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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    the FDA isn't the one claiming anything right now. I do know for a fact however that the FDA has previously tested acacia rigidula in question, and had nothing to say about it.


    when the FDA has somethign to say about the matter, then I'll take this seriously.
    Taking it seriously now? Remember that time you trashed Driven and Craze?

    fda. gov/Food/DietarySupplements/QADietarySupplements/ucm443790.htm

    BMPEA in Dietary Supplements

    BMPEA is a substance that does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act defines a dietary ingredient as a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. BMPEA is none of these, rendering misbranded any products that declare BMPEA as a dietary supplement.

    BMPEA is also known as:

    βMePEA
    R-beta-methylphenethylamine
    R-beta-methylphenethylamine HCl
    Beta-methylphenethylamine
    β-methylphenylethylamine
    1-amino-2-phenylpropane
    2-phenylpropan-1-amine
    2-phenylpropylamine
    alpha-benzylethylamine
    1-phenyl-1-methyl-2-aminoethane
    beta-methylbenzeneethanamine
    beta-phenylpropylamine
    2- phenyl-1-propanamine

    Recent FDA Action on Dietary Supplements Labeled as Containing BMPEA

    April 2015

    On April 23, 2015, the FDA issued warning letters to five companies regarding a total of eight products for which the product labeling lists BMPEA as a dietary ingredient. Two of the companies further identified the source of this stimulant as the botanical Acacia rigidula.

    Under existing law, including the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act passed by Congress in 1994, the FDA can take action to remove products from the market, but the agency must first establish that such products are adulterated (e.g., that the product is unsafe) or misbranded (e.g., that the labeling is false or misleading).

    While BMPEA was listed as a dietary ingredient on the product labels, the substance does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act defines a dietary ingredient as a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. BMPEA is none of these, rendering misbranded any products that declare BMPEA as a dietary supplement. Additionally, relating to the two companies that identified the botanical Acacia rigidula as the source of the BMPEA, research conducted by the FDA in 2013 established that BMPEA is not a constituent or extract of Acacia rigidula. FDA considers these specific products to be misbranded for this reason, as well.

    The companies have 15 business days from the date of receipt of the letter to communicate to the agency the specific steps they will take to bring their products into compliance with the law.

    The agency will continue to update this page in the event additional actions are taken related to BMPEA or Acacia rigidula.

    For More Information:

    FDA Research on BMPEA and Acacia rigidula
    Warning Letters
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (Products: Fastin-XR (extended release), Fastin-RR (rapid release), Lipodrene (Ephedra Free))


    Tribravus Enterprises, LLC d/b/a iForce Nutrition (Products: Conquer (Fruit Punch Slam & Raspberry Lemonade flavors))


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    Originally Posted by T1nshot View Post
    Taking it seriously now? Remember that time you trashed Driven and Craze?

    fda. gov/Food/DietarySupplements/QADietarySupplements/ucm443790.htm

    BMPEA in Dietary Supplements

    BMPEA is a substance that does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act defines a dietary ingredient as a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. BMPEA is none of these, rendering misbranded any products that declare BMPEA as a dietary supplement.

    BMPEA is also known as:

    βMePEA
    R-beta-methylphenethylamine
    R-beta-methylphenethylamine HCl
    Beta-methylphenethylamine
    β-methylphenylethylamine
    1-amino-2-phenylpropane
    2-phenylpropan-1-amine
    2-phenylpropylamine
    alpha-benzylethylamine
    1-phenyl-1-methyl-2-aminoethane
    beta-methylbenzeneethanamine
    beta-phenylpropylamine
    2- phenyl-1-propanamine

    Recent FDA Action on Dietary Supplements Labeled as Containing BMPEA

    April 2015

    On April 23, 2015, the FDA issued warning letters to five companies regarding a total of eight products for which the product labeling lists BMPEA as a dietary ingredient. Two of the companies further identified the source of this stimulant as the botanical Acacia rigidula.

    Under existing law, including the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act passed by Congress in 1994, the FDA can take action to remove products from the market, but the agency must first establish that such products are adulterated (e.g., that the product is unsafe) or misbranded (e.g., that the labeling is false or misleading).

    While BMPEA was listed as a dietary ingredient on the product labels, the substance does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act defines a dietary ingredient as a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. BMPEA is none of these, rendering misbranded any products that declare BMPEA as a dietary supplement. Additionally, relating to the two companies that identified the botanical Acacia rigidula as the source of the BMPEA, research conducted by the FDA in 2013 established that BMPEA is not a constituent or extract of Acacia rigidula. FDA considers these specific products to be misbranded for this reason, as well.

    The companies have 15 business days from the date of receipt of the letter to communicate to the agency the specific steps they will take to bring their products into compliance with the law.

    The agency will continue to update this page in the event additional actions are taken related to BMPEA or Acacia rigidula.

    For More Information:

    FDA Research on BMPEA and Acacia rigidula
    Warning Letters
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (Products: Fastin-XR (extended release), Fastin-RR (rapid release), Lipodrene (Ephedra Free))


    Tribravus Enterprises, LLC d/b/a iForce Nutrition (Products: Conquer (Fruit Punch Slam & Raspberry Lemonade flavors))


    Train Naked Labs LLC (Products: Critical FX, Sudden Impact)
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    Originally Posted by T1nshot View Post
    Taking it seriously now? Remember that time you trashed Driven and Craze?

    fda. gov/Food/DietarySupplements/QADietarySupplements/ucm443790.htm

    BMPEA in Dietary Supplements

    BMPEA is a substance that does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act defines a dietary ingredient as a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. BMPEA is none of these, rendering misbranded any products that declare BMPEA as a dietary supplement.

    BMPEA is also known as:

    βMePEA
    R-beta-methylphenethylamine
    R-beta-methylphenethylamine HCl
    Beta-methylphenethylamine
    β-methylphenylethylamine
    1-amino-2-phenylpropane
    2-phenylpropan-1-amine
    2-phenylpropylamine
    alpha-benzylethylamine
    1-phenyl-1-methyl-2-aminoethane
    beta-methylbenzeneethanamine
    beta-phenylpropylamine
    2- phenyl-1-propanamine

    Recent FDA Action on Dietary Supplements Labeled as Containing BMPEA

    April 2015

    On April 23, 2015, the FDA issued warning letters to five companies regarding a total of eight products for which the product labeling lists BMPEA as a dietary ingredient. Two of the companies further identified the source of this stimulant as the botanical Acacia rigidula.

    Under existing law, including the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act passed by Congress in 1994, the FDA can take action to remove products from the market, but the agency must first establish that such products are adulterated (e.g., that the product is unsafe) or misbranded (e.g., that the labeling is false or misleading).

    While BMPEA was listed as a dietary ingredient on the product labels, the substance does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act defines a dietary ingredient as a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. BMPEA is none of these, rendering misbranded any products that declare BMPEA as a dietary supplement. Additionally, relating to the two companies that identified the botanical Acacia rigidula as the source of the BMPEA, research conducted by the FDA in 2013 established that BMPEA is not a constituent or extract of Acacia rigidula. FDA considers these specific products to be misbranded for this reason, as well.

    The companies have 15 business days from the date of receipt of the letter to communicate to the agency the specific steps they will take to bring their products into compliance with the law.

    The agency will continue to update this page in the event additional actions are taken related to BMPEA or Acacia rigidula.

    For More Information:

    FDA Research on BMPEA and Acacia rigidula
    Warning Letters
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals, Inc. (Products: Fastin-XR (extended release), Fastin-RR (rapid release), Lipodrene (Ephedra Free))


    Tribravus Enterprises, LLC d/b/a iForce Nutrition (Products: Conquer (Fruit Punch Slam & Raspberry Lemonade flavors))


    Train Naked Labs LLC (Products: Critical FX, Sudden Impact)
    Better Body Sports, LLC (Product: Phoenix Extreme)
    Human Evolution Supplements, Inc. (Product: Core Burner)

    but...but..acacia is on the label LOL
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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    the FDA isn't the one claiming anything right now. I do know for a fact however that the FDA has previously tested acacia rigidula in question, and had nothing to say about it.


    when the FDA has somethign to say about the matter, then I'll take this seriously.
    FDA says iForce is selling DRUGS!!! ....AGAIN!!!

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    Originally Posted by Truth Speaker View Post
    FDA says iForce is selling DRUGS!!! ....AGAIN!!!

    http://www.fda.gov/iceci/enforcement.../ucm444041.htm
    They have it in a few products...
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    I don't get it. If BMPEA / acacia is considered a "speed-like compound", it is a really lame one. It's not even remotely close to the feeling/effects of traditional amphetamines/speed.
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    I'm surprised GAT would be involved in such a scandal.
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    Originally Posted by josephmcarrello View Post
    I'm surprised GAT would be involved in such a scandal.
    You know GAT makes the Cloma Pharma line which uses all kinds of ridiculous ingredients...
    Such much Placebo in here.
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    Originally Posted by GetRippedInc View Post
    You know GAT makes the Cloma Pharma line which uses all kinds of ridiculous ingredients...
    I actually didn't know that..

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    another example that when ever supplements work they are pulled from shelves





    is it for our health?


    it rarely is


    its pulled because and now they can study it so they will make it a pharmaceutical drug while raking in millions
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    Originally Posted by Bliptrip View Post
    I don't get it. If BMPEA / acacia is considered a "speed-like compound", it is a really lame one. It's not even remotely close to the feeling/effects of traditional amphetamines/speed.


    of course its lame and the media will hype it up and say " amphetamines found in supplement products, beware!!"


    its amphetamine "LIKE"


    its not actually amphetamines




    but of course people will gob it up and think its the real deal
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    Taking it seriously now? Remember that time you trashed Driven and Craze?

    fda. gov/Food/DietarySupplements/QADietarySupplements/ucm443790.htm

    BMPEA in Dietary Supplements

    BMPEA is a substance that does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act defines a dietary ingredient as a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. BMPEA is none of these, rendering misbranded any products that declare BMPEA as a dietary supplement.

    BMPEA is also known as:

    βMePEA
    R-beta-methylphenethylamine
    R-beta-methylphenethylamine HCl
    Beta-methylphenethylamine
    β-methylphenylethylamine
    1-amino-2-phenylpropane
    2-phenylpropan-1-amine
    2-phenylpropylamine
    alpha-benzylethylamine
    1-phenyl-1-methyl-2-aminoethane
    beta-methylbenzeneethanamine
    beta-phenylpropylamine
    2- phenyl-1-propanamine

    Recent FDA Action on Dietary Supplements Labeled as Containing BMPEA

    April 2015

    On April 23, 2015, the FDA issued warning letters to five companies regarding a total of eight products for which the product labeling lists BMPEA as a dietary ingredient. Two of the companies further identified the source of this stimulant as the botanical Acacia rigidula.

    Under existing law, including the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act passed by Congress in 1994, the FDA can take action to remove products from the market, but the agency must first establish that such products are adulterated (e.g., that the product is unsafe) or misbranded (e.g., that the labeling is false or misleading).

    While BMPEA was listed as a dietary ingredient on the product labels, the substance does not meet the statutory definition of a dietary ingredient. The Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act defines a dietary ingredient as a vitamin; mineral; herb or other botanical; amino acid; dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake; or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of the preceding substances. BMPEA is none of these, rendering misbranded any products that declare BMPEA as a dietary supplement. Additionally, relating to the two companies that identified the botanical Acacia rigidula as the source of the BMPEA, research conducted by the FDA in 2013 established that BMPEA is not a constituent or extract of Acacia rigidula. FDA considers these specific products to be misbranded for this reason, as well.

    The companies have 15 business days from the date of receipt of the letter to communicate to the agency the specific steps they will take to bring their products into compliance with the law.

    The agency will continue to update this page in the event additional actions are taken related to BMPEA or Acacia rigidula.

    For More Information:

    FDA Research on BMPEA and Acacia rigidula
    Warning Letters
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    Tribravus Enterprises, LLC d/b/a iForce Nutrition (Products: Conquer (Fruit Punch Slam & Raspberry Lemonade flavors))


    Train Naked Labs LLC (Products: Critical FX, Sudden Impact)
    Better Body Sports, LLC (Product: Phoenix Extreme)
    Human Evolution Supplements, Inc. (Product: Core Burner)

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    Bro gonna bro.

    The majority of supplement companies have massive marketing and sales departments. They have NOBODY in QC. QC is the person placing a purchase order and collecting COA's from the manufacture. That's not a QC person. As long as the penalty for doing all this dumb **** is a fraction of the profit, it won't deter a single person. That's why these things have gone on for a decade and will continue to gone on.

    Your choice as a consumer to support dumb **** companies or those who are actually trying to do things the right way. Bro gonna bro.
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    Originally Posted by Mike McCandless View Post
    Bro gonna bro.

    The majority of supplement companies have massive marketing and sales departments. They have NOBODY in QC. QC is the person placing a purchase order and collecting COA's from the manufacture. That's not a QC person. As long as the penalty for doing all this dumb **** is a fraction of the profit, it won't deter a single person. That's why these things have gone on for a decade and will continue to gone on.

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    What is BMPEA and why do I care if it's in supplements, on the label?

    Like, obviously I don't want it in a supplement without them saying so, but if it's on the label, who the **** cares?
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    Originally Posted by Mike McCandless View Post
    Bro gonna bro.

    The majority of supplement companies have massive marketing and sales departments. They have NOBODY in QC. QC is the person placing a purchase order and collecting COA's from the manufacture. That's not a QC person. As long as the penalty for doing all this dumb **** is a fraction of the profit, it won't deter a single person. That's why these things have gone on for a decade and will continue to gone on.

    Your choice as a consumer to support dumb **** companies or those who are actually trying to do things the right way. Bro gonna bro.
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    I like how all the other board reps have disappeared, like usual...
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    Originally Posted by HeavenBeyond View Post
    I like how all the other board reps have disappeared, like usual...
    Reps rarely have answers when it comes to this type of thing and I think some are probably told to go silent as to not put anything out in public that could make a situation worse.
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    The supplement industry is a joke (along with the fitness industry). What do you expect from people who have little to no scientific background and do not have the proper perspective to interpret the findings of the very small amount of (uncontrolled) studies pertaining to the chit they put in their 'proprietary blends'? Most supps are useless garbage you would be better off (health wise and monetarily) not consuming. A lot of supps are formulated by skittle consuming meatheads.....like those dumb gorillas from Black Stone Labs.

    I'm a scientist (MS Geology), so I know how to place a study in its proper context. Most people do not know how, despite thinking they can learn everything on Google. Compound that with the fact a large portion of the population in general are ignorant dumb fuks, which is further compounded by the fact that a lot of people sucked into the fitness industry are vain dipchits......creates the main issue with the industry: a vicious circle of dumbfukery.

    If you choose to take supplements, tell your doctor. Despite you thinking you know more because you are an armchair scientist, you don't. Or talk to a pharmacist. From what I've gathered during my time on these boards, more than half of you are idiots.
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    Originally Posted by Mike McCandless View Post
    Bro gonna bro.

    The majority of supplement companies have massive marketing and sales departments. They have NOBODY in QC. QC is the person placing a purchase order and collecting COA's from the manufacture. That's not a QC person. As long as the penalty for doing all this dumb **** is a fraction of the profit, it won't deter a single person. That's why these things have gone on for a decade and will continue to gone on.

    Your choice as a consumer to support dumb **** companies or those who are actually trying to do things the right way. Bro gonna bro.
    I was wondering? ....does that go for supporting companies that sell the "dumb companies" products with DRUGS in them too?

    http://thermolife.d.pr/1aqDj

    http://thermolife.d.pr/1iuVf

    etc... etc...

    The hypocrisy is deafening here.
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    Originally Posted by Truth Speaker View Post
    I was wondering? ....does that go for supporting companies that sell the "dumb companies" products with DRUGS in them too?

    http://www.*****************/evogen-...-capsules.html

    http://www.*****************/iforce-...lam-10-pk.html

    etc... etc...

    The hypocrisy is deafening here.
    I know Mike has stated before he has little involvement with site anymore I believe but I could be wrong.
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    Originally Posted by Marshall28 View Post
    I know Mike has stated before he has little involvement with site anymore I believe but I could be wrong.
    Considering the subject matter here plausible deniability = more hypocrisy.
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