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    Hey guys, after reading this it changed my perspective lol. I was considered obese since i was close to 10, when i was 15 weighing over 300+ lbs. I cut back on sugar and stuff, but didnt start getting serious until i was 16 (currently am). So, in less than a years time, i was so motivated, so determined, i loss 100 lb now resting between 180 - 185. But it was the wrong way. I did it through SEVERE calorie restriction, less than 1800 a day plus lots of moving around. I was thinking about going down to 160, (oh by the way im 5'11 or 6', depending on the day it seems lol) but my body has seem to start really fighting me by putting me in a binge cycle. I threw up the other day, (not voluntarly, i just ate so much) and i have decided its enough restricting . I lost a lot of muscle mass, but have a higher bf %. Schools about to start, junior year, so should i just go on a slow clean bulk to help get over binge eating and maybe look better? Sorry , i just have had this problem with binge eating for about 6 months but its started to become a daily thing on 2000 cal. Will i look better in the end vs if i continued to battle the urgers, ect? thanks, sorry im just lost at this point and i had my first serious thought about giving up completely today and i realised, I REFUSE TO BE A STATISTIC
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    Hey guys, after reading this it changed my perspective lol. I was considered obese since i was close to 10, when i was 15 weighing over 300+ lbs. I cut back on sugar and stuff, but didnt start getting serious until i was 16 (currently am). So, in less than a years time, i was so motivated, so determined, i loss 100 lb now resting between 180 - 185. But it was the wrong way. I did it through SEVERE calorie restriction, less than 1800 a day plus lots of moving around. I was thinking about going down to 160, (oh by the way im 5'11 or 6', depending on the day it seems lol) but my body has seem to start really fighting me by putting me in a binge cycle. I threw up the other day, (not voluntarly, i just ate so much) and i have decided its enough restricting . I lost a lot of muscle mass, but have a higher bf %. Schools about to start, junior year, so should i just go on a slow clean bulk to help get over binge eating and maybe look better? Sorry , i just have had this problem with binge eating for about 6 months but its started to become a daily thing on 2000 cal. Will i look better in the end vs if i continued to battle the urgers, ect? thanks, sorry im just lost at this point and i had my first serious thought about giving up completely today and i realised, I REFUSE TO BE A STATISTIC
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    Originally Posted by Frosty2000 View Post
    Hey guys, after reading this it changed my perspective lol. I was considered obese since i was close to 10, when i was 15 weighing over 300+ lbs. I cut back on sugar and stuff, but didnt start getting serious until i was 16 (currently am). So, in less than a years time, i was so motivated, so determined, i loss 100 lb now resting between 180 - 185. But it was the wrong way. I did it through SEVERE calorie restriction, less than 1800 a day plus lots of moving around. I was thinking about going down to 160, (oh by the way im 5'11 or 6', depending on the day it seems lol) but my body has seem to start really fighting me by putting me in a binge cycle. I threw up the other day, (not voluntarly, i just ate so much) and i have decided its enough restricting . I lost a lot of muscle mass, but have a higher bf %. Schools about to start, junior year, so should i just go on a slow clean bulk to help get over binge eating and maybe look better? Sorry , i just have had this problem with binge eating for about 6 months but its started to become a daily thing on 2000 cal. Will i look better in the end vs if i continued to battle the urgers, ect? thanks, sorry im just lost at this point and i had my first serious thought about giving up completely today and i realised, I REFUSE TO BE A STATISTIC
    Do your parents know about your binge eating? If not, tell them, make sure they can help you if you need it before it become a major issue. Do not track, 2000 would not bulk you anyways....

    Just eat intuitively (to hunger) and use common sense with food choices aiming for a wide variety of the foods you like. Do that while being active and follow a good beginner routine.

    Work on getting through the binge eating first, that should be the focus, get back to not feeling the need to binge and get professional help if needed.
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    I messed up with what I said lol. I meant I was cutting on 2000 and I was thinking about finding maintance and eating a 250 surplus. I think what my problem is is just restricting myself too much. I already have been lifting for about a year too .
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    Originally Posted by Frosty2000 View Post
    I messed up with what I said lol. I meant I was cutting on 2000 and I was thinking about finding maintance and eating a 250 surplus. I think what my problem is is just restricting myself too much. I already have been lifting for about a year too .
    A year would not be enough to likely put you outside of 'beginner' especially if cutting weight during that time; a good routine will maximize gains. Again, focus on just eating intuitively and repairing your relationship with food; mental health and well being are a massive part of happiness.
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    Didn't mean to sound like I was arguing earlier lol. So , one more question, aftet repairing my relationship with food, being at a higher bf % at 6'0 what should I do? (Just wondering, this could take up to a year to repair) Because my gym was closed this week and I decided to take a break from the gym. My lifts went down pretty bad, especially bench. Just asking man thanks ! - Lance
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    Originally Posted by Frosty2000 View Post
    Didn't mean to sound like I was arguing earlier lol. So , one more question, aftet repairing my relationship with food, being at a higher bf % at 6'0 what should I do? (Just wondering, this could take up to a year to repair) Because my gym was closed this week and I decided to take a break from the gym. My lifts went down pretty bad, especially bench. Just asking man thanks ! - Lance
    One week will not have any significant effect on muscles, just sometimes you feel weaker; actual muscle atrophy takes months of non-lifting before being particularly noticeable.

    It wouldn't take a year by the way, the human body is very adaptive and great at healing. Likely, physically, you will bounce back very fast; mentally can be another matter entirely.

    If it was just a reaction to restriction, rather than an eating disorder, you should be fine once you eat a more normal diet.

    Pretty much all you 'need' to do is the same as any other teen, just eat, lift, rest, and enjoy life. Remember one thing: Lifting is a hobby, nothing more. Never let physique or fitness 'be' your life. Too many kids now think they need 100% dedication to it, but really, just be active and healthy; unless you literally make your salary off of how you look than there is never a reason to get much more involved than that.
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    This is interesting... What age do you think is good to start messing with calories / intake etc. for cutting / bulking?
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    This is interesting... What age do you think is good to start messing with calories / intake etc. for cutting / bulking?
    Well, depends; some get by fine their whole lives without needing to track and instead just go by progress in the gym, clothes fit, weight, and appearance and just eat intuitively doing just fine.

    Some need/do better tracking; I'd say 18 or so is fine; the main reason for this is under that you are still in the best development years of your life and have better things to focus on. For teens, school and social life should be the priorities, setting yourself up for a good future and enjoying life while you can as care free as possible; you will never get a chance to be a kid again so don't waste it stressing something as useless as calories.
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    Originally Posted by gbullock32 View Post
    Well, depends; some get by fine their whole lives without needing to track and instead just go by progress in the gym, clothes fit, weight, and appearance and just eat intuitively doing just fine.

    Some need/do better tracking; I'd say 18 or so is fine; the main reason for this is under that you are still in the best development years of your life and have better things to focus on. For teens, school and social life should be the priorities, setting yourself up for a good future and enjoying life while you can as care free as possible; you will never get a chance to be a kid again so don't waste it stressing something as useless as calories.
    Ah okay. Thanks for the advice
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    I used to hate your posts and never understood why you were so "obsessed" with nutrition. You and Erik both.. "who are these little guys and why do they never make gains while constantly preaching " I guess after experiencing eating disorders low T ect it forces you to live differently.

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    Warning - Long read and no cliffs, deal with it.

    Too many kids/teens have been posting about cutting and getting abs lately, **** is getting old and telling them not to cut does not work; so here it is, why you should not cut as a teen.

    Ok, so this is a long read but it is something I feel like sharing; it is my experiences with being obese as a teen, losing weight the right way... Then very much the wrong way; how I got healthy, then ruined my body. I tell this as a warning to all of you who think cutting to get abs as a teen is in any way worth it, because it is not. There will be pictures, information, and of course recommendations of what not to do. Life is a series of failures we learn from, I learned the hard way so I take this as a chance to help you learn from my mistakes so you can avoid them and all of the ramifications they led to.

    So... Obese; when I was 16 years old (sadly no pics from back then) I was 200 pounds or so at 5'2"; my doctor told me I was classed as obese. My parents sat me down and flat out told me 'Son, you're fat, you need to change.' Denial sucked, up until then I just thought I looked big but not fat, not muscled or anything... Just, wide. I played video games most of the day and ate whatever I wanted whenever, so a lot of soda and candy, chips, all the standard 'junk' foods.

    So I decided to change, I was still playing video games most of the time but improved my diet and started to exercise while gaming. I had about 100 pounds of weight plates, 2 dumbbells and a straight bar; I would just lift while gaming, during loading scenes or waiting for games to start. Coupled with this I ate what I though was 'clean', I did not track a single calorie or macro but ate what my mom cooked mostly. This meant a lot of good home meals: steak, chicken, potatoes, veggies, pasta, rice, and other things like that; all whole foods. For other meals I just ate what I though 'healthy' people did, yogurt, fruit, veggies, lean meats, peanut butter sandwiches, cheese, milk... Pretty much nothing but good foods. Again I point out that I was not tracking a single calorie or macro, just going by common sense and eating when I was actually hungry.

    The results were damned amazing, I went from 200 pounds at 5'2" down to about 145 by the time I was 18, now 5'5"; I built up a pretty solid amount of muscle too given I was losing weight the whole time, I was healthier and happier.... Still no macros tracked and not even on any routine really, just lifting when I wanted and felt like it.

    At 18 years old


    I wanted more though, I wanted abs, so close I thought... Just a little more, here I just said 'Let's do it!' Here I made the mistake, without any idea of what I was doing I crash dieted... I tracked calories but not macros, so as long as I got 1,000 calories or less a day I was happy, I got in my protein to 150 or so grams and let whatever happened after that fill out the remainder. That left about 400 calories to fat/carbs... I got maybe 10-20 grams of fat a day, if that, for about a year. Threw in cardio too, lots of it, maybe 2 hours a day of either running or jogging; every spare minute was spent moving in some way. Man that will jack your hormones up hard, very hard. Started taking supplements here too, ON Gold Standard to get my protein, since it was the only way I realistically could while sticking to such low calories, Jack3d for pre-workout (heavy stuff for my fist but was great), and Oxy Elite Pro. Stacking 2 different 1,3 dimeth products, both heavy stimms... It got me through the day; I was taking 3-4 scoops of Jack3d a day along with 4-8 Oxy Elites. The fact this did not kill me alone is kind of impressive.

    Well I lost weight, and fast; by about 19 I was pushing all of about 100 pounds, yep, no good; looking solid here right?

    At 19 years old


    Thin, lanky, deathly... So I decided to bulk, I felt like hell all of the time and it just was not worth it; no abs for me really, I just did not have the mass. So onto a year long bulk until I was 20... Gained something like 5-10 pounds, sitting at a solid 110-115 at 5'5". I still felt like death, tired all the time and could barely sleep; eating about 3,400 calories a day but I worked overnight and was active. I attributed this to my lack of sleep and feeling poor. I upped my calories to about 3,800, didn't reverse diet; had the '**** it' mentality. Got onto a routine finally too; first time really working legs even. Too bad it was a **** routine from a generic body building article... Far from efficient but it got me going I guess. Still taking protein, pre-workout (various ones) and now creating and a BCAA, fish oil and multivitamin. Nutrition was better here though, not only the 3,800 calories I made sure to get 1 gram of protein per pound and .4 grams of fat per pound too; rest was a mix of pro/carb/fat as I felt. Weighed and measure everything I ate too, wanting to make the most of this bulk.

    At 20 years old


    Another year, no weight gain, still felt miserable; sleeping all of 2 hours a day and eating closer to 4,000 calories; not gaining jack in terms of weight. Kind of weird but ok... I just added more calories, got to around 4,500 a day; still only getting about 2 hours of sleep, noticed something else here too. I had not had any erections for months, no sex drive at all, just... Nothing. Starting to notice some red flags maybe? I ignored it, just lack of sleep. I'll sleep more I thought.

    At 21 years old


    Well turned 22, still sitting in the 120ish area weight wise, very little mass gained and sill felt like my body wanted to die. I was taking closer to 2-2.5 grams (yeah, grams) of caffeine a day just to keep from dropping. Sleep at an all time low, maybe an hour a day. No erections, exhausted, and just had no motivation; I lifted and went to work because that was my routine but it was jut going through the motions.
    you did not cut you crash dieted and starved yourself
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    but I do agree that there is too much focus on cutting and it's generally not a good idea for a teenager
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