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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    Hi Alan, how does this effect the current publication in question?
    It will only affect it to the extent that when you look the study up in PubMed, a direct link to our letter of contention will be right next to it. Plenty of inconsistencies got past peer review with this study, but that doesn't mean that critical appraisal has to end at the prepublication point.
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    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    It will only affect it to the extent that when you look the study up in PubMed, a direct link to our letter of contention will be right next to it. Plenty of inconsistencies got past peer review with this study, but that doesn't mean that critical appraisal has to end at the prepublication point.
    ^^^ retractions are very very rare
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    Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    ^^^ retractions are very very rare
    Indeed. But boy is it glorious when retraction-worthy crap like Peskin's paper gets pulled: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3914521/
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    PS - no one is gunning for a retraction. The issues with this study just happen to be profound enough to warrant some formal/public discussion.
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    What kind of peer review does the jissn have?
    Hopefully the same as most scientific journals.

    IF of it is over 2.5 from a quick search, which is nothing to discount.
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    Originally Posted by Valhallabound86 View Post
    Hopefully the same as most scientific journals.
    Yup, it is. At least in my experience, and I review for SCJ & IJSNEM as well as JISSN.
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    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    Indeed. But boy is it glorious when retraction-worthy crap like Peskin's paper gets pulled: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3914521/
    I would think that any article where the results are not what is presented would need to be up for a retraction.
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    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    It will only affect it to the extent that when you look the study up in PubMed, a direct link to our letter of contention will be right next to it. Plenty of inconsistencies got past peer review with this study, but that doesn't mean that critical appraisal has to end at the prepublication point.
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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    I would think that any article where the results are not what is presented would need to be up for a retraction.
    Not really how it works. And how JISSN reviews their paper seems pretty standard to how most biomedical journals review their papers (the process, not their approval of said study).
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    Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    Not really how it works. And how JISSN reviews their paper seems pretty standard to how most biomedical journals review their papers (the process, not their approval of said study).
    Gotcha. Confused as to how a study would get passed like that. That link AA posted says it all.
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    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    Big words.
    So you find this recent BCAA's study a bit fishy, it seems. What do you think about the clearly fabricated Wilson's HMB FA "study" which has been discussed ad nauseum on these boards and you haven't been around at all? Where were you when we called you, Alan?

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    Originally Posted by BULLED View Post
    So you find this recent BCAA's study a bit fishy, it seems. What do you think about the clearly fabricated Wilson's HMB FA "study" which has been discussed ad nauseum on these boards and you haven't been around at all? Where were you when we called you, Alan?

    Using it right now. Just started on the second bottle. I'm also running it during my current "situation" which would typically have dictated that I shouldn't be able to gain weight and likely to lose muscle mass, yet the weight is sticking and I'm actually starting to see weight gain again (up about 2 lbs). Stuff clearly works well. Diet has not changed, actually switched over to fat free milk for a bit so if anything, calories are slightly lower.
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    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Using it right now. Just started on the second bottle. I'm also running it during my current "situation" which would typically have dictated that I shouldn't be able to gain weight and likely to lose muscle mass, yet the weight is sticking and I'm actually starting to see weight gain again (up about 2 lbs). Stuff clearly works well. Diet has not changed, actually switched over to fat free milk for a bit so if anything, calories are slightly lower.
    Given all the stuff you're taking, I'm pretty sure you can safely quit eating and you'll still making gains. Thanks for letting me know your opinion on HMB, It is a breaking news to me, but I'd really like to hear Alan's opinion about Wilson's study.
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    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    All the stuff I'm taking? Lmfao.

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    So, explain to me exactly how excessive is my supplementation for the past ~6 weeks?

    As I said, since I'm running p*t, I should be at a disadvantage here for maintaining the weight and strength or even gaining. I have used HMB in this fashion for the second time now and it's pretty obvious that it is very beneficial if used correctly.
    Dude, do you receive an alert whenever someone types HMB on these boards We all know you like it and it works for you, that's nice. I neither know nor care what are you taking, I was just kidding. What I like to know is Alan's opinion on HMB. I wonder what he thinks about Wilson's study (just to give it a name) and its ridiculous results.
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    the reason they lost bodyfat was because of gut bacteria not the xtend srs
    I read on the internet if you eat poop the bacteria is good for weight loss. Will you try and report back?
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    Lol, fecal transplants do have a place in medicine. I would not recommend eating poop, however.
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    I read on the internet if you eat poop the bacteria is good for weight loss. Will you try and report back?
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    Lol, fecal transplants do have a place in medicine. I would not recommend eating poop, however.
    While this is true from a scientific/medical perspective...what has happened to this topic??
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    Lol, fecal transplants do have a place in medicine. I would not recommend eating poop, however.
    Gets stuck in the teeth, huh
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    Originally Posted by VO2Maxima View Post
    While this is true from a scientific/medical perspective...what has happened to this topic??
    This lol

    Really don't like where this thread is headed. Let's stay on topic. If you want to eat poop..

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    This lol

    Really don't like where this thread is headed. Let's stay on topic. If you want to eat poop..

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    Originally Posted by AMeyer9 View Post
    I'm all about science but it comes down to the individual, just try it bro.
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    Originally Posted by powercage View Post
    Lol, fecal transplants do have a place in medicine. I would not recommend eating poop, however.
    That **** is nuts.
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    Originally Posted by BULLED View Post
    So you find this recent BCAA's study a bit fishy, it seems. What do you think about the clearly fabricated Wilson's HMB FA "study" which has been discussed ad nauseum on these boards and you haven't been around at all? Where were you when we called you, Alan?

    Hah! I musta been working when the signal was put out...

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