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    Anybody here familiar with Creatine? If so what you think of it?
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    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    Anybody here familiar with Creatine? If so what you think of it?
    After whey protein isolate it's the only supplement I'd spend my money on. I used to drink it right before and during workouts. These days I'd rather train without it. No question it does what it says on the box. Unlike a lot of BS supplements it works.

    Recently started doing one-arm DB rows again and honestly nothing feels better for the lats and middle of the back. Helps avoid imbalances that can occur with a barbell when the stronger side is doing more of the work.
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    I also love training instinctively. I haven't followed a program in over 12 years. That might not be ideal for someone training for a BB contest or PL meet but I've never had a serious injury and feel satisfied with what I've achieved in there.

    Driving to the gym or when I walk in there is when I decide what I'm going to train. Sometimes a muscle group feels tight or fatigued so I'll work around that and do whatever I want. When you feel inspired to train something you'll put more into it than training it because a piece of paper calls for it.

    That being said I think it's very important to log your workouts so you can keep track of the overall workload and all your PRs.
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    Originally Posted by Dominik View Post
    That being said I think it's very important to log your workouts so you can keep track of the overall workload and all your PRs.
    I've never logged my workouts or nutrition schedule.

    Anyways I've slid back into a standard chest/back/leg ~6-day split, comfortably juggling abs, shoulders, arms, and cardio in and between those 3 days. So given that, I'd say it's a good time to throw the creatine in the mix.
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    Give it a go. The stuff is dirt cheap and will help you squeeze out a few more reps.

    Start keeping a log of your workouts. Just a text file on your phone which you can punch into something fancy later.
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    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    Anybody here familiar with Creatine? If so what you think of it?
    What? Welcome to 1997. Although my 1000g jug is probably 3 years old now. Like dommy said, creatine and whey isolate are the two basics if you're going to spend money on retail supps.
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    Originally Posted by Orlando1234977 View Post
    What? Welcome to 1997. Although my 1000g jug is probably 3 years old now. Like dommy said, creatine and whey isolate are the two basics if you're going to spend money on retail supps.
    What about glucosamine?
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    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    What about glucosamine?
    WPI. Creatine monohydrate. That's all you need. The rest you'll be pissing away.

    Tally up your daily protein intake which is probably half what you think you're getting and that probably isn't enough to begin with.

    People are always getting sucked in by clever marketing. The basics work. Most people are not even getting half a gram of protein per pound of body weight.
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    Getting protein is easy but you have to think about it a bit. I eat cereal and milk for breakfast and even that high carb meal has 30g protein. Add 40g protein shake after the gym, meat with dinner, and whatever protein snacks I have at work (various nuts, eggs, meats, and cheese) and I prob get ~0.8-1g per pound.
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    That's the way to do it. It takes discipline. It's not something a regular diet is going to provide for most people.

    What works for me is to consciously base every meal on protein. I'll eat 400-500g of steak with nothing else on the plate. I know I'll get plenty of carbs elsewhere.
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    The milk in 2 large bowls of cereal is probably like 20-25 g tops. With RTDs on sale at costco I was getting 60 g a day, but usual is 40. After that, yeah a meat serving, but it better be like half a pound at least.

    I'm having 4 bowls of cereal actually just for the fiber and compensating sweet tooth.
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    Originally Posted by Orlando1234977 View Post
    Protein drinks have come a long way in the last 30 years. You should see what we used to blend up and munch down.
    No doubt. I tend not to like whey protein.

    At Jamba Juice it is very distracting in the smoothie. I just choose soy protein even though it has 2/3 the amount for the price and just get extra. Doesn't change the taste or texture at all.

    Casein on the other hand is very smooth. I've heard it's the sole factor that makes cheese addictive. After I learned that, I remember having had a craving for a protein shake back in the day and realizing that it was a protein blend with casein.
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    Anyone watch the Steelers play against New England? Think it's time for me to cheer on a new team
    They looked so bad, wow.
    Only game I saw was the Green Bay Packers go down to chicago to win the opener. (nobody wants to play me anymore in ffb )
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    Anyone watch the Steelers play against New England? Think it's time for me to cheer on a new team
    They looked so bad, wow.
    Can't say that I did. I was too busy in the gym, makin' gainz.
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    Only game I saw was the Green Bay Packers go down to chicago to win the opener. (nobody wants to play me anymore in ffb )
    Do you watch college football?
    Not really, I don’t really watch much NFL football either, but was a fan of the Steelers because I lived in PA for a short time. I’ve never done ffb, sounds addicting. Is it like betting?
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    Not really, I don’t really watch much NFL football either, but was a fan of the Steelers because I lived in PA for a short time. I’ve never done ffb, sounds addicting. Is it like betting?
    It certainly can be used for betting. There's many different types of leagues and formats. One-week plays are basically exclusively used for gambling. But the skill required to play those is also as minimal as it gets. Regardless of format though, I wouldn't say it's too addicting, since most the games are all on Sunday. During the week you might spend 5-10 mins/day managing your program.
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    It certainly can be used for betting. There's many different types of leagues and formats. One-week plays are basically exclusively used for gambling. But the skill required to play those is also as minimal as it gets. Regardless of format though, I wouldn't say it's too addicting, since most the games are all on Sunday. During the week you might spend 5-10 mins/day managing your program.
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    I played Madden 64 a bunch. Do you think the draft features on that help with your game?
    Madden games are great. But I doubt there's anything on there that will help in fantasy football other than possibly (and that's a stretch) helping someone new on draft day. Any metric you want to evaluate is readily available online. And players are all ranked, so even someone that doesn't know what a football is can easily draft a solid team on day 1. From there you either get better or worse
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    Originally Posted by Dominik View Post
    I also love training instinctively. I haven't followed a program in over 12 years. That might not be ideal for someone training for a BB contest or PL meet but I've never had a serious injury and feel satisfied with what I've achieved in there.

    Driving to the gym or when I walk in there is when I decide what I'm going to train. Sometimes a muscle group feels tight or fatigued so I'll work around that and do whatever I want. When you feel inspired to train something you'll put more into it than training it because a piece of paper calls for it.

    That being said I think it's very important to log your workouts so you can keep track of the overall workload and all your PRs.
    Do you have said log?
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    Do you have said log?
    I think he's temporarily out of service after getting bodied in the tennis thread.
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    Originally Posted by Orlando1234977 View Post
    I think he's temporarily out of service after getting bodied in the tennis thread.
    Translation: arguing with some kid posting from his parents' basement was a waste of time so I did everyone a favor and unsubscribed.

    Unlike the guy who said he had me on ignore but had no trouble compiling a list of all my posts I haven't checked that thread and probably won't again. There are other places for me to discuss sport but I'd rather use my time more productively so he did me a favor.

    Originally Posted by im2manly View Post
    Do you have said log?
    Just a text file on my phone for the purpose of tracking PRs. Nothing exciting.

    Main exercises I've been doing: plate loaded shoulder press, one-arm DB rows, shrugs, weighted hypers, arms, lateral raises. I'd like to phase in RDLs and incline DB and DB shoulder press again and miss BB rows. With that knee issue I mentioned I've been avoiding all quad dominant exercises but with a lot of hamstring work it's feeling okay now.

    I guess the main point is after taking 3 years off I wanted to ease my way back in so if I did the same exercises I used to do ego would probably get the better of me. Back training 8 months and I'd say only the last 2 months have been solid. Many people dismiss the importance of pacing yourself after you've taken a lot of time off. Even if the muscles can take more the connective tissue might not be ready to take a beating.
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    Originally Posted by Dominik View Post
    I guess the main point is after taking 3 years off I wanted to ease my way back in so if I did the same exercises I used to do ego would probably get the better of me. Back training 8 months and I'd say only the last 2 months have been solid. Many people dismiss the importance of pacing yourself after you've taken a lot of time off. Even if the muscles can take more the connective tissue might not be ready to take a beating.
    I find the older I get the more I lose when I take time off.

    I trained from age 20 to age 35 consistently. Took 7 years off (!!!) and when I started again at age 42 I still was in decent shape with OK strength and within 10 weeks I was back to about 80% of where I left off and in less than a year I was in much better shape.

    Then in 2016 I tore my bicep tendon and took 3 months off. 50 years old. When I went back to the gym after only 3 months off I felt like I was starting over. Never been so depressed in my life. But I did come back stronger after about 6 months.

    Then in 2017 I tore my groin in competition on a 605 squat attempt. I was back in the gym within a week. I'll never take any time off ever again except for vacations.

    January will mark my 10 year anniversary of lifting again with my only break those 3 months in 2016 due to injury.
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    plate loaded shoulder press,
    You mean the machine or the barbell?
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    Originally Posted by -=FLEX=- View Post
    I find the older I get the more I lose when I take time off.

    I trained from age 20 to age 35 consistently. Took 7 years off (!!!) and when I started again at age 42 I still was in decent shape with OK strength and within 10 weeks I was back to about 80% of where I left off and in less than a year I was in much better shape.

    Then in 2016 I tore my bicep tendon and took 3 months off. 50 years old. When I went back to the gym after only 3 months off I felt like I was starting over. Never been so depressed in my life. But I did come back stronger after about 6 months.

    Then in 2017 I tore my groin in competition on a 605 squat attempt. I was back in the gym within a week. I'll never take any time off ever again except for vacations.

    January will mark my 10 year anniversary of lifting again with my only break those 3 months in 2016 due to injury.
    I admire your dedication Flex. Inspires me a lot. I put in 10 years without missing more than a couple of weeks, then trained sporadically for another 18 months, then nothing for 3 years. I wish I didn't stop but I'd rather look for positives and the break might be having a positive effect now since I feel pretty fresh.

    Originally Posted by GeneralSerpant View Post
    You mean the machine or the barbell?
    Plate loaded with each side isolated. I've never had any issues using machines for shoulders and I don't really see any advantages to using a barbell assuming the machine feels comfortable. These are the ones I've used: Hammer Strength and Precor.

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    Originally Posted by Dominik View Post
    Plate loaded with each side isolated. I've never had any issues using machines for shoulders and I don't really see any advantages to using a barbell assuming the machine feels comfortable. These are the ones I've used: Hammer Strength and Precor.
    Not a bad idea considering front raises as one of the only anterior delt exercise alternatives is pretty weird.
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