**OFFICIAL** Trading and Investing Thread- Part -IX-

[Venom08]

What in the actual fuk?

You are the most ignorant and closed minded investor I've ever known. Constantly talking sht and not posting a single argument as to why you think I'm wrong. It's people like you who will end up losing everything because you refuse to open your eyes to see the big picture.

You're only 25 so maybe there's hope, but you're quite difficult.

[Bavaria]

You are the most ignorant and closed minded investor I've ever known. Constantly talking sht and not posting a single argument as to why you think I'm wrong. It's people like you who will end up losing everything because you refuse to open your eyes to see the big picture.

You're only 25 so maybe there's hope, but you're quite difficult.

Experience trumps education. Has Redstar made a trade yet? He always has some interesting points of view but at the end of the day if you can't cut it in the real trading world then it's worthless.

[Venom08]

Experience trumps education. Has Redstar made a trade yet? He always has some interesting points of view but at the end of the day if you can't cut it in the real trading world then it's worthless.

lmao, he doesn't even trade? Can't wait to read his book on child birth.

[White-Belt]

Experience trumps education. Has Redstar made a trade yet? He always has some interesting points of view but at the end of the day if you can't cut it in the real trading world then it's worthless.

He does work in finance, so he is hardly clueless

[ctownballer04]

He does work in finance, so he is hardly clueless

I'm going w/ someone w/ industry experience prior to a day trader any day.

[Gothwaite]

He does work in finance, so he is hardly clueless

Not trying to get into the sh!t flinging, but didn't he say he works in the medical field?

Or am I confusing him with some one else here

[ctownballer04]

Not trying to get into the sh!t flinging, but didn't he say he works in the medical field?

Or am I confusing him with some one else here

Whitey the only Doc ITT.

[mikebadg3]

New to investing, and want to get started. I've got 3k in the bank and am a e1 in the army. My goal is to acquire 10k and begin investing, while adding +200/month.

I've developed my budget and this is how it is looking. I make about 1100/month
Retirement 10%
Investment 20%
Savings 20%
Emergency 15%
Tithes/Offerings 10%
Other 25%

If I wanted to really increase my potential $output by investing could I drop savings and move that 20% into my investment pool?

Edit: although I can't check it at this time I believe I already have 15-20% put into retirement/TSP. I can't access it but when I get to my first duty station s2 Should be able to help me with pulling my leave earning statement. An e1 makes about 1550 before taxes and the plethora of other things that we are putting money into (AER, 400k life insurance in case I die, ect.)

[thetrebel]

New to investing, and want to get started. I've got 3k in the bank and am a e1 in the army. My goal is to acquire 10k and begin investing, while adding +200/month.

I've developed my budget and this is how it is looking. I make about 1100/month
Retirement 10%
Investment 20%
Savings 20%
Emergency 15%
Tithes/Offerings 10%
Other 25%

If I wanted to really increase my potential $output by investing could I drop savings and move that 20% into my investment pool?

Edit: although I can't check it at this time I believe I already have 15-20% put into retirement/TSP. I can't access it but when I get to my first duty station s2 Should be able to help me with pulling my leave earning statement. An e1 makes about 1550 before taxes and the plethora of other things that we are putting money into (AER, 400k life insurance in case I die, ect.)

fuk savings yolo investments


srs we are young fuk 2% a year

[thetrebel]

buy ford at the open and sell it at eod

srs

[thetrebel]

need to get in the future game



cl getting ready to blast off

[ctownballer04]

fuk savings yolo investments


srs we are young fuk 2% a year

This is pretty accurate for most people, but I obviously don't know your individual circumstances. I can tell you my savings account has no more than like 1 month of food money in it any given time lol.

[thetrebel]

This is pretty accurate for most people, but I obviously don't know your individual circumstances. I can tell you my savings account has no more than like 1 month of food money in it any given time lol.

boyo I am a degen lost 200 last night on some womes mma. Ive had a few emergencies last year, no problem waiting 3 days for the cash to clear from boker+cc.

Paying me 2% a year to park my cash gtfo

[blinkers88]

need to get in the future game



cl getting ready to blast off

about time ****git

[thetrebel]

about time ****git

buy phot *******

[ctownballer04]

Paying me 0.2% a year to park my cash gtfo

Fixed that for you brah, no thx.

[ctownballer04]

Guessing this is something no one predicted coming. Warren buying the motherfuking Apple dip.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren...115508339.html

[Venom08]

Once again, me saying the DOW will double within the next four or five years is being punctuated by articles like this showing how foreign investors are all choosing to park their money and investments in the USA. The flow of money into the US will drive our stock prices to insanely high levels, all while government debt investments crash.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ate-says-study
Chinese pour $110bn into US real estate, says study

[thetrebel]

Guessing this is something no one predicted coming. Warren buying the motherfuking Apple dip.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren...115508339.html

Ayyyyyyyyyyyy

[xRedStaRx]

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M2V
Look at the velocity of money........ I did not know it's at record lows. Couple that with trading volume being super low (no retail participation), and you've got a recipe for a MEGA market rally. I think everyone has been way too bearish for the past decade. Without massive retail participation, you cannot get these 70% or 90% market crashes I keep hearing about.

This happening would mean that investors' money will HAVE to flow out of the government and into the private sector. That's why there will be a bear market in govt. bonds, not private investments.

You are the most ignorant and closed minded investor I've ever known. Constantly talking sht and not posting a single argument as to why you think I'm wrong. It's people like you who will end up losing everything because you refuse to open your eyes to see the big picture.

You're only 25 so maybe there's hope, but you're quite difficult.

I don't know what chart you're looking at, I'll assume it's the S&P500. Where is that low volume you're talking about? And where did you get the investor breakdown? Is it because the recent pre-market crash bubbles had high retail participation, can I see the charts? The velocity of money has been trending downwards slowly for years now, making any sort of connection between the velocity of money and your projected pickup in stock market volumes bullish scenario is arbitrary at best. And don't get me started on a bear market for government bonds for a private sector appetite, you're literally saying that the priced-in risk premiums are too high where we stand, either that, or the government bonds are irrationally priced, like a negative real yield, but even then you need to assume the private sector is mispriced as well. I don't know what kind of bear market you're speaking of in government bonds, but risk premiums are pretty high nowadays in the US market, definitely than we've seen anytime in recent memory.

Lot's of people here give out their views and opinions, but yours (and someone else's) seem to get me on edge. Try to be a little more critical of your words before you post them. It will also help those that don't fully grasp your point, and those willing to learn.

[AppsBrah]

Once again, me saying the DOW will double within the next four or five years is being punctuated by articles like this showing how foreign investors are all choosing to park their money and investments in the USA. The flow of money into the US will drive our stock prices to insanely high levels, all while government debt investments crash.
https://www.theguardian.com/business...ate-says-study
Chinese pour $110bn into US real estate, says study

20% annual profit 4 years in a row? Nice

Meanwhile, in a more realistic place far, far away: http://www.mckinsey.com/industries/p...r-their-sights

[Barn01]

Picks of the week 25-Apr-2015 (Before the bell)

Sell VRTV @40.58 P/L +4.8%

Buy PKX @51.33

Holding:
SXC
TSE
TX
PGEM

Will update after open with actual trade prices

Mean P/L on 5stk port = +0.96%

Picks of the week (Sorry I'm late but work was busy and then the gang had a little baby shower celebration for me. Less than a month before poopy diapers!)

Sell PKX @43.81 (open price) P/L -15.49% ... ouch

Buy RYI @11.09 (open price)

Mean P/L on a 5stk port = -5.16%

I'll start updating my sig with current holdings because I'm sure nobody follows me close enough to know or likely care for that matter. This is just for accountability on my part.

[Venom08]

I don't know what chart you're looking at, I'll assume it's the S&P500. Where is that low volume you're talking about? And where did you get the investor breakdown? Is it because the recent pre-market crash bubbles had high retail participation, can I see the charts? The velocity of money has been trending downwards slowly for years now, making any sort of connection between the velocity of money and your projected pickup in stock market volumes bullish scenario is arbitrary at best. And don't get me started on a bear market for government bonds for a private sector appetite, you're literally saying that the priced-in risk premiums are too high where we stand, either that, or the government bonds are irrationally priced, like a negative real yield, but even then you need to assume the private sector is mispriced as well. I don't know what kind of bear market you're speaking of in government bonds, but risk premiums are pretty high nowadays in the US market, definitely than we've seen anytime in recent memory.

Lot's of people here give out their views and opinions, but yours (and someone else's) seem to get me on edge. Try to be a little more critical of your words before you post them. It will also help those that don't fully grasp your point, and those willing to learn.

The velocity of money being at record lows means that there is lack of retail participation. Retail needs to be involved in the long side of something to cause a bubble. 2007 they were long real estate and caused the bubble. There is no such bubble in the private sector that I can see, but there is a bubble in government debt. Governments all over the world are addicted to borrowing at non-existent interest rates. Tell me what happens to that debt when interest rates begin to tick up? Who pays the bond holders? To cover their asses they'll probably even try to convert shorter term debt into long term (15 and 30 years) and you won't be able to do anything about it since they make the rules. As you can see, Europe is breaking apart and confidence in government is collapsing over there. The EU WILL fall apart. Look at the US. No confidence in our government hence the rise of Trump and Sanders. It's a contagion and pretty soon the government debt bubble will burst, and socialism will die. Likely news articles will likely talk about how there's no bid on 30year notes and they crash. Meanwhile money will be shifting into the private sector and you'll see an appreciation in stocks.

And nah, while I do see another strong correction in US stocks soon and a relatively range-bound 2016, foreign investors (like China and Europe) will be buying up all the dips.
TL;DR: Interest rates ticking up will implode govt.
The US is seen as the safest place for foreign investors to park their money.
Stocks will rally for several more years (DJIA 32,000-40,000 by 2020) and bonds will decline.
Gold will rally to potentially $5000 and the US$ will significantly rise as well.
The US could very well even be in a recession while this unfolds and our strong dollar will be the cause the next true bear market we get. Right now retail is uncertain and is hoarding cash (deflationary). Once they lose confidence in government and realize private investments are the safe assets, then you'll see this huge rally in stocks. Confidence in government is already falling if you look at the political nominees, but perhaps another flash crash might be necessary in order to scare the final few retail into govt. so they can set in the real top.

[Lastro]

plz ignore this post

[GabrielNovar]

20% annual profit 4 years in a row? Nice

Meanwhile, in a more realistic place far, far away: http://www.mckinsey.com/industries/p...r-their-sights

so many under invested/ scared and in cash right now. Pain trade higher hurts a lot more than any dip.

We already know markets will never stay down 40-50% for > 2-3 years. so you are free to hang on and buy zee massive dips, where as everyone will constantly feel we are about to crash the higher we go.

[xRedStaRx]

The velocity of money being at record lows means that there is lack of retail participation

Stopped reading there.

[AppsBrah]

so many under invested/ scared and in cash right now. Pain trade higher hurts a lot more than any dip.

We already know markets will never stay down 40-50% for > 2-3 years. so you are free to hang on and buy zee massive dips, where as everyone will constantly feel we are about to crash the higher we go.

We don't know anything. Past experiences and all that stuff. Most serious longterm investors agree that the 7-9% average per year is gone.

I'm not saying we're gonna crash btw, no one can tell what will happen the next few years. That's why Venom's 'analysis' has about the same value as a coin flip

[GabrielNovar]

We don't know anything. Past experiences and all that stuff. Most serious longterm investors agree that the 7-9% average per year is gone.

I'm not saying we're gonna crash btw, no one can tell what will happen the next few years. That's why Venom's 'analysis' has about the same value as a coin flip

exactly so you buy....and keep adding each month to either and index fund or a group of high quality stocks. Run a put spread on the spy giving you 5-10% of downside protection and call it a night and rott..

[White-Belt]

Guessing this is something no one predicted coming. Warren buying the motherfuking Apple dip.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/warren...115508339.html

I'm surprised by this.

We have to remember warren Buffett has a direct line to the CEO Tim Cook so it is entirely possible he knows something significant we do not.

I wonder what he sees.

[Lastro]

any nat gas and oil trader input on CHK?

my take is that there is a possible gap fill around 3.7, and that the plummet is due to fear more than anything else (there was a stock dilution recently)

EDIT: made 21% off some chk calls