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    The definitive Kai Greene conspiracy thread (what really happened behind the scenes?)

    The IFBB, and Mr. Greene himself, owe bodybuilding fans an apology (or at the very least, an EXPLANATION) for Kai's absence from the 2015 Olympia pageant. Many bodybuilding fans throughout the world cancelled other plans, took holidays from work and put other important engagements on hold to attend the 2015 Olympia because they anticipated that Kai Greene would be on stage. WE purchased tickets, WE made plans, WE got our hopes up, and WE DESERVE ANSWERS.

    The pertinent questions, that we would like answered in a timely fashion, are as follows:

    1a) Was Kai Greene banned from participating in the 2015 Olympia pageant and expo, or did he choose not to participate?

    1b) If it was Kai Greene's own decision not to participate, then we would like a statement from Mr. Greene regarding his reason(s) for not participating in the 2015 Olympia pageant. A simple statement of facts would be nice, Mr. Greene, not more of your esoteric ramblings.

    2a) Is Kai Greene banned from competing in all future IFBB events, or was this a one-off thing? In other words, has Kai Greene received a life ban from the IFBB?

    2b) If the answer to the previous question is No, will Mr. Greene please clarify whether he intends to compete in any of the upcoming Post-Olympia IFBB shows, such as the 2015 Arnold Classic Europe in Madrid?

    2c) If Kai Greene HAS received a life ban from the IFBB, and/or does NOT intend to compete in any future IFBB events for whatever reason, what is his future in the sport of professional bodybuilding?



    SOMEBODY PLEASE POSE THESE QUESTIONS TO KAI'S SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS UNTIL WE GET A SATISFACTORY RESPONSE.
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    The reason Kai was not at the Olympia is that he did not sign the contract. He has not been banned.

    I don't see how any part of this is the IFBB's fault.
    We're dodging more ninjitsu attacks than Flex Wheeler. We're ducking more bullets than George Farah. We're facing more death than a kid leg pressing at Branch Warren's gym.

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    definitive, lol
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    Originally Posted by BartPimpson View Post
    The reason Kai was not at the Olympia is that he did not sign the contract. He has not been banned.

    I don't see how any part of this is the IFBB's fault.
    Then why did Mr. Greene decide not to participate after prepping for the event for a whole year and attaining an Olympia-worthy physique? Is it because participating would have breached his contractual obligations to MuscleMeds, Dynamik Muscle, ESPN, or Lee Thompson's new bodybuilding federation NPC Global?

    WE DESERVE ANSWERS, MR. GREENE.
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    My buddy's theory was that he did it to promote his new supplement company. Had he shown up at Olympia and taken 2nd, it wouldn't have looked as good, promotionally speaking. But with him absent, who knows whether he would have beaten Phil. The hype and mystery surrounding the whole thing has undoubtedly brought his company a lot of business. Pretty genius marketing move if you ask me
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    Originally Posted by WizardsOfAus View Post
    Then why did Mr. Greene decide not to participate after prepping for the event for a whole year and attaining an Olympia-worthy physique? Is it because participating would have breached his contractual obligations to MuscleMeds, Dynamik Muscle, ESPN, or Lee Thompson's new bodybuilding federation NPC Global?

    WE DESERVE ANSWERS, MR. GREENE.
    We don't know the full story, and Kai can't talk about it for legal reasons, but here's some conjecture:

    This likely has something to do with Dynamik. Wasn't there a kerfuffle about load-in fees for the convention or whatever? My suspicion is that Kai tried a power play against the IFBB, using his unsigned contract as leverage. "Either you do things my way, or you lose your second most popular athlete, n'yah n'yah!"

    If this is true, it obviously backfired on him. It seems clear to me that he was dieting and prepping for the show, so he must have assumed that the IFBB would back down rather than risk losing him. Well, they didn't.
    We're dodging more ninjitsu attacks than Flex Wheeler. We're ducking more bullets than George Farah. We're facing more death than a kid leg pressing at Branch Warren's gym.

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    Kai wanted a free booth to launch his new supplement line and he also wanted his companies name on the main stage for free. they told fuk off and he told them to fuk off
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    An owner of Blackstone Labs said that was not the case, Kai did not his booth for free
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    I agree Kai's fans deserve a clear explanation, regardless of any legal or confidentiality issues, which tbh are relatively minor matters in this case (there ain't billions of dollars or national security at stake). It's a simple matter of courtesy and respect, especially when the fans are expected to be the customers of his new ventures.
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    I don't think it has anything to do with IFBB at all, which he seemingly indicated.

    If it wasn't his choice, my idea would be contract issues with sponsors etc
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    Originally Posted by Koldfusion View Post
    My buddy's theory was that he did it to promote his new supplement company. Had he shown up at Olympia and taken 2nd, it wouldn't have looked as good, promotionally speaking. But with him absent, who knows whether he would have beaten Phil. The hype and mystery surrounding the whole thing has undoubtedly brought his company a lot of business. Pretty genius marketing move if you ask me
    oh yea, absolutely genius marketing to have fans not seeing him at all on stage, and not thinking about him during bodybuilding's biggest show.

    Lmao, take marketing 101 again please.. This is the worst theory of them all.

    Unless Kai looked like utter crap (not a chance) showing up would be infinitely better for his brand than fading into the shadows with a 9 minute video of him sobbing
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    I think we'll never know what is the real reasons. Everyone even He can say the thing but they may not be the real reasons why he was not compete at Olympia 2015.
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    previous supplement company contract issues guarantee thats it
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    Originally Posted by Koldfusion View Post
    The hype and mystery surrounding the whole thing has undoubtedly brought his company a lot of business. Pretty genius marketing move if you ask me
    I don't know if it will be one week from now, or one month from now, but some time very soon nobody will care why Kai didn't show up. It will be a footnote in bodybuilding history. But people will still be talking about Phil-Dexter for a while and sharing photos. There are no Photos of Kai at the 2015 Olympia. If you're a bodybuilder looking for good publicity, you need to get your pictures out there.
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    ^ It makes sense for, say, Levrone to tease comebacks and not deliver. But Kai Greene?

    That's like Mayweather failing to show up for his $100 million fight because it builds controversy and is good marketing.
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    He chose not to sign his contract so he couldn't participate. Simple as that. Is it possible he was somehow blackmailed to do so? Ofcourse but you people don't seriously think that he will just say so right?
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    Originally Posted by WizardsOfAus View Post
    WE DESERVE ANSWERS, MR. GREENE.
    actually we arent "deserved" any answers. Its not our business. Its between whomever was involved. we are not "entitled" to things like many younger people think..IF and when the whole story is told,we'll know then.
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    previous supplement company contract issues guarantee thats it
    This.
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    Just answer the question & give fans something u cryptic ...
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    Originally Posted by mikieson View Post
    actually we arent "deserved" any answers. Its not our business. Its between whomever was involved. we are not "entitled" to things like many younger people think..IF and when the whole story is told,we'll know then.
    Actually, the thousands of fans who flew in from around the country/world and spend their hard-earned money/vacation time to see Kai probably do deserve some answers lol.

    I personally could care less and hope he just fades into obscurity (this is coming from someone who used to be a HUGE Kai fan..) but people are seriously pissed off.
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    Originally Posted by mikieson View Post
    actually we arent "deserved" any answers. Its not our business. Its between whomever was involved. we are not "entitled" to things like many younger people think..IF and when the whole story is told,we'll know then.
    A lot of people spent good money wanting to see Kai compete. He's done a lot for bringing in fans, as well as DLB. I'd say those people deserve answers when it's their hard earned money they spent and they are THE reason these competitions exist.
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    Originally Posted by stan_dias View Post




    Just answer the question & give fans something u cryptic ...
    i was hoping and praying no one would post this video.

    WARNING: DO NOT WATCH IT

    you literally learn NOTHING about the situation from this video and it will leave you more frustrated than you already are. Kai doesn't answer a single question that's asked
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    Originally Posted by Koldfusion View Post
    My buddy's theory was that he did it to promote his new supplement company. Had he shown up at Olympia and taken 2nd, it wouldn't have looked as good, promotionally speaking. But with him absent, who knows whether he would have beaten Phil. The hype and mystery surrounding the whole thing has undoubtedly brought his company a lot of business. Pretty genius marketing move if you ask me
    That's low and a sellout. Kai has no chance against Heath. No love. You saw how Heath tossed that four hundred grand that dude was trying to pimp? Thought that was cool
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    Originally Posted by stan_dias View Post




    Just answer the question & give fans something u cryptic ...
    Classic Kai. 17 minutes of interview to say absolutely nothing.
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    Originally Posted by WizardsOfAus View Post
    The IFBB, and Mr. Greene himself, owe bodybuilding fans an apology (or at the very least, an EXPLANATION) for Kai's absence from the 2015 Olympia pageant. Many bodybuilding fans throughout the world cancelled other plans, took holidays from work and put other important engagements on hold to attend the 2015 Olympia because they anticipated that Kai Greene would be on stage. WE purchased tickets, WE made plans, WE got our hopes up, and WE DESERVE ANSWERS.

    The pertinent questions, that we would like answered in a timely fashion, are as follows:

    1a) Was Kai Greene banned from participating in the 2015 Olympia pageant and expo, or did he choose not to participate?

    1b) If it was Kai Greene's own decision not to participate, then we would like a statement from Mr. Greene regarding his reason(s) for not participating in the 2015 Olympia pageant. A simple statement of facts would be nice, Mr. Greene, not more of your esoteric ramblings.

    2a) Is Kai Greene banned from competing in all future IFBB events, or was this a one-off thing? In other words, has Kai Greene received a life ban from the IFBB?

    2b) If the answer to the previous question is No, will Mr. Greene please clarify whether he intends to compete in any of the upcoming Post-Olympia IFBB shows, such as the 2015 Arnold Classic Europe in Madrid?

    2c) If Kai Greene HAS received a life ban from the IFBB, and/or does NOT intend to compete in any future IFBB events for whatever reason, what is his future in the sport of professional bodybuilding?



    SOMEBODY PLEASE POSE THESE QUESTIONS TO KAI'S SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS UNTIL WE GET A SATISFACTORY RESPONSE.

    Kai failed to sign his agreement to compete. He screwed up. He is pointing the finger at IFBB for his credulous fans to believe is the cause of him not competing.
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    I use to be a Kai fan.. so sick of him.talking **** in interviews.. he isn't ever 'real' and rambles without giving any answers...

    He didn't do the show it was his choice.. sign the damn contract it's that easy...

    He would have been out of shape as always..
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    Originally Posted by NaturalLoco View Post
    I use to be a Kai fan.. so sick of him.talking **** in interviews.. he isn't ever 'real' and rambles without giving any answers...

    He didn't do the show it was his choice.. sign the damn contract it's that easy...

    He would have been out of shape as always..
    How can you be concise when you're legally prevented from answering certain questions?

    What would he have to gain from skipping the olympia?

    Why would he be looking shredded 3 weeks out if he didn't plan on competing?




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    Originally Posted by endurancell View Post
    How can you be concise when you're legally prevented from answering certain questions?

    What would he have to gain from skipping the olympia?

    Why would he be looking shredded 3 weeks out if he didn't plan on competing?




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    Has kai said anywhere "i legally cannot say why i cannot compete"? Because "there are greater forces at work than i can tell you" doesn't cut it for me. One is definitive and would end all the controversy without any additional details. The other is an excuse.

    I went from being a big kai fan to not being one anymore as well. He used to be an inspiration but the entire drama/shadyness about this situation lowered me to just a fan of his physique.
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    I think he was strong armed out of the Olympia just as BB.com was.

    I think it is likely a similar situation in that, yes, BB.com opted out of the Olympia but they were strong armed and refused to give in to the IFBB demanding increased and exorbitant costs.

    I think a similar premise lies within the Kai issue. Some kind of unique contractual disagreement with Kai, AMI, IFBB and who knows who else, all likely called eachothers bluff and this was the end result.
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