Are archeologists stupid or is there some grand consiparcy?

[TruKnight]

uh oh, op is onto us, must alert the cleanup crew...

[faxanadu]

those are some things hard to explain or poorly explained. even structures like Stonehenge shouldn't have been possible at its time.

I like how archeologist claim the Baalbek Stone (1200 tons) was moved miles and miles using wood and ropes.






Meanwhile we need things like this today to move 20,000 tons...

[MinisterOfLust]

Wait, op does not have a legit argument in this thread?

[crupiea]

The problem is that stupid. Scientists know good and well who built these monuments.

tv shows want to keep you ignorant.

Think about it. Egypt- ride around with chariots- have camels and agriculture so clearly use them for pulling carts.

tv tells you that slaves built pyramids without using the wheel. does that make sense? would it make sense if they used camels to pull the stones around and small cranes to put them in place?

[NMH]

Look up graham hancock if you havent heard of him op, some good books/podcasts about this subject

[Battlefury]

I like how archeologist claim the Baalbek Stone (1200 tons) was moved miles and miles using wood and ropes.






Meanwhile we need things like this today to move 20,000 tons...

Inn before the men in black knocks on OP's door.

[gtg]

Khajuraho, India

[DPBizzle]

LoL.

Meme material right thurr...

[IlChosenOne]

Olmec Civilization central/south america (1500 BCE) asian statues:

[img]http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/Images/countries/American%20pics/olmecwrestler.jpg[img]

Ah good, I needed something to fuel my nightmares tonight. This should do nicely.

[moksha16]

Love all the people that just regurgitate what they heard some teacher say out of a text book.

I love the people that watched some chitty ancient aliens show on 'the learning channel' and think they understand history. ..

[basshead444]

I agree with OP SRS

I think we've been the same since the dawn of man. Most people just believe popular conclusions held by people with authority but that doesn't mean they can't ever be retards, it is possible for research to be completely wrong.

Brb we share a common ancestor with chimps, orangutans and gorillas, but we're smart and they're all retards. We're the only species on the planet capable of actual abstract thought and aren't just acting on instinct, yet we are related to creatures completely beneath us like all the others. Logic of peace.

Not sure if srs...

[moksha16]

Look up graham hancock if you havent heard of him op, some good books/podcasts about this subject

and if by good you mean not good and hancock is a book salesman not a historian or archaeologist, he has ZERO peer reviewed research, training, credentials or access in either area .

[faxanadu]

The problem is that stupid. Scientists know good and well who built these monuments.

tv shows want to keep you ignorant.

Think about it. Egypt- ride around with chariots- have camels and agriculture so clearly use them for pulling carts.

tv tells you that slaves built pyramids without using the wheel. does that make sense? would it make sense if they used camels to pull the stones around and small cranes to put them in place?

Well the accepted time frame for building the great pyramid was 20 years. There are over 2.5 million stone blocks each weighing 2.5-15 tons. 2,500,000 blocks / 7300 days = 342 blocks a day. At a minimal estimate that is 856 tons of stone a day. At a maximal estimate that is 5,137 tons of stone a day.

At a minimum that is placing one of these per day:






... i just don't buy it. Especially when you take into account that absolute perfection of everything down to symmetry, orientation, mathematics, proportion, architecture, etc.

I think the idea that all these people had was the wheel and bronze tools is absurd.

[CommonPheasant]

I love the people that watched some chitty ancient aliens show on 'the learning channel' and think they understand history. ..

Everybody knows YouTube videos are better sources for knowledge than all that ****gy school and book learning!

[faxanadu]

I love the people that watched some chitty ancient aliens show on 'the learning channel' and think they understand history. ..

I like people like you that don't know how to use your brain.

[Decisionzzzz]

A lot can be accomplished with slaves, opie.

[adamsz]

Why does this misc tend to attract so many conspiracy theory retards?

I don't get it


In the OP I see a bunch of pics of.... stacked up stones. OP claims " ridiculous megalithic structures using astronomy, mathematics, and precision engineering that is unbelievable by even today's standards."

Nah mate, they just stacked some rocks on each other lol... even toddlers can do that, just on a much smaller scale.

[disphugginflip]

Both the excavation of the Indonesian megalithic pyramid and the supposed hidden chamber in the great pyramid that they just found have been held up for all kinds of BS reasons.

I really do fear that some of these experts just simply don't want to look like idiots. That or there might be some religious reasons why some of this stuff seems to be suppressed.

That shyt happens a lot. I remember watching a vid where these divers found something off the coast of spain. So the govt got involved, and had them live feed the the divers excavating the sea floor. As soon as the divers find something, they tell them to stop and thats enough excavating for the day.

[basshead444]

A lot can be accomplished with slaves, opie.

Not just slaves, but slaves that didnt know they were slaves; people that thought what they were doing was divine work. That is the secret of the pharaohs; how to convince people to do whatever you want, and have them smile as they do it.

[Decisionzzzz]

Not just slaves, but slaves that didnt know they were slaves; people that thought what they were doing was divine work. That is the secret of the pharaohs; how to convince people to do whatever you want, and have them smile as they do it.

Of course. That dogmatism still lives on to this day.

[Zerafian]

... i just don't buy it. Especially when you take into account that absolute perfection of everything down to symmetry, orientation, mathematics, proportion, architecture, etc.

I think the idea that all these people had was the wheel and bronze tools is absurd.

something more recent, the dark ages. When inventors were killed and their inventions destroyed due to religious fanatics, setting the world back 250-350 years technologically, not exclusively these acts determined the definition "dark ages". I dont think its too far-fetched to think that the technology used was destroyed...due to religion. Religion has a habit of destroying science, especially pre 1900s

Its funny people talk sh*t about the show "ancient alients". Its only people that have been studying these things their entire life and have put their heart and soul into the research. They will all come off with conviction and feel they have something intelligent to say. I find the show opens my mind to actually look at things a different way. People like that can seem a little eccentric due to how passionate they are. The misc is full of teenagers though and thats a pretty adult thing to understand. I can see why most people just think they are nut jobs...simple minded children or that of a less developed brain.

It really does speak to how simple minded people are when almost all would just look at it and state the simplest answer...slaves. The thought process of the masses is slow and dim-witted. Life doesnt advance staying inside that box and finding out about things like this require people that are smart enough to expand beyond it instead of being a simple minded sheep.

[basshead444]

Of course. That dogmatism still lives on to this day.

They never died and took their secrets with them, they moved out into the rest of the world and continue their work to this day.

[faxanadu]

Why does this misc tend to attract so many conspiracy theory retards?

I don't get it


In the OP I see a bunch of pics of.... stacked up stones. OP claims " ridiculous megalithic structures using astronomy, mathematics, and precision engineering that is unbelievable by even today's standards."

Nah mate, they just stacked some rocks on each other lol... even toddlers can do that, just on a much smaller scale.

Ummm no they didn't just stack stones on top of each other.







Same metal clamp technique used all over the world...

[adamsz]

Ummm no they didn't just stack stones on top of each other.

[img]http://img.theepochtimes.com/n3/eet-content/uploads/2013/09/WEB-ONLY-peru-shutterstock_60093427-630x450.jpg[img]

[img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c6/61/5f/c6615fb847dcba03eb29981a64a24d4c.jpg[img]


Same metal clamp technique used all over the world...

[img]http://www.messagetoeagle.com/images2/ancientmetalclamps.jpg[/mg]

Yes, it's amazing what people can accomplish when they don't sit around on their phones/computers for 4-16 hours/day

[faxanadu]

something more recent, the dark ages. When inventors were killed and their inventions destroyed due to religious fanatics, setting the world back 250-350 years technologically, not exclusively these acts determined the definition "dark ages". I dont think its too far-fetched to think that the technology used was destroyed...due to religion. Religion has a habit of destroying science, especially pre 1900s

Its funny people talk sh*t about the show "ancient alients". Its only people that have been studying these things their entire life and have put their heart and soul into the research. They will all come off with conviction and feel they have something intelligent to say. I find the show opens my mind to actually look at things a different way.

It really does speak to how simple minded people are when almost all would just look at it and state the simplest answer...slaves. The thought process of the masses is slow and dim-witted. Life doesnt advance staying inside that box and finding out about things like this require people that are smart enough to expand beyond it instead of being a simple minded sheep.

I was surprised to find out that one of the oldest remains in North America was found in Texas decades ago (Horn Shelter Man). I went to the museum (really small) and it blew my mind. The facial reconstruction looks more European than anything. Then you look at Kennewick man and others and they all look European. But all of this stuff seems to fly under the radar and is hardly reported.... almost on an agenda level.

I remember when Gobekli Tepe was unearthed and the Antikythera mechanism was found... historians were all like, "Whoops... guess we were wrong... Hey look over there... scribble scribble... all good."

It's almost ridiculous how poorly explained things are.

[Nicklol]

Yeah..its pretty funny how they find some rock..and then try to convince us..it was from a "dinosaur" LMFAO..and then they try to act like they know how old it is..THIS ROCK IS 40,000 YEARS OLD!! SHOCKING DISCOVERY!

I love when I see a news article about some "scientists" discovering there are like 3 billion undiscovered planets or some stupid sht..
Yeah..you totally know that..yet we cant cure balding..lmfao

[Zerafian]

watch the worlds strongest man if you want to see a single man attempt to pull 40 tons. Brian shaw is probably 3-4x as strong as a single slave would have been, easily.

When these guys pull these trucks and hit a 1-2 degree incline, they stop within literally 2-3 seconds. Saying that because from all the history book depictions they have the slaves dragging these huge fuking stones, up to triple digit tons, up a 20-30 degree hill. Id love to see the wooden foundations that were able to hold that weight....

So just imagine that truck being a block of stone, setting on a wooden platform, on stone wheels, being pulled on an abrasive sand or dirt ground and then up a 20-30 degree incline wooden ramp...lol slaves, are you fuking kidding me. They played a part for sure but they werent dragging those stones up 5-6 ramps putting them in place precisely.

I was surprised to find out that one of the oldest remains in North America was found in Texas decades ago (Horn Shelter Man). I went to the museum (really small) and it blew my mind. The facial reconstruction looks more European than anything. Then you look at Kennewick man and others and they all look European. But all of this stuff seems to fly under the radar and is hardly reported.... almost on an agenda level.

I remember when Gobekli Tepe was unearthed and the Antikythera mechanism was found... historians were all like, "Whoops... guess we were wrong... Hey look over there... scribble scribble... all good."

It's almost ridiculous how poorly explained things are.

I dont research this stuff or read much about it but theres always more to something then the average person will be told, especially when it comes to this kinda thing. All we learned was from grade school, from teachers taught in the 70s and 80s. ..repeat the cycle earlier and ealier. The same sh*t has been taught for so long. History books dont get updated very often so we get all this 70,80,90, 100+ year old information, why the hell should we just assume that its correct. I was taught between 89-2002, learning from books fuking printed in the 60s sometimes. Originally written years before that probably. Should I consider myself more intelligent adhering to that old information when in 2016, we are learning new things on a daily basis almost?

In the end I dont care if Im right or wrong, the idea is to EXPLORE options and investigate its validity. Instead of being.

"oh..well thats what I know, my 10th grade teacher told me and I saw the pictures in my world history book, uh yep uh yep uh yep durrrr". Even miscers are afraid of disagreeing with the popular idea because they might get insulted by strangers on the internet..sad.

[Phobaphobia]

watch the worlds strongest man if you want to see a single man attempt to pull 40 tons. Brian shaw is probably 3-4x as strong as a single slave would have been, easily.

When these guys pull these trucks and hit a 1-2 degree incline, they stop within literally 2-3 seconds. Saying that because from all the history book depictions they have the slaves dragging these huge fuking stones, up to triple digit tons, up a 20-30 degree hill. Id love to see the wooden foundations that were able to hold that weight....

So just imagine that truck being a block of stone, setting on a wooden platform, on stone wheels, being pulled on an abrasive sand or dirt ground and then up a 20-30 degree incline wooden ramp...lol slaves, are you fuking kidding me. They played a part for sure but they werent dragging those stones up 5-6 ramps putting them in place precisely.




I dont research this stuff or read much about it but theres always more to something then the average person will be told, especially when it comes to this kinda thing. All we learned was from grade school, from teachers taught in the 70s and 80s. ..repeat the cycle earlier and ealier. The same sh*t has been taught for so long. History books dont get updated very often so we get all this 70,80,90, 100+ year old information, why the hell should we just assume that its correct. I was taught between 89-2002, learning from books fuking printed in the 60s sometimes. Originally written years before that probably. Should I consider myself more intelligent adhering to that old information when in 2016, we are learning new things on a daily basis almost?

In the end I dont care if Im right or wrong, the idea is to EXPLORE options and investigate its validity. Instead of being.

"oh..well thats what I know, my 10th grade teacher told me and I saw the pictures in my world history book, uh yep uh yep uh yep durrrr". Even miscers are afraid of disagreeing with the popular idea because they might get insulted by strangers on the internet..sad.

So how did they move the stones? Srs

[C-Winger]

something more recent, the dark ages. When inventors were killed and their inventions destroyed due to religious fanatics, setting the world back 250-350 years technologically, not exclusively these acts determined the definition "dark ages". I dont think its too far-fetched to think that the technology used was destroyed...due to religion. Religion has a habit of destroying science, especially pre 1900s

Its funny people talk sh*t about the show "ancient alients". Its only people that have been studying these things their entire life and have put their heart and soul into the research. They will all come off with conviction and feel they have something intelligent to say. I find the show opens my mind to actually look at things a different way. People like that can seem a little eccentric due to how passionate they are. The misc is full of teenagers though and thats a pretty adult thing to understand. I can see why most people just think they are nut jobs...simple minded children or that of a less developed brain.

It really does speak to how simple minded people are when almost all would just look at it and state the simplest answer...slaves. The thought process of the masses is slow and dim-witted. Life doesnt advance staying inside that box and finding out about things like this require people that are smart enough to expand beyond it instead of being a simple minded sheep.

Not sure if serious...

The simplest answer would be some superior and imagined being doing it while the logical adult answer would be saying what fits in the frame work of what is known and accepted by thousands of scholars on the subject at the time.

We've done the whole "superior/supernatural being" thing before.
Everything that exists? It was the god(s).
Have a headache? Must be demons.
Bad weather? Must be witches.
Extremely difficult tasks performed? Must be aliens.

Now I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm just saying that you can't be serious about your comment where "slaves" is the simple and dumb answer.
Brb knowing that A leads to B and B leads to C, C probably leads to D is a simple and dim-witted way of thinking...
Brb knowing the above but saying it leads to 3 is the logical and adult answer...

[faxanadu]

So how did they move the stones? Srs

Archeologist claim by wheel/wood/rope.

I doubt that was what people used to move things like this:



Or way up in the mountains of south america...