Lets mix it up a little this cycle
Weeks 1-2 do 10 reps all heavy 3x a week
weeks 3-4 do 11 reps all heavy 3x a week
Test week run as normal
Do weeks 1-4 rest pause style; 1 ten rep set, 2-5 breaths, do a rep, 2-5 breaths, do a rep, do this till you get in 10 or 11 rest pause reps.
If you feel like crap after week 2, we will try something else.
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03-24-2017, 06:18 AM #3361
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03-24-2017, 06:26 AM #3362
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03-25-2017, 02:29 AM #3363
Many thanks to nightanole for taking the time to help us beginners. I got two questions If you don't mind
1) I would like to know if it is possible to start the program with bench press instead of squat as I always feel like it is the one exercise I struggle with the most. I much rather be fresh going into it.
Do I simply swap the order between bench and squat or is there a better schedule ?
2) What happens if +10% turns to be too much to handle ? Do I keep repeating the previous weight for the next cycle, keep on struggling on the new weight and eventually adjust to it or go for lower increment (5%-7%)?
Cheers
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03-25-2017, 02:53 AM #3364
I'm halfway thru my 2nd cycle using only Dumbbells. I don't see myself getting a chance to use anything other than Dumbbells for the foreseeable future. Realistically, how many cycles can I complete with just Dumbbells? Some posts I've read, it seems I'm wasting my time with Dumbbells?
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03-25-2017, 05:16 AM #3365
1) the first 3 exercises (bench/row/squat) need to be done first, in no particular order, followed by the last 4, and then any accessories. Its original order is so you can get in and out of the gym fast because you dont have to rest between exercises.
2) if you can do 2 sets of 12, you can do 2 sets of 9 with 110% weight. Next cycle we start you off at 2 sets of 8 at 110%, so its even easier than test day. If you think your test day was false, you can test out 1-2 exercises on light day of test week, 1 set of 10 with the new weight, if you fail then repeat with the same old weight.
Dumbells work till you can do 2 sets of 12 with 30 seconds of rest or less. After that the dumb bell weight will be too light. After that happens you can continue with dumb bells for hypertrophy, but its just 3 AMRAP sets to failure, and by that time you would not need heavy/medium/light.
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03-25-2017, 08:51 AM #3366
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03-25-2017, 03:30 PM #3367
First let me say thank you, for taking the time to answer.
I think i understood everything except 4 and 5
4. Sadly, im uninformed and do not understand what "hip drop" means, and how can i not flex my back, i was sure it is trained statically.
5. As i haven't trained in years, im not sure if That would mean the wide grip (traps) it cost grip (lats)
Again, thank you!
And sorry for the newbie questions
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03-25-2017, 05:45 PM #3368
4) hip drop, you can flex your knees 5-10 degrees till your hip socket starts getting closer to the floor. As for the back flex, you never flex your back in any allpro movement, all movements are done with a neutral spine. The SLDL does not hit the ground between reps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yW0-8EtD0k&gl=CA
5) The bent over row on the program is meant to put meat on you, its not a programmed in accessory to work your traps more or your lats more. Just use the grip you would use on the bench, or a little narrower. If you are dumb and always bench wide, well enjoy those few years of benching glory.
If you want any other advice, use the grip that creates the biggest ROM, it will promote the most hypertrophy. The only thing going wide does is limit ROM and put greater stress on the joints and connecting tissue. Pinkies on the 32" rings at worse, you train index fingers on the rings(widest legal grip) for a long period an you will be punching your ticket to snap city, but hey you will be able to move 10-15% more weight
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03-26-2017, 02:18 AM #3369
Man, i love you - thanks to you i will have my glory days back.
I think i understand, so never let back arch, and keep knees sightly bent makes me train hamsring and gluts while working on my back isometrically - something that happens less (or not at all) in a normal DL since the legs/knees are locked at the end of the lift.
And having maximum ROM is a good rule of thumb, one that i kept ib mind last time i trained too.
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03-27-2017, 03:50 AM #3370
I passed my last heavy day (end of cycle 3) (all bar OHP) but missed the subsequent medium and light days, what's the best thing to do now? Today is when I would usually have my next heavy.
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03-27-2017, 04:25 AM #3371
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03-27-2017, 09:43 AM #3372
I could be wrong, but wasn't there an excel sheet shared around here that automatically calculates your weights for each workout. Would love to see it
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03-27-2017, 09:51 AM #3373
yup within the last 10 pages. if not if you just google allpro excel there are several listed.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Y18/edit#gid=2
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03-27-2017, 11:21 AM #3374
Interesting post. I want to lose around 12-15 lbs of fat. My calorie intake is around 2500-2800. I calculate to drop the calories by 500 in order to have max fat loss in one month. Is that too extreme ?
Also about the workout. If i complete the 10 rep week, i continue to 11 and 12 and if i fail i reset the weight? Or do i add 2.5% and start over again until i complete 10 reps?
Also some quick questions:
Is it ok to change the order of the first 3 exercises? For example 1st Bench press, 2nd Squats, 3rd BORs?
What am i supposed to do if i have to wait 10-20 mins between exercises due to the rack being taken by someone else?
Is it ok to add at the end of the workout close grip chinups or should i replace with this the barbell curls?
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03-27-2017, 06:14 PM #3375
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Yes you can rearange just keep the first 3 as the first 3
Well that sucks, just wait patiently although 20 mins is a long time to be waiting. If someone is using the rack for that long ask to rotate between sets.
The routine calls for curls, if you want to add chinups go for it, no reason you cannot do both.Blues Hockey is life! I live for pain and disappointment.
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03-27-2017, 08:55 PM #3376Those are the 2 most popular forms. I use jason's false grip due to previous wrist injuries, but mark's form would give better tension buildup at the bottom.
If you feel you had a false positive on 1 or 2 lifts, perform a single set of 10 on light day with the new weight. If you fail, it was a false positive.
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03-29-2017, 02:11 PM #3377
Beginners can gain strength on a cut when going below 13% bf, and beginners can gain mass on a cut when cutting to 13%. Nobody is gaining mass cuttin below 13%.
Cutting below 13% takes talent and commitment. Im talking zero drinking, making 100% of your food, and weighting all ingredients (not measuring) and portions. On top of that, cutting to 13% you might be losing 1lbs of muscle per 3lbs of fat, at worst(and in most cases little to none if you plan it right). But when cutting below 13% it might be 1:1 for fat to muscle loss once you get to 11%. To get ab veins might cost 5lbs of muscle to shred off that last 5lbs of fat. With a shirt on you are going to look small/weak vs the guy that is 13% and 15-20lbs heavier.
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03-29-2017, 02:25 PM #3378
for the zercher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da75bVCfTNo&gl=CA
2 things he doesnt mention, keeping elbows behind the bar (at least at the bottom of the movement) and resting the bar on both arm bones. If you put the bar in your elbow pocket, its going to act like a crow bar on your elbow joint. If you dont learn to rest the bar on both are bones, its going to hurt like hell because its going to be well over 100lbs resting on just skin and a bone. When you rest on both arm bones, its going to halve the pressure, and you will have some forearm meat as a cushion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGH3BeRRLDE&gl=CA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzJNRGu24f0&gl=CA
2 keys. 1 Elbows hit the floor every rep, do you not have to pause when the elbows hit, as soon as they touch just pop back up. 2 do these with straight legs since this will be your primary exercise and not a bench accessory. This will make the floor press 100% upper body vs a normal bench that can have leg drive. This combined with the dead stop kinda makes up for the slight reduction in range of motion. You will notice with some of the benchers, the bar almost touches the chest
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03-29-2017, 02:59 PM #3379
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03-29-2017, 07:09 PM #3380for the zercher:
2 things he doesnt mention, keeping elbows behind the bar (at least at the bottom of the movement) and resting the bar on both arm bones. If you put the bar in your elbow pocket, its going to act like a crow bar on your elbow joint. If you dont learn to rest the bar on both are bones, its going to hurt like hell because its going to be well over 100lbs resting on just skin and a bone. When you rest on both arm bones, its going to halve the pressure, and you will have some forearm meat as a cushion.
2 keys. 1 Elbows hit the floor every rep, do you not have to pause when the elbows hit, as soon as they touch just pop back up. 2 do these with straight legs since this will be your primary exercise and not a bench accessory. This will make the floor press 100% upper body vs a normal bench that can have leg drive. This combined with the dead stop kinda makes up for the slight reduction in range of motion. You will notice with some of the benchers, the bar almost touches the chest
That said, I am surprised by the Athlean-X guy whose arms are pretty wide out (think he even mentions keeping the elbows at a 90 degree angle)- isn't that bad for the shoulders? Or does that rule only apply to the bench press and a reduced range of motion allows the floor press to be wider apart?
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03-30-2017, 04:28 AM #3381
You miss read him. Eblows need to be kept at 90 degrees to the bar. He is saying keep elbows under wrists at the bottom of the movement. You can use a narrow or wide grip(i go narrow as comfortable), but you must always keep elbows directly under the bar at all times, and the forearms need to be perpendicular to the bar at the bottom of the movement. Else when you start pushing up, you are not going to be pushing straight up into your wrists, you will be pushing at an angle.
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03-30-2017, 01:11 PM #3382
Sorry this is more of a nutrition question but I know I'll get a good answer here if that's okay.
I'm going to try and start working out early morning, around 5.30 am. What's the minimum I need to eat before this to have a decent workout doing this program? I usually have quite an early dinner, 6pm ish and then a protein/banana smoothie around 9pm. (I'm eating around 2100 cals/day atm)
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03-30-2017, 02:39 PM #3383
75-100g of carbs 8-12 hours before the workout. Thats about it. You are not running off of blood glucose during the workout so breakfast isnt going to help. Having your muscle glycogen stores full for the workout will, and them suckers take time to fill.
So if you can get that banana smoothie with 300-400 calories of carbs you should be good. 100g of oats is about 400 cals, 70g of carbs, and 15g of protein depending on the brand.
https://www.fatsecret.com/calories-n...amount=100.000
Other than that, if you wake up with a banana or apple in your mouth, then sip on a diluted protein shake (one scoop per 12-16 oz) during the workout, it can help for people who can not perform in a fasted state. Just dont eat a big meal or something with a lot of fat in it.
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03-31-2017, 05:58 AM #3384
First of all thx to Sh724 for the answer.
Guys I don't know if anyone of you had ever my problem but I don't think I'm the only one. Here it goes:
When I finish curling the EZ bar (and the straight bar) and I put the bar down i feel an intense pain in the middle of my forearm. I kinda feel it when I m curling too but not that much. It's like the pain is coming from the bone but I know it must be the tendon.
On the contrary i don't feel this pain when I'm curling dumbbells.
Also I don't feel it on everyday activities but only when i push that area with my finger
Is that something that needs to be examined by a professional ?
Should I replace the barbell curls with dumbbells?Last edited by JeanRoqua; 03-31-2017 at 06:07 AM.
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03-31-2017, 07:07 AM #3385
2-3 options.
First the ez bar is not recomended since it deloads the bicep and loads the forearm. And guess what is agitated?
Second, some people curl the bar up with the wrist, either the wrist is flexed at the start of the movement, or it becomes flexed as the bar gets closer to the chest. This again deloads the bicep and loads the forearm. In severe cases for those that refuse to keep a straight wrist in the row/curl, i make them row/curl with the wrist locked back instead of straight. If the lifter still refuses my commands, i have to switch them to a vertical pull to remove the wrist from the equation.
Third, in some cases where the lifter gets bicep tendonitus real easy, i have them do incline DB supination curls.
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03-31-2017, 09:51 AM #3386
I see, then my mistake is that i do not lock the wrist. I will ditch the EZ bar and i will try the next time to keep it straight as much as possible. Until then should I stop curling for 2-3 weeks? Should i curl dumbbells for a period of time? Or is it ok to do barbbell curls again the next workout?
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03-31-2017, 10:01 AM #3387
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04-01-2017, 12:28 AM #3388
There's talk of switching around the work schedule at my job, basically going from mon-fri with the occasional weekend (no problem) to a 7 day on - 2 days off schedule. Schedule would rotate as follows:
Shift one: Monday to sunday afternoon shift, then monday and tuesday off;
Shift two: Wednesday to tuesday morning shift, then wednesday and thursday off;
Shift three: Friday to thursday night shift, then weekend off
Is there any way to modify the schedule of all-pro somewhat effectively to incorporate workouts in those 7 working days, and really having those 2 free days off? On shift three circadian rythm breaks and until day 3 I feel like ****, and by the time I get adjusted to nightshifts, I get a weekend to sleep in and then it takes almost a week to get used to sleeping at night again, not ideal for recovery and overall health, but the only alternative is to quit the job, which I kinda need. The 2 off days would also mean some getaway time with my GF, not really being near my equipment too.
Any reasonable way to modify or not at all without ruining the point of the program completely?
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04-01-2017, 05:17 AM #3389
2 choices, run the auto regulated version (sorry dont have the link infront of me) which are all heavies, and you can pick up where you left off.
Your other choice, if you can get in 1 heavy a week, is to run 1-2 days doing rest pause varaints of the first 3 exercises, and zero accessories.
Rest pause variant:
10 reps using your heavy day working weight
rest 2-5 breaths
rep out another rep
rest 2-5 breaths
rep out another rep
repeat till 10 reps
20 reps total.
You would do this for bench/row/squat, never adding reps during the cycle. This is just the volume/fatigue work, the main heavy is pushing progression. This will give you max recovery and the same amount of growth. The down sides are normally loss of conditioning/strength, but those are for people who are switching from 3x3 or 5x5 programs, allpro is based around 10 reps, so it shouldnt affect you too much.
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04-01-2017, 07:03 AM #3390
Auto regulated is all heavy amrap until 2x12 is achieved, then bump 10%, right? Basically do whenever with 72hrs pause?
Got my cycle1 test on monday, can finish the week normally. I'll stick to normal version for as long as I can, not sure when to properly schedule deloads.. to be honest day after heavy day is rough, medium day is really tough even with 10% less weight, and the recovery from day after medium to after light day comes in like a blessing. Last year I was pushing myself to the max every lifting session and it burned me out after two months.. don't wanna repeat it again.
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