some chit requirements that manufacturers simply aren't going to do.

    Originally Posted by icetrauma View Post
    Would this mean, just an example, that when Glock comes out with the Gen 6 G17, it will make it illegal to sell the Gen 5 or is the Gen 5 grandfathered in? What about citizen to citizen sales of the Gen 5? This could effectively end the sale of a lot of firearms to the law abiding citizens if, the gun mfg do not want to implement this coding.
    I believe the Gen 5 is already off roster in California. I think LEO are exempt from the law and are allowed to buy them, and they can still be sold privately between citizens once already owned. I think that's how it works at least.
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    Originally Posted by SpeedCheeser View Post
    Stop being dense. The law prohibits citizens from being able to buy new firearms due to banning them for some chit requirements that manufacturers simply aren't going to do.



    I believe the Gen 5 is already off roster in California. I think LEO are exempt from the law and are allowed to buy them, and they can still be sold privately between citizens once already owned. I think that's how it works at least.

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    Thanks Speed for the misinformation.
    Fixed. The law doesn't do that. Nothing is being banned. People aren't going to be required to retrofit older weapons or surrender anything. This is on new models.
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    Originally Posted by PSToolman View Post
    Fixed. The law doesn't do that. Nothing is being banned. People aren't going to be required to retrofit older weapons or surrender anything. This is on new models.
    They're not going to ban the sale of new fire arm models if they don't have the info printed on the firing pin as stated?
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