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    Arrow Brad Schoenfeld submits to JISSN editor about BCAA study

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    As many of you know, a study was recently published in JISSN claiming that BCAA use enhanced lean mass retention and body fat loss during a combined caloric deficit with resistance training. However, the study appears to have a number of issues and inconsistencies that call into question the veracity of findings. After a lengthy discussion a couple of weeks back on ********, I along with my colleagues Brad Dieter and Alan Aragon decided to write a letter to the editor at JISSN detailing the issues with the paper. Happy to report that the letter has been accepted and will be published shortly in the journal. We look forward to hopefully hearing the response from the authors to gain clarity on the topic. The beauty of science is that it is self-correcting

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26733764

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    Noticed this yesterday.

    I know Aragon was on the boards discussing the issues with the study right after it came out.
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    This was the scivation study?

    Or was it another bcaa study
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    This was the scivation study?

    Or was it another bcaa study
    Haven't looked over it yet, but I'd assume this is the study Mike has been boasting about for months? *place holder post*
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    This was the scivation study?

    Or was it another bcaa study
    Here is the full text. Page 23 has your answer.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4700774/
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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    Here is the full text. Page 23 has your answer.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4700774/
    thank you sir, looks like page 25 tho
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    OP this looks slightly familiar

    I am hoping to see some feed back on this from all parties, I know Alan recently also linked this to his own within the last day or so.
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    Originally Posted by Rob1882 View Post
    OP this looks slightly familiar

    I am hoping to see some feed back on this from all parties, I know Alan recently also linked this to his own within the last day or so.
    Would love to get Alan's thoughts on the letters sent and how they are processing their concerns.
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    Listening to a podcast the other day, Lobliner was talking about the study and results.
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    Originally Posted by kbayne View Post
    Listening to a podcast the other day, Lobliner was talking about the study and results.
    and what did he have to say?
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    and what did he have to say?
    Sounded like he was the one who had the study funded but it was a while ago. Just never was published.

    He was simply saying exactly what the study found regarding BCAA.

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    What kind of peer review does the jissn have?
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    What kind of peer review does the jissn have?
    Was hoping Alan could/would add to that discussion as to their process
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    Ive never been overly impressed with the discussions involving the ISSN guys, so I was curious
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    What kind of peer review does the jissn have?
    "Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition has a closed peer-review policy. Manuscripts submitted to the journal will be evaluated initially by an Editor-in-Chief, who will assign at least two expert reviewers to review the manuscript. The peer-review process aims to ensure that all published manuscripts are scientifically sound and provide new scientific knowledge. The Editor-in-Chief will reach a final decision based on these reports and, where necessary, will consult with members of the Editorial Board."
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    Originally Posted by eatyourspinach View Post
    "Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition has a closed peer-review policy. Manuscripts submitted to the journal will be evaluated initially by an Editor-in-Chief, who will assign at least two expert reviewers to review the manuscript. The peer-review process aims to ensure that all published manuscripts are scientifically sound and provide new scientific knowledge. The Editor-in-Chief will reach a final decision based on these reports and, where necessary, will consult with members of the Editorial Board."
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    Looks like I need to clear out my inbox.

    Yup, letter just got accepted, we're awaiting the final proof, then we'll give it a final look and okay it for publication. Should be a fairly quick process from this point.
    Hi Alan, how does this effect the current publication in question?
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