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02-27-2016, 06:46 PM #61
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02-27-2016, 10:06 PM #62
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02-27-2016, 11:44 PM #63
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02-27-2016, 11:51 PM #64
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02-28-2016, 02:55 AM #65
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02-28-2016, 02:58 AM #66
If there are interests involved, you are better off not believe anyone.
http://ergo-log.com/old-fashioned-ca...ays-rival.htmlFuack science! Show me what you can do under the bar. That's where it's at
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02-28-2016, 03:23 AM #67
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02-28-2016, 10:11 AM #68
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02-28-2016, 10:23 AM #69
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02-28-2016, 11:22 AM #70
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02-28-2016, 04:06 PM #71
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02-29-2016, 03:22 AM #72
I went to the future and retrieved this study:
"The Sobering Limits of Natty Supplementation": A cost-effectiveness study repudiating an overzealous attempt to maximize muscle protein synthesis for the gainz
Abstract
30 genetically engineered bio-identical healthy human male clones (aged 25) at intermediate level of training ( 2 years of regular training 4 times a week) were selected and randomly allotted into 3 groups of 10 subjects to evaluate the cost effectiveness and sanity of a supplementation protocol and its effects on muscle hypertrophy (LBM) and or performance.
Methodology
---Group 1 (SUPPNOOBS) protocol included supplementation of β-hydroxy β-methylbutyrate (HMB-fa), Phosphatidic acid (PA), Leukic acid (HICA), as directed on labels, and 50g BCAAS divided in 5 doses [5g pre breakfast , 5g between breakfast and lunch, 15g pre workout, 15g post workout, 10g in between dinner and breakfast] based on the protein refraction theory.
---GROUP 2 (NUTMISC) received no supplementation
---GROUP 3 (CONTROL) received no supplementation and did not lift.
All clones were given a 2 week wash out period to phase out any previous supplementation saturation levels, and were prescribed a detraining period (passive rest) of 2 weeks prior to the start of the study. SUPPNOOBS and NUTMISC were put on push/legs/pull twice a week routine with a rest day in between. Exercise programming was based on literature on optimal repetition ranges for hypertrophy: 40 total reps per muscle group, per session. All clones were put on an identical hypercaloric diet: (protein 1.1xLBM; fat diet 0.45xLBM; carbohydrate 2.7xLBM) and caloric expenditure and sleep was tracked via state-of-the-art monitoring device.
Results
After 12 weeks, fan-beam dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA) revealed SUPPNOOBS and NUTMISC experience identical gains in LBM and fat mass, consistent with rate of gainz (0.5-1% total body weight per month) monitored prior to this study. CONTROL GROUP accrued disproportionately higher fat mass.
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02-29-2016, 05:44 AM #73
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02-29-2016, 08:57 AM #74
I will start with I have not once used HMB in any form
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2016...ality.html?m=1
Non-significant only due to the fact that the sample size ended up being too small, since half the sample dropped out (it was very grueling training and they were also sleep deprived): It's also been pointed out that the peak concentration with HMB-FA may play a factor rather than total bioavailability (Ca is better for total bioavailability, but it's very possible that what we do want is a higher and faster peak during training)
Thoughts? This looked pretty promising.-- Microwaves everyday crew --
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02-29-2016, 09:00 AM #75
Better question for me is are the benefits of hmb worth the cost
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I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate...
Disclaimer: The above post is my personal opinion and does not represent the official position of any company or entity. It does not constitute medical advice.
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02-29-2016, 09:10 AM #76
It's to far reaching and could be applied to any "supplement" most do very little ( nothing ) and cost is individual as is worth. I have used a LOT of good bro hyped things ( many costing as much or more than HMB ) which did next to nothing for me, and I never spoke of them or bought them again.
Fair point however but still of interest as to what it could offer/benefit or provide-- Microwaves everyday crew --
-- 175+ lbs Lost Crew --
"If you don't like snickerdoodle, you're wrong"
XF addict 4 lyfe also eats more Lamb than Lebanese Jesus
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02-29-2016, 10:53 AM #77
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02-29-2016, 11:41 AM #78
Last edited by powercage; 02-29-2016 at 11:49 AM.
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I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate...
Disclaimer: The above post is my personal opinion and does not represent the official position of any company or entity. It does not constitute medical advice.
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02-29-2016, 12:58 PM #79
This is true.
IMO, people just need to try it for themselves to truly understand if it is going to benefit them or not. Studies say one thing or another (which we all know).
I would honestly say for the most part, individuals running HMB do not train hard enough to even benefit.PEScience Representative
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02-29-2016, 01:10 PM #80
Let me put it this way, Im open to it having benefits. Im just skeptical at this point due to variance in research
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I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate...
Disclaimer: The above post is my personal opinion and does not represent the official position of any company or entity. It does not constitute medical advice.
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02-29-2016, 01:15 PM #81
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02-29-2016, 01:55 PM #82
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02-29-2016, 04:15 PM #83
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02-29-2016, 04:31 PM #84
Here is my 2 cents on hmb-fa I did the full 3 month cycle with clear muscle and I did see improved recovery and some strength gains especially in the lower body, in terms of weight gain that come from a calorie surplus and as long your calories are high you will see weight gain not sure why people keep saying its because of supplements
After the 3 months I replaced it with bcaa mix with HICA and the recovery was the same I am still getting strength gains, so does hmb-fa work as a recovery supplement the answer is yes now is it better than the other recovery supplements on the market the answer is no.
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02-29-2016, 05:18 PM #85
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04-29-2016, 06:45 AM #86
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04-29-2016, 06:55 AM #87
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05-09-2016, 12:05 PM #88
Brad threw up a post on FB stating final proofs of our letter to the editor at JISSN questioning the findings of the recent study that found body composition benefits to consuming BCAAs should be up in the next few days.
"The data does not seem to support a benefit of BCAA supplementation during periods of caloric restriction"PEScience Representative
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05-09-2016, 12:56 PM #89
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05-10-2016, 10:13 AM #90
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