Palumboism: Has Dave spoken about it?

[MoonWalker0]

Hey guys, I was just curious if Dave Palumbo has ever spoken about this before? Has he ever addressed the reasons behind it or what he thinks about it?

Video that explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0uHXknj8rs

[Diamhea]

I've only ever seen him mention the fact that he never had the best shape, but I would like to see the responses here because palumboism intrigues me.

[MoonWalker0]

He must be aware of what people call Palumboism? Surely?

[ResovoirDog]

He must be aware of what people call Palumboism? Surely?

A bloated, messy looking stomach

[Jai23]

He spoke about it recently in one of his Ask Dave videos. He talked about what he thinks causes it and how to prevent it. He believes it comes down to fibre intake.

[MoonWalker0]

He spoke about it recently in one of his Ask Dave videos. He talked about what he thinks causes it and how to prevent it. He believes it comes down to fibre intake.

You serious??? Link that video please!

[flangmasterj]

He spoke about it recently in one of his Ask Dave videos. He talked about what he thinks causes it and how to prevent it. He believes it comes down to fibre intake.

[MoonWalker0]

I'm really interested in what Palumbo says about this. It must be so embarrassing for him...

[Devils]

Its called injecting slin right into the gut

[MoonWalker0]

Really? Is that what causes it?

Does anyone have a video link on what causes Palumboism?

It must be so embarrassing for him. Poor Dave...

[hairlineofpeace]

He spoke about it recently in one of his Ask Dave videos. He talked about what he thinks causes it and how to prevent it. He believes it comes down to fibre intake.

lol


Only thing fibre gives me is a good digestive process. Pretty sure it has something to do with internal organs gaining size.

[BartPimpson]

Really? Is that what causes it?

Does anyone have a video link on what causes Palumboism?

It must be so embarrassing for him. Poor Dave...

It's just a folk definition for when you have a distended stomach but atrophied arms and/or legs. Ronnie '04 did not have Palumboism, nor did Kai '10. Ben Pak '12 definitely did, though.

As to what causes it, there's probably no one thing. Likely some combination of mega slin+GH dosages and screwed up prep.

[blindsideflank]

I usually avoid these threads but...

I think one thing that doesn't come up in these threads often enough (or people choose to ignore it when it is brought up) is visceral fat. Rapidly losing fat before a competition has become the norm but the loss of visceral fat is apparently slower (there are studies). I think that we are often seeing guys with little fat on their abs but lots underneath (relatively speaking). This would help explain why guys that stay lean year round usually have better waists.

Also, in regards to organ growth, there are other factors such as a fatty liver from lifestyle choices etc., I don't think it just "his intestines dun grown real big cuz of ...."



Shave off that front layer over the abs in 12 weeks but what continues to lie below?

[weltweitefurcht]

Blindsideflank is right. It's actually visceral fat. There isn't much mystery around the distention. DEXA scans have shown it. Pros have even mentioned it themselves.

Visceral fat is slightly different than subcutaneous fat because it tends to store more when there is high insulin present, high cortisol present and also estrogen. It burns off easier during HIIT training than low intensity cardio.

When people elevate insulin levels and growth hormone levels, they are releasing fatty acids through lipolysis from the growth hormone, and then they are storing that again with the insulin as visceral tissue. In the presence of insulin, fat burning essentially halts and redistribution can occur towards the midsection.

In fact, growth hormone causes lipolysis of visceral fat significantly. It is the insulin usage and higher cortisol levels that cause the problem. Additionally, high testosterone levels (specifically testosterone) have been known to increase visceral storage as well. This is called "test belly".

If left alone for extended periods of times, the abdominal area can start to separate as I'm sure you all have noticed in some pros as they got larger and larger. This is medically documented.

Organ growth does not account for that large distention. The stomach wall lining does have the most concentration of IGF receptors, this is true, but intestinal wall thickening is insignificant.

If a pro was to take time off from using specific hormones and use other hormones known to actually eat away at visceral fat with low carb diets for extended periods of time (essentially holding a fairly lean condition well past their competition), then they can reduce that fat.

The issue is, that they are competitors and they do not want to be left behind the pack. So they have to drive forward hoping things like this are overlooked by the fans and judges, rather than take a year off and do things right to clean themselves up.

[DanielEver]

Blindsideflank is right. It's actually visceral fat. There isn't much mystery around the distention. DEXA scans have shown it. Pros have even mentioned it themselves.

The problem is, really nasty distentions tend to go along with shrinking limbs which isn't quite explained yet as far as I know.

[sy2502]

I thought it was some form of Cushing's disease.

[Canuck77]

The problem is, really nasty distentions tend to go along with shrinking limbs which isn't quite explained yet as far as I know.

As well as cranial growth/changes.

Also, the muscles appear to be melting, have that distinct melting look with Palumboism. look at Kevin Levrone lately, he is 50, muscles are full and round, Palumbo on the other hand, his muscles appear to take on a melted like appearance.

[Canuck77]

What is Palumboism or Palumbism ?

Palumboism is a rare, complex disease only seen in the nether ranks of competitive bodybuilders.

The condition is first characterised by the sudden development of an enormous midsection whereby the entire width of the trunk, ribcage and pelvis grows disproportionately whilst the oblique muscles will thicken rapidly and the abdomen will become distended with the patient unable to hold in their stomach.



The condition is further characterised by chronic metamorphasies of the facial and cranial features, culminating in thick folds of dermal tissue round the mouth and thickening of the Levator labii. Mandibular and mental protuberance hypertrophy and overall cranial hyperplasia, accompanied by a dramatic increase in the size of the frontal ridge follows. Premature aging is also common with Palumboism



A particularly spectacular symptom used to confirm diagnosis are disproportionally small limbs on the otherwise gigantic upper body. This is first observed in the upper limbs, where the arms seem to remain in a catabolic shrinking state compared to the torso who's internal structures are growing out of control in all directions. The reasons for this are not yet understood. The quadraceps muscles of the legs also seem to be ever shrinking.

Overall a more neanderthal type structure develops:





In advanced Palumboism the outer dermis takes on a crackly brittle look, almost as if the patient has been glazed or varnished like a ceramic souvenier. The color of the skin will become uneven displaying varying hues and shades from grey to bright orange throughout the entire body, whilst the skin may appear weathered and abnormally aged.



There may also be a high level of vascular distension which never seems to go away in the patient, this will often result in veins having a 'worn out' apperance.

Perhaps the most unusual and distressing issue is that the patient seems totally unaware of what is happening to him.

Post mortem examination of patients sometimes reveals large quantities of a foreign oil-like substance in the biceps and anterior deltoid muscle heads.


What causes Palumboism ?

It is not fully known what causes the disease, although it is speculated that a genetic predisposition combined with an over reliance on high and never ending doses of various anabolic drugs accompanied by a gradual 'shut down' or mutation of the patient's own endiginous endocrine system possibly awakening dormant cro-magnonesque genes are causative factors.

Although Palumboism shares some symptoms with Acromegaly it should not be confused due to the additional conditions described above when making a diagnosis.


Treatments

There is no known cure for Palumboism, as long as the patient remains on his drug regimen there is little comfort and the condition will continue to deteriorate.

Promptly discontinuing drug use may halt further development of the condition although it cannot be fully reversed.





Palumboism in women

Although Palumboism can occur in the female sex it is extremely rare for the condition to reach the advanced stages witnessed in men, therefore accurate and prompt diagnosis becomes more difficult.

Whilst it should be noted that female Palumboism must not be directly confused with the seperate condition of virilization which is more commonly encountered, more cases of female Palumboism are being diagnosed and reported everyday.

[lmnopotts]

Would not buy his over priced supps



Would totally buy this bust though.