The New Christian Thread 4

[BrosefMengele]

Keep up the good fight until our time here is expired.

You still filled with 'the third person'?

[MuscleXtreme]

I’ve been doing some thinking in regards to biochem, consciousness, and duality of the body/mind. I’m curious as to how this can be reconciled with Paul’s teachings (if I’m understanding it correctly). Please forgive the brevity and any typos as I’m writing this up on my phone.

In a very simplified version of biochem, all of our body’s action/energy are derived from inanimate atoms bound together that of their particular structures produce other inanimate proteins, which are the building blocks for every cell in our body. As a result, our brains are a mass of neurons made up of inanimate proteins, but as a result of the chemical reactions in our brain, we have consciousness. Therefore, when the physical processes of the body cease, our consciousness ceases.

This seems to contradict the interpretation of Paul’s teaching that the body and mind are one. As the mind needs the body in order to have consciousness. I contend that our mind is the soul, and that the mind is separate from the body. This seems to be more squared with Plato’s dualism that the body and mind are separate rather than how Paul’s teachings are interpreted.

Are there any theological or philosophical arguments that take into account modern understanding of biochemistry and squaring that the body and mind are one?

[ScottTil]

You still filled with 'the third person'?

not in the same way you are

[ScottTil]

brahs are churches open where you live?

[MuscleXtreme]

The one I go to stayed open for eucharistic adoration all throughout. But most of them closed right up and went to live streaming mass.

They started offering public masses again in June. I still haven't been to one since Ash Wednesday though...

Same thing for here.

[BrosefMengele]

2 Corinthians 3:17
The Lord is the Spirit.

Eph 4:4
There is One Spirit.

1 Cor 8:6b
There is One Lord, JESUS CHRIST.

1 Cor 15:45
the last Adam - The Life Giver Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10-11
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Matthew 11:27 All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.

[Motiviert]

Y'all mind if I join this thread/crew?

[MuscleXtreme]

Y'all mind if I join this thread/crew?

Definitely, things have been a bit slow, but hopefully we can get more activity going.

[BrosefMengele]

Definitely, things have been a bit slow, but hopefully we can get more activity going.

God is not "three" anything. Two at most.

[Harbinger]

2 Corinthians 3:17
The Lord is the Spirit.

Eph 4:4
There is One Spirit.

1 Cor 8:6b
There is One Lord, JESUS CHRIST.

1 Cor 15:45
the last Adam - The Life Giver Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:10-11
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Matthew 11:27 All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.

Do any of you remember Mesopeaks?

[BrosefMengele]

Do any of you remember Mesopeaks?

No.

[TwoHumpChump]

RIP in peace J.I. Packer

We love our evangelicals don't we, folks?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ao85DTaG5w

Interesting gentleman.

Lots of people in our society seem to not have any direction. Maybe I watch too much media.

[Motiviert]

Do any of you remember Mesopeaks?

Yes

[Motiviert]

Think meso was pretty swole and had a flexing Avi.

[MuscleXtreme]

I remember when we used to burn through the NCT in months. This one has been going strong for 5 years now.

[MuscleXtreme]

I thought it would be cool to share what readings are being covered at your church. Of course for us Catholics, we’re all sharing in the same readings.

Sunday Mass Reading (22/11/2020)

The Solemnity of Our Lord Jesus Christ, King of the Universe
Lectionary: 160
Reading 1
EZ 34:11-12, 15-17
Thus says the Lord GOD:
I myself will look after and tend my sheep.
As a shepherd tends his flock
when he finds himself among his scattered sheep,
so will I tend my sheep.
I will rescue them from every place where they were scattered
when it was cloudy and dark.
I myself will pasture my sheep;
I myself will give them rest, says the Lord GOD.
The lost I will seek out,
the strayed I will bring back,
the injured I will bind up,
the sick I will heal,
but the sleek and the strong I will destroy,
shepherding them rightly.

As for you, my sheep, says the Lord GOD,
I will judge between one sheep and another,
between rams and goats.


Responsorial Psalm
PS 23:1-2, 2-3, 5-6
R. (1) The Lord is my shepherd; there is nothing I shall want.
The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
In verdant pastures he gives me repose.
R. The Lord is my shepherd; there is nothing I shall want.
Beside restful waters he leads me;
he refreshes my soul.
He guides me in right paths
for his name's sake.
R. The Lord is my shepherd; there is nothing I shall want.
You spread the table before me
in the sight of my foes;
you anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.
R. The Lord is my shepherd; there is nothing I shall want.
Only goodness and kindness follow me
all the days of my life;
and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD
for years to come.
R. The Lord is my shepherd; there is nothing I shall want.

Reading 2
1 COR 15:20-26, 28
Brothers and sisters:
Christ has been raised from the dead,
the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since death came through man,
the resurrection of the dead came also through man.
For just as in Adam all die,
so too in Christ shall all be brought to life,
but each one in proper order:
Christ the firstfruits;
then, at his coming, those who belong to Christ;
then comes the end,
when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father,
when he has destroyed every sovereignty
and every authority and power.
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
When everything is subjected to him,
then the Son himself will also be subjected
to the one who subjected everything to him,
so that God may be all in all.

Alleluia
MK 11:9, 10
R. Alleluia, alleluia.
Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!
Blessed is the kingdom of our father David that is to come!
R. Alleluia, alleluia.

Gospel
MT 25:31-46
Jesus said to his disciples:
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory,
and all the angels with him,
he will sit upon his glorious throne,
and all the nations will be assembled before him.
And he will separate them one from another,
as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
Then the king will say to those on his right,
'Come, you who are blessed by my Father.
Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
For I was hungry and you gave me food,
I was thirsty and you gave me drink,
a stranger and you welcomed me,
naked and you clothed me,
ill and you cared for me,
in prison and you visited me.’
Then the righteous will answer him and say,
'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you,
or thirsty and give you drink?
When did we see you a stranger and welcome you,
or naked and clothe you?
When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’
And the king will say to them in reply,
'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did
for one of the least brothers of mine, you did for me.’
Then he will say to those on his left,
'Depart from me, you accursed,
into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
For I was hungry and you gave me no food,
I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,
a stranger and you gave me no welcome,
naked and you gave me no clothing,
ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’
Then they will answer and say,
'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty
or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison,
and not minister to your needs?’
He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you,
what you did not do for one of these least ones,
you did not do for me.’
And these will go off to eternal punishment,
but the righteous to eternal life."

[MuscleXtreme]

I’ve came across several sources talking about C.S Lewis’ prescient essay Is Progress Possible? Willing Slaves of the Welfare State (written in 1958). In it Lewis talks about how society will, under the guise of science, usher in a new technocracy, in which people will give up their freedoms in exchange for security. The means of which, will be through protection against disease. Sound familiar?

A few quotes from the essay.

The first is the advance, and increasing application, of science. As a means to the ends I care for, this is neutral. We shall grow able to cure, and to produce, more diseases — bacterial war, not bombs, might ring down the curtain — to alleviate, and to inflict, more pains, to husband, or to waste, the resources of the planet more extensively. We can become either more beneficent or more mischievous. My guess is we shall do both; mending one thing and marring another, removing old miseries and producing new ones, safeguarding ourselves here and endangering ourselves there.

Sure sounds like Covid-19

Observe how the 'humane' attitude to crime could operate. If crimes are diseases, why should diseases be treated differently from crimes? And who but the experts can define disease? One school of psychology regards my religion as a neurosis. If this neurosis ever becomes inconvenient to Government, what is to prevent my being subjected to a compulsory 'cure'? It may be painful; treatments sometimes are. But it will be no use asking, 'What have I done to deserve this?' The Straightener will reply: 'But, my dear fellow, no one's blaming you. We no longer believe in retributive justice. We're healing you.'

This would be no more than an extreme application of the political philosophy implicit in most modern communities. It has stolen on us unawares. Two wars necessitated vast curtailments of liberty, and we have grown, though grumblingly, accustomed to our chains. The increasing complexity and pre- cariousness of our economic life have forced Government to take over many spheres of activity once left to choice or chance.

Lockdowns, “essential businesses”

Again, the new oligarchy must more and more base its claim to plan us on its claim to knowledge. If we are to be mothered, mother must know best. This means they must increasingly rely on the advice of scientists, till in the end the politicians proper become merely the scientists' puppets.

Technocracy is the form to which a planned society must lend. Now I dread specialists in power because they are specialists speaking outside their special subjects. Let scientists tell us about sciences. But government involves questions about the good for man, and justice, and what things are worth having at what price; and on these a scientific training gives a man's opinion no added value. Let the doctor tell me I shall die unless I do so-and-so; but whether life is worth having on those terms is no more a question for him than for any other man.

Hmmm sounds a little Faucian, with the DNC reverence and idolizing of Fauci.

On just the same ground I dread government in the name of science. That is how tyrannies come in. In every age the men who want us under their thumb, if they have any sense, will put forward the particular pretension which the hopes and fears of that age render most potent. They 'cash in'. It has been magic, it has been Christianity. Now it will certainly be science. Perhaps the real scientists may not think much of the tyrants' 'science' — they didn't think much of Hitler's racial theories or Stalin's biology. But they can be muzzled.

Wow, how come this sounds familiar?

[MuscleXtreme]

Well, just saw the announcement that the Catholic Answers Forum is closing down at the end of the year.

I’m pretty bummed about it, I learned a lot about my faith and the Church from those forums. It was a place that I would always use as a reference or starting point to more research.

Sadly, it looks like a lot of forums are on their way out. It really is too bad, since the anonymity really enabled strong discussions that might not be had, even the trolls helped push that along.

Anyone else know of any good Catholic forums out there?

[ScottTil]

Well, just saw the announcement that the Catholic Answers Forum is closing down at the end of the year.

I’m pretty bummed about it, I learned a lot about my faith and the Church from those forums. It was a place that I would always use as a reference or starting point to more research.

Sadly, it looks like a lot of forums are on their way out. It really is too bad, since the anonymity really enabled strong discussions that might not be had, even the trolls helped push that along.

Anyone else know of any good Catholic forums out there?

I used to use Christian forums or something but that was forever ago. Unfortunately social media pages have killed independent forums much like they are killing this one.

[MuscleXtreme]

I used to use Christian forums or something but that was forever ago. Unfortunately social media pages have killed independent forums much like they are killing this one.

I’ll have to take a look to see if it’s still around. It’s unfortunate that forums are losing traffic, the anonymity that they allow promotes new ideas and candid discussion. It would be a shame for them to disappear out of the mainstream. BBS wasn’t mainstream back in the day, but it still allowed for promotion of a lot of new ideas.

That sucks about Catholic Answers. I will have to go there to say goodbye to some posters.

There's fisheaters. It's a pretty good forum, the only one I go to. It is a traditionlist Catholic forum tho.

And there's cathinfo, but I think they're full of crazies tbh.

And I guess there's some decent subreddits...but it's reddit so...

Sweet, yeah I haven’t heard of fish eaters. Yeah the Catholicism subreddit could be a good source, I’m just throughly anti-Reddit because of their censorship. I really don’t want to promote them in anyway.

[HomeGymChains]

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[MuscleXtreme]

First Sunday of Advent is today. Anyone beginning any of their Christmas traditions yet?

I’ve never really had the tradition of the Advent wreath, but might start it this year. Christmas tree is up and decorated but still need to put lights up on the house.

Here’s the readings from today’s Mass.

First Sunday of Advent
Lectionary: 2
Reading 1
IS 63:16B-17, 19B; 64:2-7
You, LORD, are our father,
our redeemer you are named forever.
Why do you let us wander, O LORD, from your ways,
and harden our hearts so that we fear you not?
Return for the sake of your servants,
the tribes of your heritage.
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down,
with the mountains quaking before you,
while you wrought awesome deeds we could not hope for,
such as they had not heard of from of old.
No ear has ever heard, no eye ever seen, any God but you
doing such deeds for those who wait for him.
Would that you might meet us doing right,
that we were mindful of you in our ways!
Behold, you are angry, and we are sinful;
all of us have become like unclean people,
all our good deeds are like polluted rags;
we have all withered like leaves,
and our guilt carries us away like the wind.
There is none who calls upon your name,
who rouses himself to cling to you;
for you have hidden your face from us
and have delivered us up to our guilt.
Yet, O LORD, you are our father;
we are the clay and you the potter:
we are all the work of your hands.

Responsorial Psalm
PS 80:2-3, 15-16, 18-19
R. (4) Lord, make us turn to you; let us see your face and we shall be saved.
O shepherd of Israel, hearken,
from your throne upon the cherubim, shine forth.
Rouse your power,
and come to save us.
R. Lord, make us turn to you; let us see your face and we shall be saved.
Once again, O LORD of hosts,
look down from heaven, and see;
take care of this vine,
and protect what your right hand has planted
the son of man whom you yourself made strong.
R. Lord, make us turn to you; let us see your face and we shall be saved.
May your help be with the man of your right hand,
with the son of man whom you yourself made strong.
Then we will no more withdraw from you;
give us new life, and we will call upon your name.
R. Lord, make us turn to you; let us see your face and we shall be saved.

Reading II
1 COR 1:3-9
Brothers and sisters:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father
and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I give thanks to my God always on your account
for the grace of God bestowed on you in Christ Jesus,
that in him you were enriched in every way,
with all discourse and all knowledge,
as the testimony to Christ was confirmed among you,
so that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift
as you wait for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
He will keep you firm to the end,
irreproachable on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
God is faithful,
and by him you were called to fellowship with his Son,
Jesus Christ our Lord.

Alleluia
PS 85:8
R. Alleluia, alleluia.
Show us Lord, your love;
and grant us your salvation.
R. Alleluia, alleluia.

Gospel
MK 13:33-37
Jesus said to his disciples:
“Be watchful! Be alert!
You do not know when the time will come.
It is like a man traveling abroad.
He leaves home and places his servants in charge,
each with his own work,
and orders the gatekeeper to be on the watch.
Watch, therefore;
you do not know when the Lord of the house is coming,
whether in the evening, or at midnight,
or at cockcrow, or in the morning.
May he not come suddenly and find you sleeping.
What I say to you, I say to all: ‘Watch!’”

[XcelerateNYC]

^^^^

How in the world is that the gospel? What does that have to do with the gospel? THIS IS THE GOSPEL.

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John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Hilarious that you're quoting (fake) scripture but ignore everything I posted in the other thread contradicting catholic doctrine. What a hypocrite.

[MuscleXtreme]

^^^^

How in the world is that the gospel? What does that have to do with the gospel? THIS IS THE GOSPEL.

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John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Hilarious that you're quoting (fake) scripture but ignore everything I posted in the other thread contradicting catholic doctrine. What a hypocrite.

Lol, yep that’s fake Scripture all right.

1. I don’t think you know what the word Scripture means.

2. I don’t think you know what the Gospels are.

Hopefully, this thread will help to educate you.

[JaymzJ]

[XcelerateNYC]

Lol, yep that’s fake Scripture all right.

1. I don’t think you know what the word Scripture means.

2. I don’t think you know what the Gospels are.

Hopefully, this thread will help to educate you.

It is fake scripture. What new world order bible version is that if I may ask?

Crickets. What a surprise.

[MuscleXtreme]

It is fake scripture. What new world order bible version is that if I may ask?

Crickets. What a surprise.

Which version of the KJV Bible do you use? The original 1611 one that includes the Deuterocanonicals or the the 1885 version that removed the Deuterocanoncials.

Do you find it amazing that it took the Holy Spirit 1852 years to “correct” the Bible? Gee, I’m really glad the fundies came along to help Him out.

[Harbinger]

Which version of the KJV Bible do you use? The original 1611 one that includes the Deuterocanonicals or the 1885 version that removed the Deuterocanoncials.

Do you find it amazing that it took the Holy Spirit 1852 years to “correct” the Bible? Gee, I’m really glad the fundies came along to help Him out.

[XcelerateNYC]

Which version of the KJV Bible do you use? The original 1611 one that includes the Deuterocanonicals or the the 1885 version that removed the Deuterocanoncials.

Do you find it amazing that it took the Holy Spirit 1852 years to “correct” the Bible? Gee, I’m really glad the fundies came along to help Him out.

Answering a question with a question. Why are you like this? Can you please just tell me what version that is?

[Harbinger]

Which version of the KJV Bible do you use? The original 1611 one that includes the Deuterocanonicals or the the 1885 version that removed the Deuterocanoncials.

Do you find it amazing that it took the Holy Spirit 1852 years to “correct” the Bible? Gee, I’m really glad the fundies came along to help Him out.

Do you find it amazing that it took the Holy Spirit 1611 years to “correct” the Bible?