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    Football player, I have to lose fat

    I'm 5'7-5'8 playing football. I weigh 158 lbs and bench 200 lbs. I squat 305 lbs. I'm 17-18% body fat and I need to shed some of that off to paly receiver/safety/corner. Tips please? What to do? I only have 3 months until the summer and my goal is 375 squat(I'm a beginner lifter) and 235 on the bench. I need to be fast though and I can't be too flabby(which I am)
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    First. Why do you need to lose fat? You're pretty light as it is. If you want to be fast you need to work on your speed and 17-18% fat isn't that fatty. Fat is lost through caloric deficit to TDEE which means you're not going to be increasing muscle mass with your weight training. Strength sure, but gaining 75lbs to your squat is going to be a stretch in 3 months. I'd also ask if at age 16 you're getting proper depth on your 305 squat or it's a typical high school, quartersquat, ego lift. (Note: I'm not saying this is you, perhaps you're an outlier)

    Regardless, it sounds like your goal is speed. Work on that. Losing fat isn't going to make you faster if you're not putting in the time to improve your speed via drills and training.
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    Get strong, build muscle, gain lean mass. Fat will automatically reduce. Eat quilty foods and eat lots of it. Find out your caloric intake needed to maintain body weight (online calculators are usually close enough) and add 500 calories to that. I know I know, you "wanna lose fat" and get those sick killer abs that make the girls swoon. But at 5'9 abs at 150 will make you look like a meth addict most likely. Gain weight, eat right., become a good football player, get strong as hell and looks and leaness will follow.
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    to short for reciever and corner....? how you gonna lock down a 6ft+ reciever?? same thing, a 5'11 corner will lock you down easily by just being much taller than you
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    Originally Posted by SamFort View Post
    to short for reciever and corner....? how you gonna lock down a 6ft+ reciever?? same thing, a 5'11 corner will lock you down easily by just being much taller than you
    Its high school ball . . . .
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    Originally Posted by DCSpartan View Post
    Its high school ball . . . .
    if he play varsity theirs some big azz dudes he has to go against
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    Originally Posted by SamFort View Post
    if he play varsity theirs some big azz dudes he has to go against
    still high school... perfect body measurements are not needed to play.
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    Originally Posted by SamFort View Post
    to short for reciever and corner....? how you gonna lock down a 6ft+ reciever?? same thing, a 5'11 corner will lock you down easily by just being much taller than you
    My school's team had like 5 recievers this year, our main was 5'9 , 2nd 5'7. one was 5'5 and played both cb and wr, anybody can play if they can catch, if your short just jump, I've seen it done.
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    Building that lean mass for corner is most important incorporate plyometrics footwork and running into your workouts. Keep your normal calorie intake maybe it cut by 200-300 every 3weeks but absorb as much protein to keep building muscle
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    Originally Posted by cIrish56 View Post
    Building that lean mass for corner is most important incorporate plyometrics footwork and running into your workouts. Keep your normal calorie intake maybe it cut by 200-300 every 3weeks but absorb as much protein to keep building muscle
    You cannot gain mass at a caloric deficit. So no, if you cut your calories and create a deficit you would not keep building muscle mass regardless of how much protein you take in.
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    Originally Posted by cIrish56 View Post
    Building that lean mass for corner is most important incorporate plyometrics footwork and running into your workouts. Keep your normal calorie intake maybe it cut by 200-300 every 3weeks but absorb as much protein to keep building muscle
    there will be no to very little muscle mass gain when you cut calories. High protein intake on a cut just helps to maintain muscle mass... a calorie deficit is catabolic.
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    Originally Posted by lucia316 View Post
    You cannot gain mass at a caloric deficit. So no, if you cut your calories and create a deficit you would keep building muscle mass regardless of how much protein you take in.
    truth.
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    if he play varsity theirs some big azz dudes he has to go against
    I love these high schools with estats better than NFL teams.
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    Originally Posted by DCSpartan View Post
    I love these high schools with estats better than NFL teams.
    They're huge and lift as much as college players with strict form. They also eat small children and kick puppies.
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    Originally Posted by DCSpartan View Post
    I love these high schools with estats better than NFL teams.
    6A high schools in Texas, Florida and California, etc. will have "big azz dudes" on the field. Been to one of these games lately?
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    Originally Posted by mrick40 View Post
    6A high schools in Texas, Florida and California, etc. will have "big azz dudes" on the field. Been to one of these games lately?
    There are always outliers, but those are the exceptions, not the rule when having a discussion like this.
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    Originally Posted by lucia316 View Post
    There are always outliers, but those are the exceptions, not the rule when having a discussion like this.
    Of course Lucia is from Loomis, CA (pop 6000) in the middle of nowhere in northern CA, so he is somehow an expert on the large classification high school football in Texas, Florida and SoCal.

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    Of course Lucia is from Loomis, CA (pop 6000) in the middle of nowhere in northern CA, so he is somehow an expert on the large classification high school football in Texas, Florida and SoCal.

    Know your facts before you post .
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    I thought u left bb. com ? u said you'll leave because football threads always get moved or locked.
    Where do you play football at?

    Haha you keep hurting yourself by your workout program. Your the last one to be giving advice to anyone. Maybe Lucia should set you up with a program. He is after all from Loomis. He knows his stuff. Haha
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    Of course Lucia is from Loomis, CA (pop 6000) in the middle of nowhere in northern CA, so he is somehow an expert on the large classification high school football in Texas, Florida and SoCal.

    Know your facts before you post .
    I'm flattered that you dug so deeply into where I live. Sadly, I've lived all over the country including the SF Bay Area (grew up there), lived in Seattle area for 7 years, New Orleans, Dallas for 4 years. I also played at a large classification high school way back in the day, so yeah, I think I know a little something about it. Regardless of size of high school, teenagers just aren't normally that big. The big ones are outliers.
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    Originally Posted by lucia316 View Post
    I'm flattered that you dug so deeply into where I live. Sadly, I've lived all over the country including the SF Bay Area (grew up there), lived in Seattle area for 7 years, New Orleans, Dallas for 4 years. I also played at a large classification high school way back in the day, so yeah, I think I know a little something about it. Regardless of size of high school, teenagers just aren't normally that big. The big ones are outliers.
    When you have schools with 4K to 5K in those states there will be several D1 or D2 size players on the field. With all the places you've lived you should know that.

    That was my original post if you go back and read it. More than just outliers. It's probably been awhile since you've seen a big time high school program now. You'd be surprised .
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    Originally Posted by mrick40 View Post
    When you have schools with 4K to 5K in those states there will be several D1 or D2 size players on the field. With all the places you've lived you should know that.

    That was my original post if you go back and read it. More than just outliers. It's probably been awhile since you've seen a big time high school program now. You'd be surprised .
    I think it's cute that you have a lock on "big time high school football," like that's overall important to the discussion in age where we can look up rosters and see reported sizes. Outliers in general are still outliers. Generalizing based on outliers is specious at best, nor is it really relevant.

    Further, you talk about 6A high schools in CA. Divisions in CA don't work like TX. Division VI-AA in CA are small schools. In fact, for the 2015 season CA expanded 5 divisions (D I - IV + Open) to 13 divisions (with two open divisions). Not that I particularly care, but if you want to take a look at who won the DII-AA division it may be interesting to you since you seemed to have an issue with someone from a town of 6000 like Loomis.

    Bottom line, I don't get a woody over high school football like some folks do. I'm just here to help kids and a lot of ridiculous outliers get thrown around and create unrealistic situations for young athletes. Maybe OP will never play a down of high school football. Maybe he'll play D1 or pro ball. Perhaps he'll pop up at a D3 or NAIA program in college. In this thread we had a kid asking about losing fat and it turned into "THEREZ BIG AZZ DUDES OUT THERE N HIGH SKOOL BROS" because one kid doesn't know what he's talking about.
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    Where do you play football at?

    Haha you keep hurting yourself by your workout program. Your the last one to be giving advice to anyone. Maybe Lucia should set you up with a program. He is after all from Loomis. He knows his stuff. Haha
    dafuq.
    dont talk to me like that *******.

    i asked a simple question that had no content that could offend you in any way.
    still u say i have no knowledge of training...

    the workout programs i designed are very sound and build on principles i learned from famous coaches..
    but i guess u know more than them since you are some random dude on the internet that laughs at other people getting injured. poverty human being.

    how's my advice in any way wrong? because I am injured my advice is not legit? knowledge dissipates with injury, is that correct?

    u have no respect or honor. smh. leave, pls.
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    Originally Posted by kingmode View Post
    dafuq.
    dont talk to me like that .......

    i asked a simple question that had no content that could offend you in any way.
    still u say i have no knowledge of training...

    the workout programs i designed are very sound and build on principles i learned from famous coaches..
    but i guess u know more than them since you are some random dude on the internet that laughs at other people getting injured. poverty human being.

    how's my advice in any way wrong? because I am injured my advice is not legit? knowledge dissipates with injury, is that correct?

    u have no respect or honor. smh. leave, pls.
    Meh. I wouldn't let him get you all butthurt and two no avis getting all pissy at each other about unknown workout programs is a bit silly. As silly as Captain Coolguy the high school football expert. Know that he was more likely trying to send a dig at me, not you.

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    Who is this new mod that is moving all the football posts? Looks like I'll join krakerz and end line and quit this site......too bad we were one of the few that knew what we were talking about

    Out of here
    Guess he couldn't really stay away. Too much high school football to talk about.
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    Meh. I wouldn't let him get you all butthurt and two no avis getting all pissy at each other about unknown workout programs is a bit silly. As silly as Captain Coolguy the high school football expert. Know that he was more likely trying to send a dig at me, not you.

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    Guess he couldn't really stay away. Too much high school football to talk about.
    Ay man. I'm actually on your side.. so the no avi low blow was not necessary nor helping.
    If I was aesthetic enough I'd have an avi. I'm not so I dont have one.. as ez as that.
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    Ay man. I'm actually on your side.. so the no avi low blow was not necessary nor helping.
    If I was aesthetic enough I'd have an avi. I'm not so I dont have one.. as ez as that.
    The point of my no avi comment was that you're both fully anonymous so it really shouldn't matter. It's not a low blow, it's just a fact. You're both anonymous and he has no idea of how you train. But hey, he's a big high school football buff that doesn't know as much as he thinks he knows, so he has that going for him.
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    Originally Posted by lucia316 View Post
    The point of my no avi comment was that you're both fully anonymous so it really shouldn't matter. It's not a low blow, it's just a fact. You're both anonymous and he has no idea of how you train. But hey, he's a big high school football buff that doesn't know as much as he thinks he knows, so he has that going for him.
    Okay, it's all good.

    I mean it's shyt that people are arguing but at least the sports section is getting some buzz again.
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    Okay, it's all good.

    I mean it's shyt that people are arguing but at least the sports section is getting some buzz again.

    You still didn't answer my question and I stand by my original post.

    And yes this thread is about high school football. I can post on any topics about D1 college football and Arena football as well, since I played them both..... If you two have any questions.
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    Originally Posted by mrick40 View Post
    You still didn't answer my question and I stand by my original post.

    And yes this thread is about high school football. I can post on any topics about D1 college football and Arena football as well, since I played them both..... If you two have any questions.
    Cool story bro. It's like you have a lock on football and playing beyond high school.

    And then, you still aren't 100% versed and like to talk about outliers as being generally true.
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