RANT: R.I.P. Tyrbolift

[whatevergirl]

Sounds like those close to her said she suffered from depression and maybe these comments were too much. I didn't take her comments as wrong or homophobic, she just had a preference of who she did her scenes with. Always sad when someone takes his/her own life.

[Dominik]

Well, I mean, that is actually the definition of homophobia. And I'd suppose that for professional and discretionary matters, Twitter isn't the best place to reach out on a matter like this.

The Dunning-Kruger syndrome though really could have saved her. She could have stuck to her guns a bit and called out an industry that doesn't administer non-discriminatory tests. Perhaps been a little more discreet again in the process.

Would have been better to say nothing. No one offended. No pushback. She would most likely still be alive.

Just to clarify my own position, I am against any form of harassment or segregation of anyone or group of people. However I am equally against people not being able to express an opinion whether I agree with it or not. That to me is almost like communism — simply replace the political leaders with the social majority.

Here's the thing. Let's say two men are walking down the street holding hands and they are verbally abused for their sexuality. That is bullying and harassment plain and simple. In no way is it remotely acceptable — ever. If you don't agree with it just STFU.

However if someone expresses a view online that those same people disagree with and they commence bullying and harassing them for it over social media, especially to the point where it goes viral and becomes news with it now impacting their employment, etc., how is it any different? It's still bullying. And it's still intolerance.

There was a vote here recently for same-sex marriage and a well-known musician I studied with posted a photo in support of it on his FB page. Someone posted a reply "it's also okay to say no." He said "not on my page." How about "okay, you're entitled to your view." Instead he was terrified of upsetting the majority of his fans who are in support of it so he quickly shut that one down.

Imagine a thread being run like that stacked with moderators and if you expressed an opinion they didn't agree with they just banned you without warning. "Dom just letting you know your man crush Federer sucks." Ban. "Australia is a sh!thole." Ban.

[Dominik]

Sounds like those close to her said she suffered from depression and maybe these comments were too much. I didn't take her comments as wrong or homophobic, she just had a preference of who she did her scenes with. Always sad when someone takes his/her own life.

Summed it up. It doesn't take much to push someone already having those thoughts over the edge. It's very sad.

Of course we're in an age now where a situation can escalate very quickly. Someone in the public eye posts a few comments on Twitter before bed after a few glasses of wine and they wake up to the news they've lost their job.

[GeneralSerpant]

Just to clarify my own position, I am against any form of harassment or segregation of anyone or group of people. However I am equally against people not being able to express an opinion whether I agree with it or not. That to me is almost like communism — simply replace the political leaders with the social majority.

Here's the thing. Let's say two men are walking down the street holding hands and they are verbally abused for their sexuality. That is bullying and harassment plain and simple. In no way is it remotely acceptable — ever. If you don't agree with it just STFU.

However if someone expresses a view online that those same people disagree with and they commence bullying and harassing them for it over social media, especially to the point where it goes viral and becomes news with it now impacting their employment, etc., how is it any different? It's still bullying. And it's still intolerance.

There was a vote here recently for same-sex marriage and a well-known musician I studied with posted a photo in support of it on his FB page. Someone posted a reply "it's also okay to say no." He said "not on my page." How about "okay, you're entitled to your view." Instead he was terrified of upsetting the majority of his fans who are in support of it so he quickly shut that one down.

Imagine a thread being run like that stacked with moderators and if you expressed an opinion they didn't agree with they just banned you without warning. "Dom just letting you know your man crush Federer sucks." Ban. "Australia is a sh!thole." Ban.

Definitely, people forcing their views on others is problematic on both sides of the line.

As far as impacting their employment, this particular circumstance I'd think would come down a bit to knowing the sensibilities of entertainment industries, mature or otherwise. Not that I rest the case on whether or not the tweet had a significant degree of homophobia, using emojis on top of that was just kinda childish. Life and death scenario... best to scapegoat the bisexual performer with effective ridicule in 120- characters. Same goes for the media now. Tomi Lahren spits that playground conservative crap all the time and gets roasted. She never goes after anyone in particular though unless it's Kaepernick.

Plus, about your acquaintance, how are you under the impression that he was submitting to the common social agenda? If it was explicit by him, or just understood between you two, fair enough. But still, is it unreasonable to appeal to your own social demographic following at his particular point? If so, is he under the threat of losing livelihood in such case? I mean, context shades things a bit here.

I totally agree that Twitter is an *******, and I would have no problem blaming them, but where is the baseline for consideration of taking responsibility for your own personal position?

Sounds like those close to her said she suffered from depression and maybe these comments were too much. I didn't take her comments as wrong or homophobic, she just had a preference of who she did her scenes with. Always sad when someone takes his/her own life.

I personally can't blame her for making the decision. I have no idea of the prevalence of HIV in the industry. As far little as I've heard, it's not so certain who does or does not have it. I could go on, but bottom line is that she might be totally right, and that would make the context completely different. The post itself is merely significantly homophobic though. It's the fact that he was judged just based on being gay in the industry. If she was warranted in her concerns, she sure didn't back it up that considerately.

I really don't want to come off arguing about the semantics too much, and it's probably a bit late for that. I think the social reaction was to a probable degree very drastic and insensible. That's on top of mental illness being a severely real circumstance even given subjective influence, and the world doesn't act in consideration to it on the norm, especially when people act out in their self-interest/understanding.

[Orlando1234977]

Thank you but, I actually watched The Founder recently with Michael Keaton recently, and it was actually pretty eye-opening. You should give it a watch.

Saw the trailer, looks good.

[whatevergirl]

I personally can't blame her for making the decision. I have no idea of the prevalence of HIV in the industry. As far little as I've heard, it's not so certain who does or does not have it. I could go on, but bottom line is that she might be totally right, and that would make the context completely different. The post itself is merely significantly homophobic though. It's the fact that he was judged just based on being gay in the industry. If she was warranted in her concerns, she sure didn't back it up that considerately.

I really don't want to come off arguing about the semantics too much, and it's probably a bit late for that. I think the social reaction was to a probable degree very drastic and insensible. That's on top of mental illness being a severely real circumstance even given subjective influence, and the world doesn't act in consideration to it on the norm, especially when people act out in their self-interest/understanding.

I understand the public's reaction, but when it comes to sex, she had a right to choose who she would want to do her scenes with, etc. and she shouldn't have been labeled negatively over it. Just my opinion.

[whatevergirl]

Going back to what we were talking about the other day with forums slowing down, it’s weird. Looking at all the different journals on here, those sections used to be so active. I wonder why everything slowed down …

[Dominik]

I understand the public's reaction, but when it comes to sex, she had a right to choose who she would want to do her scenes with, etc. and she shouldn't have been labeled negatively over it. Just my opinion.

Agreed. If we apply that scenario to Hollywood and a director says to a big name male actor "I've decided your character is going to have a sex scene with a man." If the actor declines is he homophobic? And if declining to do the scene becomes public knowledge should he be blackballed in the industry because of it? Raises some interesting questions.

Going back to what we were talking about the other day with forums slowing down, it’s weird. Looking at all the different journals on here, those sections used to be so active. I wonder why everything slowed down …

Could be the time of year. I've never really paid attention to it before but now it's obviously more noticeable. The only way to turn things around is to fix the mobile version and put a forum link on the main menu. Until that happens they're pissing in the wind. I also think it would benefit from having more subsections.

It's not my call but I'd like to see helpful contributors in the various sections earn store credits or discounts. Rewarding posters who put a lot of time in helping others and provide value to the place.

[whatevergirl]

Agreed. If we apply that scenario to Hollywood and a director says to a big name male actor "I've decided your character is going to have a sex scene with a man." If the actor declines is he homophobic? And if declining to do the scene becomes public knowledge should he be blackballed in the industry because of it? Raises some interesting questions.

The difference though being that in non-porn movies, there's just the illusion of sex going on...in porn, they're actually having sex, so I get what you're saying, but actually doing it, and acting out a scene as if you're doing it, are two different things. But, still...if there's kissing scenes, etc...would it be a problem? Good points.

Could be the time of year. I've never really paid attention to it before but now it's obviously more noticeable. The only way to turn things around is to fix the mobile version and put a forum link on the main menu. Until that happens they're pissing in the wind. I also think it would benefit from having more subsections.

It's not my call but I'd like to see helpful contributors in the various sections earn store credits or discounts. Rewarding posters who put a lot of time in helping others and provide value to the place.

Those would be great ideas.

I'm just feeling nostalgic, maybe.

[Orlando1234977]

I understand the public's reaction, but when it comes to sex, she had a right to choose who she would want to do her scenes with, etc. and she shouldn't have been labeled negatively over it. Just my opinion.

Only a very small portion of the public would have a problem with her stance, but they're very loud and very nasty.

I have Franziskaner Weissbier.

[whatevergirl]

Only a very small portion of the public would have a problem with her stance, but they're very loud and very nasty.

That's a good point, these types seem to dominate social media, and even the regular media. *shrug*

[Farley1324]

That's a good point, these types seem to dominate social media, and even the regular media. *shrug*

Probably because IRL it's hard to get a quantity of people together in one spot that won't just roll their eyes and walk away

[whatevergirl]

True ^^

I'm definitely against discrimination or hate speech, etc...like most people, I think. But, it just seems wrong to carry over discrimination into people's sex lives. It's really more of a chemistry thing, too. But, her committing suicide sounds like it didn't have much to do with this, although this could have been the final thing and she felt overwhelmed. It would be hard to be a celeb of any type, just so much scrutiny.

[im2manly]

I fukin hate when they keep shrimp tails on in entrees. Why do they do this?

[GeneralSerpant]

Agreed. If we apply that scenario to Hollywood and a director says to a big name male actor "I've decided your character is going to have a sex scene with a man." If the actor declines is he homophobic? And if declining to do the scene becomes public knowledge should he be blackballed in the industry because of it? Raises some interesting questions.

For the sake of the analogy, I'd say it is a rather generic sense. In context though, it's likely that the actor themselves is objecting on the grounds that he himself is not gay, not that the other actor is. It is indeed a considerably different context.

I understand the public's reaction, but when it comes to sex, she had a right to choose who she would want to do her scenes with, etc. and she shouldn't have been labeled negatively over it. Just my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, I think you got the opposite of what I was getting at. The public's reaction is out of hand, and I wasn't talking about her being obligated to choose to have sex with him. It's just that in her address, it was all about the danger that he imposed being a gay performer. It wasn't about him in particular or whether he actually had HIV or not. And it wasn't an address about the industry or anything, just him and her and how much he's in violating her security.

[GeneralSerpant]

I fukin hate when they keep shrimp tails on in entrees. Why do they do this?

Probably for more discretion in handling. Other than that it's probably just a novelty.

[im2manly]

Probably for more discretion in handling. Other than that it's probably just a novelty.

Well it pisses me off

[GeneralSerpant]

Well it pisses me off

Well you'll probably have to pay extra for them to pull it off for you. Don't hate the player hate the game.

[im2manly]

I forget if I told you guys my daughter was born. Well she was! 2 kids are no joke. That daycare payment is rough. I might bring someone in-house

Well you'll probably have to pay extra for them to pull it off for you. Don't hate the player hate the game.

I'd 100% do that.

[GeneralSerpant]

Alright. I got the rib roast. The next step is going to be to cook it, and I think eating it will come after that.

That daycare payment is rough. I might bring someone in-house

You mean someone like Darinaldi?

[GeneralSerpant]

Saw the trailer, looks good.

It is pretty good. There's not really any kinda themed message by the end or anything, it's just an account of how McDonald's became what it is. There's inaccuracies here and there, but I can't remember how they made much of a difference when talking to you about it. The movie gets cold at moments that are worth mention, but otherwise it's surrounded a lot by a general plot.

Only a very small portion of the public would have a problem with her stance, but they're very loud and very nasty.

Really, all they saw is a negative statement about a homosexual and they swarmed.

[Orlando1234977]

It is pretty good. There's not really any kinda themed message by the end or anything, it's just an account of how McDonald's became what it is. There's inaccuracies here and there, but I can't remember how they made much of a difference when talking to you about it. The movie gets cold at moments that are worth mention, but otherwise it's surrounded a lot by a general plot.


Really, all they saw is a negative statement about a homosexual and they swarmed.

ha saw it a couple nights ago. Not bad, wish they went into more detail on the marketing, but interesting. Original owners got hosed.

[ZoranM]

Sup bitchez.
How many are still active, like 4 or 5 ppl only?!

[Farley1324]

Sup bitchez.
How many are still active, like 4 or 5 ppl only?!

Myself, trollando, Dom, I guess manly posts sometimes, serpant started posted earlier this week...none of this qualifies as active, though.

[im2manly]

Sup bitchez.
How many are still active, like 4 or 5 ppl only?!

Oh wow I thought you were in jail!

[GeneralSerpant]

serpant started posted earlier this week...

This ^

[GeneralSerpant]

ha saw it a couple nights ago. Not bad, wish they went into more detail on the marketing, but interesting. Original owners got hosed.

Yeah for some reason I feel like it's a movie you could sink your teeth into. Not sure how the marketing would have enhanced it. A main point was how the chain got proliferated, and his motivations and methods were pretty clear. Also, like where he changes the shakes to powdered flavoring, it's a subtle point, but goes into the heart of how he was effective his operation was while swindling the founders at the same time.

[ZoranM]

Oh wow I thought you were in jail!

Nah, had a good lawyer

[GeneralSerpant]

Nah, had a good lawyer

Did he/she help prove that the public didn't have adequate means in legal terms to establish that you were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

[GeneralSerpant]

Great. I have a fully charged Iphone and a dying computer. I try to connect the computer to the phone but instead of the computer being charged by the phone, the phone drains out the battery of the computer. Typical Apple.