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07-20-2016, 02:36 PM #61
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07-21-2016, 01:14 AM #62
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07-21-2016, 02:14 AM #63
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07-21-2016, 02:28 AM #64
So I know alot of people and coaches will tell me to bench with elbows tucked/medium grip/slight arch and stuff, how is it so many of the bodybuilders in the golden age used widegrip benches collar to collar without wrecking their shoulders and having great chest development? I did google some studies but the ones I found had lacking research methods and the results between them were inconsistent. Personally I started doing the widegrip for a while now with high volume and low intensity, my shoulders are fine and my chest is getting alot better. The thing is am I setting myself slowly but surely up for late shoulder injuries? Or is it possible for a short armed guy like me with broad shoulders to keep pressing wide?
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07-21-2016, 12:19 PM #65
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07-21-2016, 12:40 PM #66
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the lead professor at my university thinks I should go into PT but to be honest its the last thing I want. PT is just a bunch of old people who dont give a damn and who wont do any of the things you ask them to. Its like a goddamn nursing home in there. Im persuing real estate right now, already flipping a home while going to school and working full time. Getting my degree is just something I always saw myself doing. I wanted to go to med school but when I was younger I had a lot of pressure from my family to get amazing grades (they are both teachers) and it broke me. Ended up never going to class and barely passing all my GE courses so med school is out of the picture now. I also hated how broad a bio degree is. Who gets a degree in "the study of life" life is the most complex and vast thing on this planet. I wanted to study the human body so I went Kinesiology. Looking into Physicians Assistant programs now for Orthopedics. Would love to be in the OR. Next stop might be EMT school for a year. Shaddowing is such a great idea bro. Make sure you LOVE the field youre in before you choose to spend thousands more on a masters program.... ive heard soo many horror stories about that its not even funny
Great bodybuilders spend years lifting and dialing down their technique which is why they can bench with flared elbows. You can too. You just have to be patient. A coach will always want to put the athlete in the safest position for less risk of injury, which is why he tells you to bench tucked. If you work on your technique, and dont get too aggressive with stacking the weight then you can bench with flared elbows. Also, bodybuilders and power lifters train much differently. Hopefully youre doing both, but consider the fact that if you bench with flaired elbows 2-3 times per week with 80%+ 1rm thats alot more potential for injury than 3x12 with 65% 1-3 times per month. You should be able to train somewhere in between that. So should your hand grip width. This article is good and illustrates alot on the topic.
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07-22-2016, 03:43 PM #67
at it again
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I’m glad to have found your post!!! I’m 37, 223lbs at 30%+ body fat I guess, I’m pear shaped but did 230 crunches my 1st day back to the gym (I could’ve done a lot more) though I got some cramps when I was 50 in.
@22 I went from 240 to 180lbs in 2 months doing 1h weights or 2h of cardio (elliptical at 150-180 heart rate or running @ beach, thanks to Gatorade 30mins in) 6x a week (plus did karate classes twice a week).
@29 I got the fattest I’ve ever been at 280lbs and did only 30mins a day of a full, upper or lower body dumbbell circuit workouts 3-5x a week and got down to 190lbs in 4 months. No calorie counting, eating 3 clean balanced meals with hardly any cheats.
NOW I’m a week into 3, 45-60min full body compound movement dumbbell workouts 3-5 sets @10-13 reps (squats, deadlift, chest shoulder press, bicep’s, lat pulldowns) preceded and finished by 5mins on elliptical. The other 3 days I do 2x10min hiit on elliptical and plan on ditching the elliptical for hiit running on soft sand beach, today onward I’m going to add in 15mins of core exercises on cardio day. As far diet, I’m liking the idea of intermittent fasting and consuming a calorie surplus on my 3 weight days (3200kcal) and a calorie deficit with less carbs on my cardio/core workout days (2200kcal). I take gnc’s mega men test, vit c, zinc, d3 and other herb pills besides 10g of bcaa’s or whey before fasted workout or get a meal in if I take too long to get to the gym. So far I’ve recovered very well 4 days after my 1st weight session and though I was a little sore was able to do the same workout my 2nd weight day. If I can’t add 5lbs each week or two to lifts or fully recover in 4 days I’ll increase my calories.
I took my profile photo yesterday. @age 29 vs 22 I did a lot less working out and my face didn’t look like skeletor’s semi-fed uncle, I looked good either way. My goal is to rip all the fat off my body, broadened my shoulders and resemble your physique. Give me ANY of your suggestions you think will allow me to reach my goal ASAP and/or comment on some of these things I’m thinking about doing to accomplish that goal sooner than later:
1. More volume: Every 2 weeks switch up my full body workout for doing an AM upper body and a PM lower body workout or trash the 3 cardio days for either an upper body or lower body day, with maybe a 30min cardio session on Sunday.
2. Tempo: I’ve always read you should do an explosive positive and a slow controlled negative (time under tension) for size and a few days ago I read this post where you promote more growth going as fast as you can both on the positive and negative. doctor petter griffiths link doctorpg org health-fast-reps-better html
3. BFR: I never curled more than 60lbs, always had trouble with shoulders, nor benched more than 180 but without much time in the gym I’ve always been able to take the whole rack for sitting back row machine and quad extension. I’m going to tie up my biceps with self-grip wrap to finish my upper body workouts.
4. More hiit: on my cardio day, every 2 hours do a 10min hiit beach running session, in a whole day I should be able to run 4 to 6 times a day. I understand people have problems with cardio because it hampers gains but I also read it helps with getting stronger if it’s short and intense. Side note there is something REALLY special about running on soft sand, its nothing like cardio on a machine, it’s the only thing that really kicks my butt and does a significant positive impact to me psychologically that I’m hesitant to detail.
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07-23-2016, 12:13 PM #68
Hey , 2 questions
1.Is it necessary to do shoulder compound exercises to fully develope the (front/medial head of the shoulders? or are chest compound exercises +sidedelt exercises enough/optimal?
2.How important is incline bench press for balanced development? i heard flat presses hits the upper chest just as hard.
thanks
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07-25-2016, 03:07 PM #69
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Hey thanks for the post in the thread! Glad youre getting back onto your fitness path. You seem to know what works best for your body as you have a great history of weight loss. Thats great keep doing what works! My philisophy is that sometimes its better to be really really good at a couple of things in your fitness/diet program rather than trying to do everything at an optimal level but not being able to be consistent at it. I can tell youve done your homework, you know what you need to do. The most important aspect of fitness is being consistent. Create a plan, and stick with it for 8 weeks or more before changing a single thing. You can literally do the same thing for 6 months and continue to get results with only minor changes to your program and caloric restriction. Please outline all of your goals and deadlines.
One last thing, in order to be consisstent we have to make sure we arent trying to go 110% every single day. Lifting to failure 2x per day in a caloric deficit will definitely send you into over training. If youre trying to loose weight quick then use the iron as a method of keeping your heart rate up while burning fat. You cant train like a powerlifter on a annorexic diet. Make sure you have energy for the next workout and that will keep you coming back into the gym day in and day out.
It depends on how much HZ pressing youre doing and your goals but generally speaking you should utilize every tool avaliable to you in your training and vertical pressing is definitely one of them.
The pectoralis major is a muscle that originates from the sternum and the clavicle and inserts at the humerus. It isnt a muscle that has two heads as there is only one insertion point. Therefore if youre using your chest all of the fibers will contract as with a flat bench press. However, due to the way the fibers are alligned the upper fibers do not go through the range of motion that the lower fibers go through during a flat press. If you notice the one biggest difference between bench and incline is the stretch you get at the bottom of the eccentric portion of the lift. That is why the incline is great at helping develop the upper fibers. Every person is different, if you feel that your upper chest is on par with the rest of your chest development without incline then feel free to leave it out if you prefer. It is a staple in my training program.Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (NSCA)
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07-25-2016, 03:25 PM #70
[QUOTE=y0lked;1453844603]the lead professor at my university thinks I should go into PT but to be honest its the last thing I want. PT is just a bunch of old people who dont give a damn and who wont do any of the things you ask them to. Its like a goddamn nursing home in there. Im persuing real estate right now, already flipping a home while going to school and working full time. Getting my degree is just something I always saw myself doing. I wanted to go to med school but when I was younger I had a lot of pressure from my family to get amazing grades (they are both teachers) and it broke me. Ended up never going to class and barely passing all my GE courses so med school is out of the picture now. I also hated how broad a bio degree is. Who gets a degree in "the study of life" life is the most complex and vast thing on this planet. I wanted to study the human body so I went Kinesiology. Looking into Physicians Assistant programs now for Orthopedics. Would love to be in the OR. Next stop might be EMT school for a year. Shaddowing is such a great idea bro. Make sure you LOVE the field youre in before you choose to spend thousands more on a masters program.... ive heard soo many horror stories about that its not even funny
You must have had a bad experience with Physical Therapy. Don't get me wrong, those patients do exist, but you will find them in the PA field as well. I graduated with a B.S. in kinesiology and now have my Doctorate in Physical Therapy. First year of graduate school we shared many classes with the PAs, and graduated together later down the road. Good fields either way. Good luck. Never have had to worry about job security.
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07-26-2016, 08:28 AM #71
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08-06-2016, 09:34 AM #72
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08-06-2016, 10:05 AM #73
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08-06-2016, 11:11 PM #76
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08-08-2016, 10:34 AM #77
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Not sure about that. Sounds pretty serious you should see a physician.
Probably tendonitis from the way you grip the bar. Im assuming its only on one side? Shoulder mobility on that side could be limiting internal rotation of the shoulder which could cause the pronator teres to have to work harder to keep your arm in pronation leading to the tendonitis from overuse. Are you squatting high bar or low bar?Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (NSCA)
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08-08-2016, 04:06 PM #78
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Tore my left ACL in high school football and it's been years since. I can still squat and do legs and I can still go heavy for a lot of volume. However, on the occasion my left knee feels like the joint pops a lot. I have a buddy that had some voodoo floss and we tried it on my knee since it's supposed to help ease the pain, but it didn't do much and so I'm figuring it's not any muscle disfunction but just the joint. What can I do to help heal it and find some relief?
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08-09-2016, 02:49 PM #80
1. My right forearm has been a minor problem for quite a few months now in the gym. More noticeable when I do bi's but I also feel some pain in there during other days too. Sometimes its kinda bad, sometimes barley noticeable. Not bad enough to make my wanna take days off from the gym but still something I would like to solve. Any ideas?
2. Any helpful ideas for stretchmarks? I have them on both sides of my outter part of my chest and on where my shoulder/arm meet and I hate them so much.
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08-09-2016, 03:50 PM #81
Bent-arm Lateral Dumbbell Raise Q.
I'm relatively new here, so I'm not sure if this concept is new, but kudos for starting a potentially legendary thread! - provided we all have the patience to read it thoroughly
Background Info:
I do lateral dumbbell raises with bent-arms for two main reasons: 1. Frayed labrum on both sides causing major discomfort when attempting straight-arm raises, and 2. I feel I get less trap activation (good!) when I start the lift with a 90' bend at elbow so that my forearms are parallel to the ground with thumbs-up. This also means that my shoulders are constantly under load as I don't drop the weight to my sides after a repetition.
My lifting form (gleaned from various internet fragments) involves internal rotation (??) at the peak of the lift as if I'm pouring water out of a pitcher. Think of the left thumb as starting at 12:00 rotating clockwise to 4:00 (or 8:00 counterclockwise with right thumb). Hands do not go higher than shoulders during the lift, and my elbows only go up far enough so as to avoid trap activation.
I've progressed well with this particular lift, and my shoulders have exploded (IMO).
The Problem:
Despite maintaining strict form while progressing heavier and heavier (not for the ego, but with proper periodization), my wrists hurt considerably during the heaviest set. Again, I don't cheat, and the weight is lifted with the same cadence as subsequent sets. The subsequent set performed 3 minutes later with a 2KG-lighter dumbbell exhibits absolutely no pain at all, and so on and so forth. Is there something inherently wrong with my form at peak contraction causing wrist pain at the outer edge (tracing down from pinkies) ? Am I even doing this exercise correctly? Do I need special rehab exercises?
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08-09-2016, 03:58 PM #82
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once you tear or severly strain a muscle ligament or tendon you will have joint laxity. Laxity isnt much of a bad thing unless you abuse the joint capsule flexibility ie: not worrying about ankle dorsiflexion mobility and just bouncing off the bottom because the muscles at your knee arent limiting the range of motion. Check your form, slow mo video is always good with straight on angles. You would be suprised what you can see in 240 fps.
Its probably tendonitis. See previous tendonitis posts. As far as stretchmarks go, sometimes they fade with age and also muscle definition. I know there are some cremes out there you can try, ive personally never used them tho so cant recommend any. Stretchmarks occur when there is in imbalance of hormones or extreme rapid weight gain. Do any of these situations apply to you?Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (NSCA)
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08-09-2016, 04:24 PM #84
The other day I was playing basketball and it felt as if my right shoulder fell out of place, accompanied with sharp pain then I 'shook' it back in place. Sharp pain went away but slight pain remained and I've been in recovery for 3 days. Not the first time this has happened and it's actually happened twice in 1 day a couple years back. Not sure what movement is causing it cause I was defending during that last basketball game, but it's happened during putting my hands up(overhead defending) before. Any advice for me? It hurts at the rotator cuff area, but do you think it's a scapular stability issue? Thanks ahead of time
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Soo many injuries guys, alot of these questions should be for athletic trainers, pts, or even physicians. If youre having serious injuries like this you should definitely be seeing someone more qualified than I. There are tons of tests for shoulder injuries that are usually very good at determining which muscle could be injured or soft tissue injuries. If these injuries are not taken care of properly you can do more damage that might require surgery and set you back even further.
I wish I could help but typing over the internet about injuries like this is just not smart.Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (NSCA)
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09-21-2016, 02:34 PM #86
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Its not how much you can lift in a single session. Its how much you can recover from.
Want to build muscle and loose fat at the same time?
Increase total workout volume without excessive accumulation of fatigue to build long term consistent gains that result in adaptations that promote the utilization of fat for glycogen recovery.Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (NSCA)
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09-21-2016, 03:45 PM #87
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Should have been more specific...
Fatty acids will undergo beta-oxidation via lipoprotein lipase and will increase intramuscular triglycerides used for recovery and ATP synthesis which promote recovery. And the adaptations I was referring to were increase in CD36 for fatty acid transport across the capillaries and plasma membrane.
Shouldnt have said that Lips are converted directly into glycogen/glucose lolCertified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (NSCA)
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