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    Blacks don't know yet how good Bernie is for them. He has a 100% rating from both the ACLU and NAACP. As this gets discovered expect his ratings to rise.
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    Originally Posted by jwz1321 View Post
    This just isn't true. The US spends more per capita on health care than any country in the world yet our patient outcomes are worse than places in Europe with universal health care
    Thats the governments fault.

    So when you propose more government as the solution, you come off seeming like kind of a moron
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    Originally Posted by Beast92 View Post
    universal health care is a failure everywhere in the world, it is too expensive and everyone has to pay for it while only a few reap the benefits (the sick).

    That would also mean, that doctors need to start making normal salaries, closer to 50-100k, like in other western countries like the UK. If the system wants to be remotely succesful, it would also require to slash the cost of medical school by 70%
    Isn't Mexico a capitalist country?

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    lol @ uniformed idiots saying the US has a "convenient" health care system. There's a reason why America has one of the worst health care systems in the developed world.


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    Originally Posted by moonrakerelite View Post
    So he wants to make college free and that sounds cool in theory, but how about us who just graduated recently, does he plan on giving us "student debt amnesty" or whatever you want to call it...
    One of the things the actually decent portion of congress is pissed off about is how we were more than happy to give banks $trillions at 0 to 0.5% loans. While, by law, student loans can't be re-negotiated.

    He's continually pushed bills to cut the interest rates down to aroundabouts 2.5%. Since they did not involve dropping bombs on anyone or cutting taxes for rich people, they of course just die like every other bill proposed in congress. As the onion notes on his bio page.

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    Originally Posted by IronRooster2 View Post
    One of the things the actually decent portion of congress is pissed off about is how we were more than happy to give banks $trillions at 0 to 0.5% loans. While, by law, student loans can't be re-negotiated.

    He's continually pushed bills to cut the interest rates down to aroundabouts 2.5%. Since they did not involve dropping bombs on anyone or cutting taxes for rich people, they of course just die like every other bill proposed in congress. As the onion notes on his bio page.
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    Originally Posted by holtmcg View Post
    lol @ uniformed idiots saying the US has a "convenient" health care system. There's a reason why America has one of the worst health care systems in the developed world.


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    Imagine how much better our health care would be if the system wasn't clogged with people escaping socialist healthcare
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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    Imagine how much better our health care would be if the system wasn't clogged with people escaping socialist healthcare
    Common misconception.
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    Common misconception.
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    So why didn't he do that in Seattle?
    First, it wasn't his event (he was a last-minute addition). Second, event organizers were on stage to take control of the situation.



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    For all the folks that keep saying American healthcare is this or that, including you, Holtmcg. You have yet to post anything intelligent in this thread.

    There is one factor that NO statistic or source takes in to account; The US has the best and most accurate system of data recording. A few sources have gone as far as investigating healthcare results and found that the US, by far, recorded and tracked data more accurately than any other country in the world. Many countries simply dismiss certain patient outcomes altogether, while the US records EVERYTHING.

    The other issue with these graphs and statistics is that they don't reflect general health of Americans vs other countries. Americans tend to live less healthy lives than these other countries that have decent healthcare, so it looks like it's the healthcare system, when, in reality, it's simply bad patient outcomes because there are more high risk patients.

    One marker that is commonly used in determining these statistics for healthcare are neonatal mortality rates. Not only does America have the best data recording (again, some countries exclude certain categories of death, while the US doesn't. A death is a death to the US healthcare system, even if its natural causes).

    Did you know that the US has made more medical breakthroughs in the last 40 years, by a huge number, than any other country in the world too?

    Holtmcg, you are completely brainwashed. The myth that America has the worst healthcare has been debunked, and you're reply about convenience tells me you don't know even the first thing about medicine at all. You're another internet guru
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    Originally Posted by Stizzel View Post
    Thats the governments fault.

    So when you propose more government as the solution, you come off seeming like kind of a moron
    Wow I don't think I've ever seen someone demonstrate so much ignorance in such a short post. There are many factors leading to the inefficiency of the US healthcare system so when you say its all "the government's fault" you're telling me you have no idea what you're talking about. Go read Overtreated by Shannon Brownlee, maybe then your infantile mind can come up with a better response
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    Originally Posted by jwz1321 View Post
    Wow I don't think I've ever seen someone demonstrate so much ignorance in such a short post. There are many factors leading to the inefficiency of the US healthcare system so when you say its all "the government's fault" you're telling me you have no idea what you're talking about. Go read Overtreated by Shannon Brownlee, maybe then your infantile mind can come up with a better response
    Let's talk tort reform before talking about the over treatment of Americans. Let's talk about patient expectations and physician choices as well. It's all part of the equation
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    So he wants to make college free and that sounds cool in theory, but how about us who just graduated recently, does he plan on giving us "student debt amnesty" or whatever you want to call it...or do we have to start paying for peoples free college while paying off our own student loans?

    Srs question.
    Nothing is free . Someone is always paying for something and the notion of free college in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .
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    Nothing is free . Someone is always paying for something and the notion of free college in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .
    I agree entirely. Hence why i said am i going to be PAYING FOR PEOPLES FREE COLLEGE while simultaneously PAYING MY OWN LOAN BACK. Because fuk that noise.

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    the notion of free college in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .
    the notion of free primary education in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free roads in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free policemen in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free firemen in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free tv broadcasting in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free food in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free oxygen in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free electric grid in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free sewers in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free water pipes in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free healthcare in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free tax cuts in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free wars in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .

    the notion of free speech in theory is a great idea but realistically it's not possible .
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    Let me ask you something, how hard would you work if you knew you could lose large portions of your check?

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    I imagine same as I am now.
    Now? This is nothing compared to what socialism will do to your income after taxes. And right now we're bitching and complaining, at least those of us in the Middle Class.

    Socialism will destroy the Middle Class and what will be left is the filthy rich and the utterly poor.

    That's a fact.


    Originally Posted by holtmcg View Post
    lol @ uniformed idiots saying the US has a "convenient" health care system. There's a reason why America has one of the worst health care systems in the developed world.


    Morons, morons everywhere.
    Because health care providers aren't challenged? Because the small handful of health care providers are now officially monopolizing the health care industry and are safely protected by the government?

    Health care insurance should be abolished. It's a ****ing mafia scheme.

    You pay into insurance and if you don't ever go to the doctors not even for a check up.. what money of the insurance company.. OF YOUR money did you use? None.. so give me my ****ing money back for the year.

    But they won't.

    I rather pay out of pocket for the rest of my life than to pay into insurance for the rest of my life and barely even use any of the funds I've given them in insurance for my health care.

    Oh and look into the Talmud, the Jewish book.. there you will find the insurance scheme.
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    Wow I don't think I've ever seen someone demonstrate so much ignorance in such a short post. There are many factors leading to the inefficiency of the US healthcare system so when you say its all "the government's fault" you're telling me you have no idea what you're talking about. Go read Overtreated by Shannon Brownlee, maybe then your infantile mind can come up with a better response
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    Originally Posted by trailwarrior View Post
    First, it wasn't his event (he was a last-minute addition). Second, event organizers were on stage to take control of the situation
    Except they didn't take control of it. Did they?

    Your boy bernie was completely emasculated in front of the entire world.
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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    Let me ask you something, how hard would you work if you knew you could lose large portions of your check?

    /Socialism, communism, statism, collectivism
    How hard do you work knowing that almost the entirety of the taxes taken out of your check go directly into the pockets of the military and banks?
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    Originally Posted by illriginalized View Post
    Now? This is nothing compared to what socialism will do to your income after taxes. And right now we're bitching and complaining, at least those of us in the Middle Class.

    Socialism will destroy the Middle Class and what will be left is the filthy rich and the utterly poor.

    That's a fact.
    Prove it.

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    Originally Posted by jro9999 View Post
    How hard do you work knowing that almost the entirety of the taxes taken out of your check go directly into the pockets of the military and banks?


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    Originally Posted by GhenghisPWN View Post
    Prove it.

    There is a strong tendency to paint opinions as absolute fact on these boards, i.e. Muslims are predisposed to violence and making things go boom-boom.
    Who the **** do you think has to pay for all these stupid social programs? What you really think **** is for free? lol

    No the tax payer pays for all these stupid social programs.

    The middle class always gets screwed. Only the rich can afford health insurance, afford it without it effecting their bank account, the poor obviously get free hand outs at the tax payers expense.. the rich too can afford to deal with the IRS. While the Middle class hits a certain bracket where 30% or more of their income is stolen from them.. The poor? No they barely have to deal with the IRS stealing money from them.

    lol @ voting for a socialist.

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    I assume most answers would probably be

    1) He's a democrat (said by those who are righties)

    2) He's not a woman (said by those who are clinton fans, granted they wouldnt' actually say this, but it's pretty much the reason)



    Also, can we save the pseduo-history bs? Comparing socialist laws US would adopt to a communist state like the USSR is jokes\.

    Also, saying socialism goes against "what the country was made for" is also jokes...and shows a severe lack of historic knowledge (not to mention, it's not even relevant).
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