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    I have just gotten serious about building muscle after 20 years of maintaining. I would like to compete. I think that it will take 3 to 5 years of building to reach 200-205 for competition in my age group. What I am asking is does my frame and genetics have the potential for that amount of muscle? thanks!
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    Originally Posted by Littlechubs View Post
    does my frame and genetics have the potential for that amount of muscle?
    That amount of ripped muscle has nothing to do with your frame or genetics.
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    Originally Posted by Littlechubs View Post
    I have just gotten serious about building muscle after 20 years of maintaining. I would like to compete. I think that it will take 3 to 5 years of building to reach 200-205 for competition in my age group. What I am asking is does my frame and genetics have the potential for that amount of muscle? thanks!
    At your height, attaining 200 pounds body weight---in contest condition---would be extremely ambitious.




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    Originally Posted by grubman View Post
    That amount of ripped muscle has nothing to do with your frame or genetics.
    The amount of ripped muscle you can carry has EVERYTHING to do with frame size and genetics.


    That said, there has never been a human being ever recorded that was natural to be in stage condition at 5'8 and weigh 200+lbs. That would yeild a FFMI (fat free mass index of 30) Highest ever observed in a natural trainee (even going back to former Mr Universes and top natural bodybuilder of all time) is 25.

    Top natural guys 5'8 step on stage at 170 to mid 170s. Frank Zane would step on stage in the low 180's. (and I dont think anyone would consider his physique natural).

    You need to learn what is realistic starting with lean body mass and bodyfat estimation. Most people GREATLY underestimate how much fat they carry.

    As for muscular potential.....Casey Butts calculator is about as good as it gets. Guess what, it is based on genetics and frame size (sorry Grub). It is based upon genetics as it is compiled from the information of years of top level natural bodybuilders. It stands to reason that the best of the best have the best genetics to support their ability to carry muscle. It also directly references frame size and there has been shown a direct correlation to muscular potential and joint size.

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    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    The amount of ripped muscle you can carry has EVERYTHING to do with frame size and genetics.


    That said, there has never been a human being ever recorded that was natural to be in stage condition at 5'8 and weigh 200+lbs.
    I was saying the same thing as you...just more subtle.
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    Originally Posted by Littlechubs View Post
    I have just gotten serious about building muscle after 20 years of maintaining. I would like to compete. I think that it will take 3 to 5 years of building to reach 200-205 for competition in my age group. What I am asking is does my frame and genetics have the potential for that amount of muscle? thanks!
    3-5 years to put on 50 lbs of muscle??? LOL this has to be a troll thread. Even if only 2/3rds of that weight increase is muscle that is still an impossible task unless you are bike riding.
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    Originally Posted by Littlechubs View Post
    I have just gotten serious about building muscle after 20 years of maintaining. I would like to compete. I think that it will take 3 to 5 years of building to reach 200-205 for competition in my age group. What I am asking is does my frame and genetics have the potential for that amount of muscle? thanks!
    To be competitive your body fat must be at least in the 6% to 4% range. Using 5% that's 190 lbs of lean mass at 200 lbs. If your current weight is 155 lbs and I'm guessing your body fat percent may be 13% I'm estimating your lean mass about 135 lbs. That's gain of about 55 lbs of lean mass.

    I personally think going from 155 to 205 for competition in 3 to 5 years is extremely too optimistic.

    Also in a majority of masters bodybuilding competitions the masters competitors are in one class regardless of weight. It's more about symmetry and conditioning.
    How can you visualize training a muscle if you don't know its structure?
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    I posted about a similar topic not too long ago, and I had a question about something in one of the calculators. Here's the link:

    http://www.weightrainer.net/bodypred.html

    They give two different weights. One is bulked and one is unbulked. So assuming the bodyfat percentages are the same, what would be the difference between these two? Would there be any difference in appearance? And if so, exactly how do you get into the 'bulked' state? Carbing up or something?
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    This is all very helpful stuff...Thank you guys....5 years and 50 pounds of lean muscle. I think I'll do that. Yeah, I am going to do that.
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    Originally Posted by Littlechubs View Post
    This is all very helpful stuff...Thank you guys....5 years and 50 pounds of lean muscle. I think I'll do that. Yeah, I am going to do that.
    Good luck with that, see you in 5 years looking exactly the same.
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    Originally Posted by Littlechubs View Post
    I have just gotten serious about building muscle after 20 years of maintaining. I would like to compete. I think that it will take 3 to 5 years of building to reach 200-205 for competition in my age group. What I am asking is does my frame and genetics have the potential for that amount of muscle? thanks!
    No, guys are your height are not competing in that weight range. It's completely unrealistic and your thoughts of adding 50 lbs of muscle in 5 years...yeah it doesn't work like that at all.
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    This is all very helpful stuff...Thank you guys....5 years and 50 pounds of lean muscle. I think I'll do that. Yeah, I am going to do that.
    No, you're not.
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    No, guys are your height are not competing in that weight range. It's completely unrealistic and your thoughts of adding 50 lbs of muscle in 5 years...yeah it doesn't work like that at all.
    OP is Beatrice on the left.
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    OP is Beatrice on the left.
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    LMAO best post I've seen today! Someone please rep Corbi as I'm always on spread with him!
    Repped him. It was pretty funny!
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    you've been lifting for 20 years and expect to put on 50lbs in a 'few years' and be as big as Frank Zane in his prime.

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