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    Rogue gymnast rings or the matador?

    Which would you get? I want the matador but someone's selling the rings (steel) for $40 on craigslist and I'm tempted to get them instead. I don't really foresee myself getting both so I'm trying to figure out which would provide more muscular bang for the buck.
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    i'm not sure but i thought wooden rings are supposedly better than metal?

    olympic ring dips are no joke and they beat you the hell up. for only $40, why not give them a shot and then get the matador if you're unsatisfied?
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    I have both. I think the Matador is ultimately the better tool, as you can move more weight with it. However, there is definitely a place for both.

    The rings will take more practice to get good at, and you won't be able to move as much weight, but you will need to work harder to stabilize yourself, and there is value in that.
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    i bought the rings cuz i figured i could do dips on them, and maybe i can do a couple before my arms give out.

    on the other hand i've found that doing push ups with elevated feet and the olympic rings sets my abs on fire like nothing else. also they're nice for inverted rows.

    though honestly i haven't used them in a while...i'm thinking about giving them to a friend.
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    Originally Posted by Domicron View Post
    i'm not sure but i thought wooden rings are supposedly better than metal?

    olympic ring dips are no joke and they beat you the hell up. for only $40, why not give them a shot and then get the matador if you're unsatisfied?
    I'd imagine the wood feeling better than the steel. I may end up getting them to try them out but I've been throwing a lot of money around to the point of frivolousness so I'm trying to reign that in a bit.


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    I have both. I think the Matador is ultimately the better tool, as you can move more weight with it. However, there is definitely a place for both.

    The rings will take more practice to get good at, and you won't be able to move as much weight, but you will need to work harder to stabilize yourself, and there is value in that.
    Yeah I kinda figured something like that. I'm leaning towards the matador but since the rings won't take up any space I still might end up getting them too and then be thrifty after that.
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    I do ring dips until failure then move over to the dips bars and crank out some reps. Both movements have their place.
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    I think the Matador is a better tool for building/power/strength. If that's your priority, I'd grab that first for sure.
    If you are thinking of branching out now/soon into some special variants to work on stabilization...maybe the rings make more sense.

    For me I love and respond very well to dips. While not essential as a rack/weight/bar/bench it immediately follows along with a pull-up bar. The first standalone thing I got (Bodysolid Dip Rack). All that said I don't own rings, not sure they'd fit with my low ceilings, and honestly I've messed around with a friend's and joined him on a few exercises so can't truly speak to all of their benefits but I can see some use working them in periodically for stabilization/special work etc....

    As an aside I can vouch for Rogue's dip belt. Perfect fit/chain length and decently cheap. I've used a ton of dip belts over the years and this is as good as any and better than nearly all.
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    The Matador was at the exact wrong angles for me no matter where I gripped the bar, and just destroyed my shoulders. I prefer slight angles or parallel. Ring dips are a different animal altogether, and to me, do not feel at all like regular dips. I feel them much more in my shoulders, and stabilizers than chest or triceps.
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    Originally Posted by C123C View Post
    I think the Matador is a better tool for building/power/strength. If that's your priority, I'd grab that first for sure.

    For me I love and respond very well to dips. While not essential as a rack/weight/bar/bench it immediately follows along with a pull-up bar. The first standalone thing I got (Bodysolid Dip Rack). All that said I don't own rings, not sure they'd fit with my low ceilings, and honestly I've messed around with a friend's and joined him on a few exercises so can't truly speak to all of their benefits but I can see some use working them in periodically for stabilization/special work etc....
    As an aside I can vouch for Rogue's dip belt. Perfect fit/chain length and decently cheap. I've used a ton of dip belts over the years and this is as good as any and better than nearly all.
    Yeah my priority is building strength and size so the matador seems like the better first choice. I have some dip belt I ordered off amazon that got a lot of good reviews which I rather like: http://www.amazon.com/Harbinger-2890...ilpage_o02_s00


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    The Matador was at the exact wrong angles for me no matter where I gripped the bar, and just destroyed my shoulders. I prefer slight angles or parallel. Ring dips are a different animal altogether, and to me, do not feel at all like regular dips. I feel them much more in my shoulders, and stabilizers than chest or triceps.
    Hmmm, that's actually really useful to know. I believe that I also prefer parallel or slight angle for my dip bar placement. Well ****. Maybe I'll just get this thing and further clutter my home gym space: http://www.amazon.com/Yaheetech-Para...ds=dip+station
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    I have both and get more use out of the matador because I can use more weight and it's much easier on my shoulders.
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    I had rings and quickly got rid of them. They are an inferior tool for building size and strength.

    The only people that should be using them are gymnasts who compete on the rings and xfitters who are trying to go to the games.
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    I have the same problem with the matador,i dont like it at all.
    I sold my Body solid dip for this matador,which i regret.

    Doing only ring dips these days.

    If you wanna buy a Matador, try before you buy............

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    The Matador was at the exact wrong angles for me no matter where I gripped the bar, and just destroyed my shoulders. I prefer slight angles or parallel. Ring dips are a different animal altogether, and to me, do not feel at all like regular dips. I feel them much more in my shoulders, and stabilizers than chest or triceps.
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    Originally Posted by MdeJ75 View Post
    I have the same problem with the matador,i dont like it at all.
    I sold my Body solid dip for this matador,which i regret.

    Doing only ring dips these days.

    If you wanna buy a Matador, try before you buy............
    Yeah that's my fear, although it's not easy to try the Matador before buying since I live in cali.
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    Hey man, just wanted to chime in and give my vote for the rings. They are a valuable tool.

    This is the tail end of a session I did the other day.


    And you can absolutely add resistance in time with proper progression.

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    Originally Posted by JohnButz View Post
    Hey man, just wanted to chime in and give my vote for the rings. They are a valuable tool.

    This is the tail end of a session I did the other day.


    And you can absolutely add resistance in time with proper progression.

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    I am also particular on hand placement width on dips. I like a standalone unit, I have the BS also, and like being able to choose a little wider spacing words the wider side or be able to go narrower if needed on the opposite side. They do take up some room, but are very easy to move around. On a side note, not to derail, the BS is very nice, but in retrospect there seems to be a lot of very equivalent ones that are much less money, I haven't actually used them and am happy with the Body Solid, but based onaoearance they can be had for a bit over $100.00 in some of the off brands
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    I have the matador and like it. That is what I would go with. I can see how some people have problems with the angles of the handles though.
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    Yeah considering I've had some sensitivity to angles before I'd guess there's a likelihood I'll find a problem with the matador. It's unfortunate I can't check one out beforehand.
    I'll probably get a dedicated dip station first then get some rings. I was checking out that bodysolid one but I think the footprint is just a tad too large for my space.
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    Originally Posted by rollerball View Post

    I was checking out that bodysolid one but I think the footprint is just a tad too large for my space.
    Get a wall mounted folding unit. Takes up no floor space at all.

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    Get a wall mounted folding unit. Takes up no floor space at all.

    That's a cool looking piece of kit for sure.
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    Originally Posted by daniel327 View Post
    Get a wall mounted folding unit. Takes up no floor space at all.

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    I did a quick search. Can this be purchased in the US at all? I want to bookmark it in case I ever need space and want to swap out my Bodysolid station.
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    I did a quick search. Can this be purchased in the US at all? I want to bookmark it in case I ever need space and want to swap out my Bodysolid station.
    I would think that Rogue or NYBB would make one, or you could get one made.
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    Originally Posted by rlundregan View Post
    I would think that Rogue or NYBB would make one, or you could get one made.
    Rogue does make The Strip: http://www.roguefitness.com/the-strip
    It doesn't fold down like the other one, but it allows you to put other accessories on it.
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    Originally Posted by rollerball View Post
    Yeah my priority is building strength and size so the matador seems like the better first choice. I have some dip belt I ordered off amazon that got a lot of good reviews which I rather like: http://www.amazon.com/Harbinger-2890...ilpage_o02_s00
    That's a very solid dip belt. I never realized it had such good reviews on Amazon, but I can say mine has held up without any issues for the past 5 years. Even put around 150#s on it without any problems.

    I have both rings and dip handles. I would suggest getting both if possible, as they can be used for different exercises. Rings for dips, weighted dips, muscle ups, planches, inverse rows, etc. Dip handles/matador for dips and weighted dips.
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    The rings have one huge advantage over the Matador (or fixed-bar dips in general) in the way that they work the stabilizer muscles of the shoulder girdle. I like to think of it along the lines of free weights vs a smith machine, although not a true apples-to-apples comparison. Get both, use the rings for pre-hab, the Matador for going heavy. If both aren't in the budget, you can DYI an equivalent to the rings for <$10. Or, if you have two bars, just lay them across your safeties. Now that I think about it, this might not be a bad way to try and see if the Matador's angles cause you any grief before you buy.
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    I'll vote for the rings. I can do more weight and its easier on the dip bar, but who here likes easy? The rings force you to work the whole shoulder area (pecs, lats, delts) and and stability. Harder to do, but seems to have longer term health benefits - just be careful on form. Great to rotate with pull/chin ups - I do 5x10 for each after squats. I like the body weight push/pull work after squats. Enjoy.
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    Originally Posted by waynefulano View Post
    The rings have one huge advantage over the Matador (or fixed-bar dips in general) in the way that they work the stabilizer muscles of the shoulder girdle. I like to think of it along the lines of free weights vs a smith machine, although not a true apples-to-apples comparison. Get both, use the rings for pre-hab, the Matador for going heavy. If both aren't in the budget, you can DYI an equivalent to the rings for <$10. Or, if you have two bars, just lay them across your safeties. Now that I think about it, this might not be a bad way to try and see if the Matador's angles cause you any grief before you buy.
    Originally Posted by congore View Post
    I'll vote for the rings. I can do more weight and its easier on the dip bar, but who here likes easy? The rings force you to work the whole shoulder area (pecs, lats, delts) and and stability. Harder to do, but seems to have longer term health benefits - just be careful on form. Great to rotate with pull/chin ups - I do 5x10 for each after squats. I like the body weight push/pull work after squats. Enjoy.
    Agreed on the great benefit to the shoulder girdle and I have to say rings seem to activate more chest for me than any conventional barbell/dumbbell movement.
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