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    I was thinking earlier today that it'd be cool to have a sled or cart for rope pulling.
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    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    I was thinking earlier today that it'd be cool to have a sled or cart for rope pulling.
    Actually since there's no eccentric phase to a sled push having a rope or some long straps to drag it back is a great idea. You'll see some people do them almost upright with straight arms kind of walking it. Each to their own but I like getting down low and driving it forward.

    Some treat it only as a "GPP" conditioning exercise but you can definitely develop explosiveness and a lot of strength with it by using heavier loads. It's a shame more gyms don't have them.
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    Originally Posted by Dominik View Post
    Actually since there's no eccentric phase to a sled push having a rope or some long straps to drag it back is a great idea. You'll see some people do them almost upright with straight arms kind of walking it. Each to their own but I like getting down low and driving it forward.

    Some treat it only as a "GPP" conditioning exercise but you can definitely develop explosiveness and a lot of strength with it by using heavier loads. It's a shame more gyms don't have them.
    And yeah you can make it a quad isolation with long straps.
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    Talk about a "completely useless" video. Not everyone is built to deadlift. Some can only pull heavy weights with a wider sumo stance while some stupidly persist with conventional and continue to punish their lumbar spine in between visits to the physiotherapist.

    The trap bar certainly has its place and it's absolutely laughable to suggest the back isn't being worked because it isn't "horizontal." I suspect he hates this piece of gear because it puts the average person in a more comfortable position to pull safely with shorter limbs and a long torso maintaining a more upright back position throughout the movement which as a coach effectively puts him out of a job.

    Cliffs: Someone who probably hasn't deadlifted since the Gulf War is talking people out of using a perfectly good piece of equipment.

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    and nba all star game is going as expected.
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    I was thinking earlier today that it'd be cool to have a sled or cart for rope pulling.
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    Originally Posted by Dominik View Post
    Talk about a "completely useless" video. Not everyone is built to deadlift. Some can only pull heavy weights with a wider sumo stance while some stupidly persist with conventional and continue to punish their lumbar spine in between visits to the physiotherapist.

    The trap bar certainly has its place and it's absolutely laughable to suggest the back isn't being worked because it isn't "horizontal." I suspect he hates this piece of gear because it puts the average person in a more comfortable position to pull safely with shorter limbs and a long torso maintaining a more upright back position throughout the movement which as a coach effectively puts him out of a job.

    Cliffs: Someone who probably hasn't deadlifted since the Gulf War is talking people out of using a perfectly good piece of equipment.

    Unfortunately I scared away the rant's rippietoe disciple
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    Unfortunately I scared away the rant's rippietoe disciple
    Who was that? I know there was a time here when quite a few regulars were talking about him.
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    Who was that? I know there was a time here when quite a few regulars were talking about him.
    Sir Farlesworth, mostly in his younger years. Remember he had sticky FAQ thread covering one of the books.
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    Tyson Fury just beat the shiit out Wilder
    You mean after the match?
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    Tyson Fury just beat the shiit out Wilder
    "If Tyson Fury does not beat Deontay Wilder, Tyson Fury's a bum." — Tyson Fury
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    my Top 5 exercises.

    1. Romanian deadlift
    2. Shoulder press
    3. Sled push
    4. One-arm DB row
    5. Farmers walk/frame carry
    Alright I'll go next.

    1. Bench Press
    2. Sled Pull (or push)
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    4. HS Shoulder Press
    5. Barbell Curl

    Chinups and squats would compete for a top five slot for effectiveness, but just outside a top five favorite.
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    The trap bar certainly has its place and it's absolutely laughable to suggest the back isn't being worked because it isn't "horizontal."
    It does. A few months ago I did a weird routine where I just did trap bar deadlifts, pullups and pushups. After a couple weeks of doing ONLY that I saw pretty awesome results. Even had a random dude come up and ask me what I was doing because the change was so fast he noticed it.

    I was also intermittent fasting so... yeah that.
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    Originally Posted by Final_Rep View Post
    It does. A few months ago I did a weird routine where I just did trap bar deadlifts, pullups and pushups. After a couple weeks of doing ONLY that I saw pretty awesome results. Even had a random dude come up and ask me what I was doing because the change was so fast he noticed it.
    Some people clearly have a biomechanical advantage on conventional deadlifts with long arms and a short torso. Of course you could train anyone to do deadlifts safely up to a certain point and most adult men could probably pull 315 for reps but the temptation will always be there to go heavier and when form breaks down it becomes a problem. For someone wanting to pull heavier weights without that biomechanical advantage it makes sense to explore sumo, the trap bar, or pulling in a rack or off blocks.

    As you know the trap bar puts your back in a more upright position like a sumo deadlift only you can use a conventional stance and drive more with the legs. He's right that it's more like a reverse squat than a deadlift but that doesn't stop it from targeting the back. Seems obvious why the US military has invested in the trap bar because it's going to bring down the number of personnel jacking up their L4-L5 vertebrae on a lift they're not built for. A solider with a bad back costs time and money and some might never fully recover.

    The Romanian deadlift is my favorite because it targets the posterior chain better than pulling from the floor. A trap bar won't replace that but then it doesn't have to — you can do both.
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    Alright I'll go next.

    1. Bench Press
    2. Sled Pull (or push)
    3. Romanian Deadlift
    4. HS Shoulder Press
    5. Barbell Curl

    Chinups and squats would compete for a top five slot for effectiveness, but just outside a top five favorite.
    Who's next?
    What do your workouts look like these days and what are your goals?

    I know they're great exercises but I haven't done 1 & 5 since 2004. Using a straight bar for curls always felt unnatural to me. EZ curl bar standing is probably one I should revisit but lately I've seen results doing each arm one at a time with a cable.
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    Originally Posted by Dominik View Post
    What do your workouts look like these days and what are your goals?

    I know they're great exercises but I haven't done 1 & 5 since 2004. Using a straight bar for curls always felt unnatural to me. EZ curl bar standing is probably one I should revisit but lately I've seen results doing each arm one at a time with a cable.
    Right now it's just the wheel barrel pull and ice skating. But it's about time to start up again. I could easily replace BB Curls with Skulls for #5, but tris get good work with the bench. No barbell benching since 2004? That's the one exercise that's always in my lineup (when lifting).
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    Originally Posted by Dominik View Post
    Some people clearly have a biomechanical advantage on conventional deadlifts with long arms and a short torso. Of course you could train anyone to do deadlifts safely up to a certain point and most adult men could probably pull 315 for reps but the temptation will always be there to go heavier and when form breaks down it becomes a problem. For someone wanting to pull heavier weights without that biomechanical advantage it makes sense to explore sumo, the trap bar, or pulling in a rack or off blocks.

    As you know the trap bar puts your back in a more upright position like a sumo deadlift only you can use a conventional stance and drive more with the legs. He's right that it's more like a reverse squat than a deadlift but that doesn't stop it from targeting the back. Seems obvious why the US military has invested in the trap bar because it's going to bring down the number of personnel jacking up their L4-L5 vertebrae on a lift they're not built for. A solider with a bad back costs time and money and some might never fully recover.

    The Romanian deadlift is my favorite because it targets the posterior chain better than pulling from the floor. A trap bar won't replace that but then it doesn't have to — you can do both.
    I prefer conventional deeds because I am pretty sure I have those mechanical advantages you listed(longer arms, shorter torso) but, to be honest, I really liked trap bar dead because, as you point out, they tend to make the legs scream more than lower back and spinal muscles. I would go so far as to say they tend to be a stronger position for the traps as well.

    I agree that RDLs is probably better for the posterior chain than deadlifts are, but I still lean more on good mornings for that type of work. It is more of a "what suits you best" kind of deal, I suppose.
    I have noticed a lot of guys get into the mode of doing something one way and ignoring the benefits of another variation of the same exercise. A lot of guys will only deadlift conventional because that is what they want to improve on and they will not even consider trap bar dead or sumo deads.



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    Originally Posted by 400Lb Gorilla View Post
    I prefer conventional deeds because I am pretty sure I have those mechanical advantages you listed(longer arms, shorter torso) but, to be honest, I really liked trap bar dead because, as you point out, they tend to make the legs scream more than lower back and spinal muscles. I would go so far as to say they tend to be a stronger position for the traps as well.

    I agree that RDLs is probably better for the posterior chain than deadlifts are, but I still lean more on good mornings for that type of work. It is more of a "what suits you best" kind of deal, I suppose.
    I have noticed a lot of guys get into the mode of doing something one way and ignoring the benefits of another variation of the same exercise. A lot of guys will only deadlift conventional because that is what they want to improve on and they will not even consider trap bar dead or sumo deads.
    Good to hear your thoughts on this. To me Good Mornings and RDLs are almost interchangeable and very similar if done properly where you initiate the movement by pushing the hips back as opposed to stiff-legging them. The difference with GMs is more torque is applied to the lower back and spinal erectors with the bar resting on the traps as opposed to the bar being in contact with the legs. I feel RDLs in the hamstrings more.

    The only downside I can think of that might discourage more from doing them is that most people in a commercial gym will think you're doing a bad squat.

    As for the trap bar I've been using it for shrugs lately and the sharp knurling means the straps stay in my bag and chalk is enough. I'll look for any excuse to train my grip.
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    I'm dat guy. ^^^

    But I'm fine with that I pulled 615 this week at the ripe old age of 52.
    Just my 2 cents but you love competing so you have a specific reason to train that lift. I guess you could pull sumo if you wanted and being a strong squatter you might even be able to pull more. However for the typical lifter in the gym we're talking about a few inches off the floor that won't make any difference to their back development but absolutely will increase the risk of jacking up their lower spine especially when they start maxing out.

    Most people should probably use a trap bar which gives them back a few extra inches off the floor for a safer back angle and lends itself to more of a reverse squat which is less complicated.

    Some people are just perfectly built for that lift. A fellow Aussie on the forum back in 2006 when I kept a journal with the lofty goal of taking my DL from 640 to 800 was one of those people and I could see that right away. He's like a shorter, lighter Konstantinovs. Here he is pulling 760 @ just over 200lbs. At that weight I doubt I'd have ever hit 600 raw. At lockout the bar is like 6 inches above his knees. Of course he trained his ass off but he's just perfectly built for that lift. The reality is most people are not built for that lift.



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    Time flies. I uploaded this 14 years ago when hardly anyone had heard of the guy and Youtube was just getting started pre-Google. I was training deadlifts twice a week with speed pull days and Konstantinovs was my inspiration.



    His 948 record in the 275 class still hasn't been broken. And to put that lift in context the SHW record at the time was 970.
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