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Thread: Hypertrophy/Bodybuilding Routine
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03-29-2016, 07:29 AM #3391
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03-29-2016, 08:41 AM #3392
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03-30-2016, 06:32 AM #3393
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03-30-2016, 11:24 AM #3394
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03-30-2016, 01:52 PM #3395
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03-31-2016, 10:54 AM #3396
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03-31-2016, 03:27 PM #3397
OK, so Im in my third month of this, and I love the gains, but starting my fourth month Im DYING. No energy, or motivation. numbers stagnating and its harder to meet previous goals. I kinda feel like crying because Im so tired when I lift. Sincere feeling of dread. I take a full 7 days off every 4th week, but now Im thinking to go through a week of regular training except just with light weight. Good idea?
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03-31-2016, 07:17 PM #3398
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03-31-2016, 07:25 PM #3399
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03-31-2016, 11:40 PM #3400
It is likely due to your diet like previously mentioned. What have you been doing with your body weight? Cut? Bulk? Recomp? How many carbs have you been eating? (this is likely where the main issue lies) Your actual food sources are extremely important as well and could help a lot (whole milk, whole eggs, and unprocessed meat are the best foods you can possibly eat, in addition to some other carb sources).
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04-01-2016, 02:45 AM #3401
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04-02-2016, 07:34 AM #3402
Just so im clear:
There's not direct shoulder pressing movements in this routine? ie barbell OHP or dumbbell OHP?
-Im assuming there isnt because the front delts get worked enough with all the chest pressing movements, and you dont want overdeveloped delts?
Actually how many times a week are you working side delts? I never thought about training them more than 2X a week but im curious to see what other people are doingPositive Crew
Spring Cutters Crew
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04-02-2016, 08:29 AM #3403
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04-02-2016, 10:14 AM #3404
Thanks for the reply. I had overdeveloped shoulders a couple years ago and an underdeveloped chest. Stopped front delt exercises altogether and it's seemed to even out.
How many times are you guys working your side and rear delts every week?
Right now I'm doing rear delts 2X a week and side delts 3-4X's. This too much? I'd imagine you can't really have overdeveloped side delts.Positive Crew
Spring Cutters Crew
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04-03-2016, 04:21 AM #3405
I had the exact same problem. For me, it was simply because this routine can get extremely boring very quickly. Doing the exact same 2-3 workouts 2x/week over and over again was just not my thing. I stopped looking forward to training after a few weeks. It just felt like tedious work.
That being said, I loved the results when I did this routine and I'm still trying to find a way to make it work for me.
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04-04-2016, 12:04 PM #3406
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04-05-2016, 08:30 AM #3407
I'm looking for some advice from the more experienced guys in here.
A little background info: for like the past year I've been following a really volume workout combined with carb cycling, (abbreviated training inspired by Leangains.com and the book Beyond Brawn). I was focussing on the big three + chins and per week I've hit like 10 reps per exercise combined with extreme high intensity (based of 1 RM). Work capacity was (and is) obviously severely lacking, since I rested for like 5 minutes in between sets. I dropped the carb cycling and this workout regime and for the last week I've done the PPL as described in the OP and boy it was a humbling experience. From 10 reps on bench per week total to 60 per week total for a higher rep range + ~ 30 sec rest between sets was brutal, but I like it. My concerns are with what would be the best setup for someone on my level.
I've read through the older Kelei topics and a full body approach would be more appropiated for people that haven't met the strength guidelines he mentiones in these topics. Looking at those guidelines, I would be qualified as a beginner. My stats:
Bench: 0.85 x bw for 11 reps (I obviously lack conditioning, but I don't think that I would hit the required bw x 10 when I get used to this routine in a few weeks)
Front squat: never did them. Last week I tried them and I hit 0.72 x bw for 12 reps. Could have done more, but since my fingers/wrists fell like they would break I stopped after 12. Also in the follow up sets my grip was really the limiting factor. I'm still struggling to get my grip/form down, but I don't think that I would hit the 1.25 x BW x 10 reps front squat goal even when I get my grip down.
RDL: also never did them. Last week I did around bw x 10.
Would you guys advice me, since I'm not an intermediate as per Kelei's standards, to do a beginner PPL as described in the earlier Kelei thread? Or would you advice me just to continue with the PPL? Obviously I'm looking for the most efficient way to train. I know frequency is king for the less advanced lifter, so I'm kinda doubting my current routine. Any recommendations/comments would be appreciated.
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04-05-2016, 08:58 AM #3408
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04-06-2016, 01:01 AM #3409
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04-06-2016, 01:02 AM #3410
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04-07-2016, 04:50 AM #3411
Kelei Break from Rest Pause
If any of you would like to take a break from strict rest-pause training for a while I recommend the following guidelines:
- Pick a weight you can lift 8-12 times
- Perform 3-5 sets per exercise
- Rest 60 seconds between each set
- Take each set to failure (as many full reps as possible, you shouldn't literally fail)
- Add more weight once you can complete 12 reps in your first set.
This is a middleground between straight sets and rest-pause, you still spend plenty of time near failure but not to the same extent as proper rest-pause.Alan Aragon: http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2009/11/22/wisdom-wisecracks
Layne Norton: I've never added more than 12 lbs of muscle in a year and most years it was closer to 5 or less. But when you maintain that for over 10 years and you don't miss workouts, it's amazing what can happen
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04-07-2016, 03:13 PM #3412
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What are your 1RMs? Bench, back squat, deadlift.
This is pretty much what I've been doing. There's some limited research to suggest that *perhaps* going to failure more often (through more sets) with less breaks, all else being equal (e.g. volume), is more beneficial for hypertrophy than doing the same volume but with fewer sets/failures. Personally, I remain unconvinced and, even if I was to be, I would shrug my shoulders and say 'meh.' Do whatever keeps you in the gym. For me, that means trying to get out fo the gym as quickly as possible, which with the addition of 15 min stretching + all my rehab exercises, becomes a challenge. So on push and pull days, I stretch my lower body in between sets and do my rehab exercises, resulting in a roughly 1 min break in between each set. So generally, my sets look like this: weight x 10/8/8/6/6/6/5
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04-12-2016, 02:15 PM #3413
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04-12-2016, 10:49 PM #3414
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04-13-2016, 05:18 AM #3415
Thanks for the reply. I've already decided to do a PPL.
I have another question for you guys. From monday - friday I train before I go to work. I have about 60-75 minutes to complete my workout. I've noticed that I can't finish my workout in time if I do 50 reps per exercise. For example on push day, I needed to skip my flys because I had no time to do them. Benching and incline benching took up way too much time to add another chest exercise, so I did some rope pulldowns and called it a day. For my back day I've noticed the same. If I do 50 reps per exercise, I can't finish my whole workout in time. On saturday and sunday I don't have this problem so on the weekends I'm doing 50 reps for all exercises. Time is no issue here.
So my question is: would you guys advice me to reduce the volume from monday to friday to 30/40 reps so I can do all exercises (and therefore have more variety?) Or should I just pick less exercises (for example leave the chest fly out of my program and stick to flat and incline bench) and pump out 50 reps for those? I've read about the importance of variety in the past topics, but I'm curious to hear what you guys think about this.
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04-13-2016, 07:52 AM #3416
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