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    https://www.roguefitness.com/westside-scout-hyper

    First reverse hyper I have actually been interested in. Never wanted to dedicate so much space to something I felt was limited in use but this looks like it folds away pretty easily. Going to wait to see how people like it though because it definitely looks less stable than the other units.
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    Originally Posted by ncsuLuke View Post
    https://www.roguefitness.com/westside-scout-hyper

    First reverse hyper I have actually been interested in. Never wanted to dedicate so much space to something I felt was limited in use but this looks like it folds away pretty easily. Going to wait to see how people like it though because it definitely looks less stable than the other units.
    Looks like a better version of the original Scout. If it's stable with at least 3x45 a side (since they show it with 2x25kg plates I assume they're saying it's stable with at least 220 on it) it's probably a pretty good option for most people, and I'd love to dump my big RH for something that folds up like this. The weight seems way too low to be stable with real weight on it, though.
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    Originally Posted by murphyreedus View Post
    The weight seems way too low to be stable with real weight on it, though.
    That would be my worry. Still, it looks interesting I'll definitely keep an eye out for anyone that buys one and does a decent review.
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    Originally Posted by murphyreedus View Post
    Looks like a better version of the original Scout. If it's stable with at least 3x45 a side (since they show it with 2x25kg plates I assume they're saying it's stable with at least 220 on it) it's probably a pretty good option for most people, and I'd love to dump my big RH for something that folds up like this. The weight seems way too low to be stable with real weight on it, though.
    Total weight capacity is 600lbs, better than the prior versions, but not really practical if you ask me. If a 225+ pound male squats over 500 and RHs 3 plates each side, you're pushing the limits just to put it into perspective. There's a reason you'd never see this thing at Westside, even for the lighter weight lifters. The Titan econ HPND is a much better value RH than this. I also don't see the point of being able to fold it up, it's not like it takes up no room and do you really want to fold, load, unload, and move away this thing every time you use it, sounds like a real PITA to me.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    do you really want to fold, load, unload, and move away this thing every time you use it, sounds like a real PITA to me.
    In my head? Yes. In reality? No, it would sit set up with weights on it 100% of the time.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    I also don't see the point of being able to fold it up, it's not like it takes up no room and do you really want to fold, load, unload, and move away this thing every time you use it, sounds like a real PITA to me.
    This reminds me of the RH that was sold via infomercial maybe 15-20 years ago now? It was licensed from Louie too as I talked to them about it. Never saw one but for normal folk doing back rehab/prehab and to get blood flowing a few people I spoke to (who used RHs before and knew what they were talking about) thought it was decent. Maybe it's that idea coming back in Rogue form.
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    Originally Posted by C123C View Post
    This reminds me of the RH that was sold via infomercial maybe 15-20 years ago now? It was licensed from Louie too as I talked to them about it. Never saw one but for normal folk doing back rehab/prehab and to get blood flowing a few people I spoke to (who used RHs before and knew what they were talking about) thought it was decent. Maybe it's that idea coming back in Rogue form.
    I have what I believe is the RH you're talking about. I got it free, so nothing to lose trying it. That said, I like it. I use it as a warmup and after a workout and use it as part of a stretching routine on other days. I like the footplate on mine that has double linkage better than the strap i had on my RH I had for my rack. I only use 100-150lbs for high reps and do my reps in a controlled manner, not swinging it with a bunch of momentum.
    I leave it up with the weight on.
    I wouldn't recommend it for everyone but for my purpose its great.
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    I got the Rogue Z hyper almost two years ago when I first built my garage gym, I will say I had some buyer's remorse for a day or so due to it being so much bigger than I expected, until I actually started using it. It's such a great back rehab machine, takes load off your spine while still enabling you to progressively overload your low back muscles over time. Can't imagine not using it after every squat session.
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    Originally Posted by murphyreedus View Post
    In my head? Yes. In reality? No, it would sit set up with weights on it 100% of the time.
    I don't see this being easy to break down and fold away, sure you can do it, but most of us get lazy and just leave it as is and then it's really no different the the more stable standalone unit.
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    Originally Posted by C123C View Post
    This reminds me of the RH that was sold via infomercial maybe 15-20 years ago now? It was licensed from Louie too as I talked to them about it. Never saw one but for normal folk doing back rehab/prehab and to get blood flowing a few people I spoke to (who used RHs before and knew what they were talking about) thought it was decent. Maybe it's that idea coming back in Rogue form.
    Yeah, based on the same concept, but it appears this newer version is better built. Just don't see how this is a viable option for most people...if you weigh 200lbs and squat over 500lbs, you're pushing the max weight of this unit, not to mention if it's sturdy enough to not rock and tip while in use. I can see in a rehab setting being useful, but just can't see this being practical in a home use scenario. This will be the type of thing that sounds good and looks cure, then when you get it, you realize it wasn't worth getting.
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    Wife and I are potentially moving across the country in the next few months.

    How much luck are people having with ordering stuff from Rogue recently?

    I'd like to just sell our entire gym and build a new one when we move, but my wife wants to get a POD or something similar and ship it all across the country because she's worried it'll be months (or a year) before we can build a new gym. I also wanted to use it as an opportunity to upgrade (more depth for the rack, e-coat bar instead of steel, competition plates instead of bumpers, etc).
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    I ordered from them fairly recently. Shipping was significantly delayed and many items are out of stock. Given the current situation I think you'd be better off shipping what you've got, strange as that seems.
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    Originally Posted by Dan_S View Post
    Wife and I are potentially moving across the country in the next few months.

    How much luck are people having with ordering stuff from Rogue recently?

    I'd like to just sell our entire gym and build a new one when we move, but my wife wants to get a POD or something similar and ship it all across the country because she's worried it'll be months (or a year) before we can build a new gym. I also wanted to use it as an opportunity to upgrade (more depth for the rack, e-coat bar instead of steel, competition plates instead of bumpers, etc).
    It's a bad time for it and I think it's incredibly likely we'll see a second wave like AU did during their flu season, which will send supply plummeting yet again (and before it even recovers). I would just ship it.
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    Originally Posted by Dan_S View Post
    Wife and I are potentially moving across the country in the next few months.

    How much luck are people having with ordering stuff from Rogue recently?

    I'd like to just sell our entire gym and build a new one when we move, but my wife wants to get a POD or something similar and ship it all across the country because she's worried it'll be months (or a year) before we can build a new gym. I also wanted to use it as an opportunity to upgrade (more depth for the rack, e-coat bar instead of steel, competition plates instead of bumpers, etc).
    Don't sell. You could be waiting MANY months to get what you want. I've been waiting a couple months now to add to my Rogue urethane bumpers and it's getting pretty annoying. Bars are pretty hard to come by too.
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyxO6Qq2J7s

    I know we like to trash Coop around here but I find this to be a fairly decent review. Sure he still says he likes it minus the obvious shortcomings that are seen in the video but I can see where this RH makes more sense for most home gym owners than others. I don't think I'll be purchasing it unless they come out with a v2 that is more stable and allows for more weight though. I absolutely do not have room for a full size one so this would be my only way to have a RH in my gym (not that I think I really need one anyway though but when has that stopped us before?).
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    Originally Posted by ncsuLuke View Post
    but I can see where this RH makes more sense for most home gym owners than others.
    Honestly I thought the exact opposite with his review, especially considering the availability of rack attached versions (Titan H-PND) that are more compact and don't have side to side wobble (and both Made in China). I wouldn't recommend any reverse hyper where the front foot raises so easily, the Scout would be a hard pass for me if I ever bought a reverse hyper.
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    Originally Posted by urbanlifter View Post
    Honestly I thought the exact opposite with his review, especially considering the availability of rack attached versions (Titan H-PND) that are more compact and don't have side to side wobble (and both Made in China). I wouldn't recommend any reverse hyper where the front foot raises so easily, the Scout would be a hard pass for me if I ever bought a reverse hyper.
    My thought is that most home gym owners are mostly constrained on space more than anything and dedicating so much space to a RH is stupid unless you have back issues that it directly helps. Also, most home gym owners are not going to ever be squatting even 4 plates so they won't be loading it heavy enough to matter.

    I would never get a rack attached one because I would never use it unless it was permanently attached and that negates the benefit being able to put it away after use. The Westside one at least looked pretty easy to fold up/get out which I can't say the same about a lot of gym equipment designed for that sort of thing. The Titan is going to have more of a footprint than the Westside one folded up so that is a non-starter for me as well.

    I would never get the Westside one as currently designed though, that wobble would be enough to keep me away as I would have it loaded at least as heavy as he had it shown in the video.
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    It looked about as easy to setup as the rack attached, but either way Coop is just shilling with this review like all the rest. If stability is an issue on a machine that is primarily designed to help rehab back injuries, then it shouldn't get your 'Best for most home gym user' recommendation until those issues are fixed. Just an observation, I have these lumped in with GHD's so it's not a critical piece of equipment for any gym.
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    Originally Posted by urbanlifter View Post
    It looked about as easy to setup as the rack attached, but either way Coop is just shilling with this review like all the rest. If stability is an issue on a machine that is primarily designed to help rehab back injuries, then it shouldn't get your 'Best for most home gym user' recommendation until those issues are fixed. Just an observation, I have these lumped in with GHD's so it's not a critical piece of equipment for any gym.
    Maybe I am looking at the wrong rack attached models but I can't see how you can even come close to saying they are as easy to set up when the rack attached model requires you bolting it to the rack. I don't think getting out a couple wrenches is as easy as a couple pop pins but YMMV.

    My whole point on the 'Best for most home gym users' is the fact that most home gym users don't lift much weight so the stability issue isn't going to actually be an issue for them and there's no sense in taking up so much space for a non-folding unit when it's a single accessory movement. It's going to be a pass for me in general, if it was more stable, could handle higher weights, and took up the same footprint I might be intrigued to try it out.

    We do agree on the shilling and the lack of critical piece though.
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    I have been really impressed with the new Ohio made powder coated kettlebells. I was hoping to get more before I did a review. I only have pairs of 26s and 35s right now. Will order 44s and 53s when they come in stock.

    They are squattier than other kettlebells with a larger flattened base. Handles feel like the old US made Lifeline bells.

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    Maybe I am looking at the wrong rack attached models but I can't see how you can even come close to saying they are as easy to set up when the rack attached model requires you bolting it to the rack.
    The Titan has pegs that slide through the side holes, the bolts shouldn't be necessary (sub with hitch pin) and if you wanted additional security I'm sure you could add a wing nut to the bolts. Compare that to the Scout and we are talking about a matter of seconds in difference (10-15-20 maybe?). Then if you had a 6-post rack it's permanently mounted and not taking up added space outside of your rack's footprint.
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    Originally Posted by urbanlifter View Post
    It looked about as easy to setup as the rack attached, but either way Coop is just shilling with this review like all the rest. If stability is an issue on a machine that is primarily designed to help rehab back injuries, then it shouldn't get your 'Best for most home gym user' recommendation until those issues are fixed. Just an observation, I have these lumped in with GHD's so it's not a critical piece of equipment for any gym.
    I'm not so sure the rack attached RH version are easier to work with, I had one, it definitely wasn't a one person job, and for me, ideally needed three people to more easily take it on and off. What I will agree with you here is that you can't say this Westside Scout RH is great for most home gym owners when it's clear that Coop, who must weight less than two bills while doing 200lbs loaded, the unit was rocking and moving around like crazy...how is that good for any home gym owner?!?! Or is he implying that most home gym owners are small and weak and therefore this unit is fine, either way, the thumbs up on the unit makes no sense. I will say that I did agree with Coop that Rogue should have placed weight pegs to anchor down the unit so to speak, but no matter which way you slice it, trying to make this Scout work is a bad decision. If you want a RH, get a real RH, in fact, get the Titan Econ HPND, that may be the best deal going right now.
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    I'm not so sure the rack attached RH version are easier to work with, I had one, it definitely wasn't a one person job, and for me, ideally needed three people to more easily take it on and off.
    Really? Looked like it would be relatively straightforward process with the fixed side pins on the Titan. It's 120lbs but I figured if you Zecher squatted it from between the front handles while grabbing the supports underneath it wouldn't be too bad lining the pins up, then pop in the hitch pins and call it a day. Unfortunately for me a standalone would be my only option, stupid Legend not drilling side holes LOL
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    Having owned various RH models, all stand-alone, since 2001, I can safely say that once it's loaded, it stays loaded. On the one I have now I haven't removed any 45s since I moved in 2013.
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    Originally Posted by urbanlifter View Post
    Really? Looked like it would be relatively straightforward process with the fixed side pins on the Titan. It's 120lbs but I figured if you Zecher squatted it from between the front handles while grabbing the supports underneath it wouldn't be too bad lining the pins up, then pop in the hitch pins and call it a day. Unfortunately for me a standalone would be my only option, stupid Legend not drilling side holes LOL
    It's doable, but it's one of those things that you are going to get sick of dealing with quickly and then find that you either end up leaving it set up permanently or never put it up at all. It would especially be a PITA if you're not part of the #2rackCrew and have to set it up during your workout.
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    Originally Posted by urbanlifter View Post
    Really? Looked like it would be relatively straightforward process with the fixed side pins on the Titan. It's 120lbs but I figured if you Zecher squatted it from between the front handles while grabbing the supports underneath it wouldn't be too bad lining the pins up, then pop in the hitch pins and call it a day. Unfortunately for me a standalone would be my only option, stupid Legend not drilling side holes LOL
    Can't speak to the Titan version, I can only speak on the Rogue, it took 3 guys to get into my rack, and let's just say once it was in, it wasn't getting removed any time soon after that. With 3 people, taking it on and off is doable, not easy, but you certainly could take it on and off, two people would be a challenge, one person, no chance, and I had the hitch pins. The weight isn't the issue, it's awkward to hold, then you need to line it up and push the pins through, just can't see one person holding the RH in one arm and pushing the pins through the rack.
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    Oh I see Rogue only uses bolts, that definitely looks like a PITA. Titan has side pins similar to what you would see with flip-down safeties, I assumed they must have copied that from someone else LOL.
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    Originally Posted by urbanlifter View Post
    Oh I see Rogue only uses bolts, that definitely looks like a PITA. Titan has side pins similar to what you would see with flip-down safeties, I assumed they must have copied that from someone else LOL.
    Rogue sells the hitch pin kits, they don't have to be bolted in.
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    Rogue deep dish plates dropped (and are sold out). The 45s and 100s (not that I have a use for 100s) look pretty solid to me, the rest? Big meh. Also, maybe I missed it but I couldn't find anything about weight tolerance. Considering the price, I am more than happy with my 6-shooters.
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    Originally Posted by ncsuLuke View Post
    https://www.roguefitness.com/rogue-deep-dish-plates

    Rogue deep dish plates dropped (and are sold out). The 45s and 100s (not that I have a use for 100s) look pretty solid to me, the rest? Big meh. Also, maybe I missed it but I couldn't find anything about weight tolerance. Considering the price, I am more than happy with my 6-shooters.
    Nice, those hundo's would be great for my base weights on my hip press or bear squat machines.
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