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    Originally Posted by zmcdole View Post
    I agreed that he's PROVEN himself in many other meets. I'm with you. But his last meet was a joke and there's a reason that meet was thrown out. No I can't prove any of it, but like the old saying goes, where there's smoke....... I put up a vid of his squat. It was high, hands all over the weight, with family and friends spotting him. I'm not discrediting any of his accomplishments prior to that lift. I'll say it again....He's a great lifter who's put up legit numbers. His last meet not so much and mainly because of his high squat. Also, why would Kendall go out of his way to say what he said and discredit everything at that meet and also say he's never lifting at that gym again? He's an idiot if he doesn't know something. My guess is that he knows something. He trained with that crew for a while and even did meets with them IIRC. Very bold for him to say what he said without knowledge of something. What I'm saying here is in regards to that last meet ONLY. It has nothing to do with anything he's done prior.
    I understand where you're coming from though I don't agree on the squat at all

    I guess I'm just not one for the integrity of the sport. I just like watching people move heavy chit
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    Erics squat was deep enough for that backyard fed he lifted in.

    I mean it wasnt like this:


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    I thought the squat was parallel so a little high, gonna have to agree to disagree on the "nowhere close" thing.

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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    I understand where you're coming from though I don't agree on the squat at all

    I guess I'm just not one for the integrity of the sport. I just like watching people move heavy chit
    that's cool. I like watching people move heavy chit as well
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    anyone here have experience with the coan/phillipi deadlift program?
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    Originally Posted by dtaps24 View Post
    I thought the squat was parallel so a little high, gonna have to agree to disagree on the "nowhere close" thing.
    fair enough
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    Originally Posted by NaturalFTW View Post
    anyone here have experience with the coan/phillipi deadlift program?
    yep, it's pretty good for peaking, but the progression is wildy aggressive and you'll want to be very conservative when you enter your max. I also never did any of the circuit stuff.
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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    I understand where you're coming from though I don't agree on the squat at all

    I guess I'm just not one for the integrity of the sport. I just like watching people move heavy chit
    The whole family comes off as bunch of asses (in social media anyway, I've never met them in person), but that sure as hell isn't going to pull me away from watching them lift, especially Eric.

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    Originally Posted by NaturalFTW View Post
    anyone here have experience with the coan/phillipi deadlift program?
    No, but I've heard a lot of great things and I'm starting it in about 3 weeks.. so in for responses

    So far I've been told the volume is intense and dont go crazy with your goal or you wont be able to complete it
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    Originally Posted by zmcdole View Post
    yep, it's pretty good for peaking, but the progression is wildy aggressive and you'll want to be very conservative when you enter your max. I also never did any of the circuit stuff.
    I put the max 30 lbs heavier that seems reasonable no? Did week 1 yesterday it was quite fun. Not sure what to do with my bench and squat atm tbh.

    i was considering just front squatting while I'm running the program to keep some load off of my back.

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    Originally Posted by simpson54 View Post
    No, but I've heard a lot of great things and I'm starting it in about 3 weeks.. so in for responses

    So far I've been told the volume is intense and dont go crazy with your goal or you wont be able to complete it
    Yup. i can already tell after the first day. The barbell rows are the thing that is gonna kill me! I never liked doing them
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    Originally Posted by Rags85 View Post
    The whole family comes off as bunch of asses (in social media anyway, I've never met them in person), but that sure as hell isn't going to pull me away from watching them lift, especially Eric.
    The whole hobby (since Bill says its not a sport) is filled with borderline personalities
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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    The whole hobby (since Bill says its not a sport) is filled with borderline personalities
    twas a joke

    sometimes i take powerlifting very very seriously and am of the mind of upholding the integrity of the sport to its utmost...

    sometimes I'm like...we're not really in a sport, we're in a performance art

    today my brain isn't working b/c of squats so I'm less authoritarian.
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    Originally Posted by isaku900 View Post
    twas a joke

    sometimes i take powerlifting very very seriously and am of the mind of upholding the integrity of the sport to its utmost...

    sometimes I'm like...we're not really in a sport, we're in a performance art

    today my brain isn't working b/c of squats so I'm less authoritarian.
    My body is finally in keto, I'm back on EC and its a rest day

    Basically, I'm just looking for a fight. I gotta get this out of my system before I get home or I'll end up having to cook my own dinner
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    Originally Posted by arn710 View Post
    My body is finally in keto, I'm back on EC and its a rest day

    Basically, I'm just looking for a fight. I gotta get this out of my system before I get home or I'll end up having to cook my own dinner
    ...that sounds worse.


    you should go to a bar and hit someone in the face randomly.
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    Originally Posted by isaku900 View Post
    ...that sounds worse.


    you should go to a bar and hit someone in the face randomly.
    Knowing my luck I would pick the local MMA star that already has 4 warrants and nothing to lose
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    Sick squatting, Bill. Dat depth!


    I don't have a problem with Eric L., except that the meet where he set the 275 record was (according to IPA and other stuff I read on the net) confirmed not to even have a scale with which to weigh people in with. There were other problems, but this seems the one that applies to Eric. Other lifters were spotted heavily throughout the lift, for example Ernie Jr.

    I don't think Eric's squat depth was the issue at all. But if the IPA finds out that the meet was not performed to IPA standards, they should revoke its sanctioning across the board, as well as all the lifts done at the meet. That's really the only clean option to me.

    The most damning thing about the entire controversy is that there were multiple accusations of no scale being used at the meet weigh ins, and these were not once (in the comments I saw) contradicted by a single lifter or person at the meet. That says a lot to me. Also the fact that it looks like the only 275 lb Eric L. in that video is the one that the 320 lb Eric L. ate before doing that squat.

    If I am wrong about there being no scale, please correct me.
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    Sick squatting, Bill. Dat depth!


    I don't have a problem with Eric L., except that the meet where he set the 275 record was (according to IPA and other stuff I read on the net) confirmed not to even have a scale with which to weigh people in with. There were other problems, but this seems the one that applies to Eric. Other lifters were spotted heavily throughout the lift, for example Ernie Jr.

    I don't think Eric's squat depth was the issue at all. But if the IPA finds out that the meet was not performed to IPA standards, they should revoke its sanctioning across the board, as well as all the lifts done at the meet. That's really the only clean option to me.

    The most damning thing about the entire controversy is that there were multiple accusations of no scale being used at the meet weigh ins, and these were not once (in the comments I saw) contradicted by a single lifter or person at the meet. That says a lot to me. Also the fact that it looks like the only 275 lb Eric L. in that video is the one that the 320 lb Eric L. ate before doing that squat.

    If I am wrong about there being no scale, please correct me.
    wonder how many other times this sort of thing could have happened?
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    I think most of Jr's 198 meets have been of the backyard variety ?

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    Also the fact that it looks like the only 275 lb Eric L. in that video is the one that the 320 lb Eric L. ate before doing that squat.
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    Originally Posted by NaturalFTW View Post
    anyone here have experience with the coan/phillipi deadlift program?
    Originally Posted by zmcdole View Post
    yep, it's pretty good for peaking, but the progression is wildy aggressive and you'll want to be very conservative when you enter your max. I also never did any of the circuit stuff.
    exactly this ^^^

    I've peaked very well with it 3x hitting better than expected DLs in meet's each time but definitely don't overreach it won't help will only hurt IMO. My last meet I ran it and only worked up to I think 450 for my last single before comp because I was so fried (programmed in 465 I think) at that point and with the added rest leading to the meet I hit 474. I think if I pushed it much more in training it wouldn't have yielded that nice of a peak IMO

    I didn't do the circuits either


    Originally Posted by Marshall28 View Post
    I think most of Jr's 198 meets have been of the backyard variety ?
    he went 198 at a UPA meet me and mitch did april of 2014. I talked to a few people who thought they weighed in a lot lighter than expected that meet too for the record. I hovered around 210 most of training for that meet and I ate Portillo's on my way to weigh ins and came in at 205

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    Originally Posted by FenderElectrics View Post
    exactly this ^^^

    I've peaked very well with it 3x hitting better than expected DLs in meet's each time but definitely don't overreach it won't help will only hurt IMO. My last meet I ran it and only worked up to I think 450 for my last single before comp because I was so fried (programmed in 465 I think) at that point and with the added rest leading to the meet I hit 474. I think if I pushed it much more in training it wouldn't have yielded that nice of a peak IMO

    I didn't do the circuits either
    Yeah I didn't do the circuit yesterday. I don't think I will do it like a circuit considering the program was originally made for a strong man competitor so I'm assuming the circuit was made as a form of conditioning since that's important in strongman competitions.
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    Originally Posted by zmcdole View Post
    wonder how many other times this sort of thing could have happened?
    I'm not going to point any fingers specifically, but I've had more than one meet director at small meets tell me "not to worry about it" if I was a few lbs over, but I've always stripped down until I was a legit 181 (or whatever weight I'm competing at) because I'm not going to cheat, even if it is OK with meet director.

    Not even having a scale though? That's egregious.
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    Originally Posted by breathinglife View Post
    I'm not going to point any fingers specifically, but I've had more than one meet director at small meets tell me "not to worry about it" if I was a few lbs over, but I've always stripped down until I was a legit 181 (or whatever weight I'm competing at) because I'm not going to cheat, even if it is OK with meet director.

    Not even having a scale though? That's egregious.
    yeah if it's someone who's not going for all time records although I still think doing things like that is stupid. I mean hell why even have a damn rulebook? I'm laughing and just shaking my damn head at not even having a scale though. SRSLY????? I don't even.
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    I think most of Jr's 198 meets have been of the backyard variety ?
    yup

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    exactly this ^^^

    I've peaked very well with it 3x hitting better than expected DLs in meet's each time but definitely don't overreach it won't help will only hurt IMO. My last meet I ran it and only worked up to I think 450 for my last single before comp because I was so fried (programmed in 465 I think) at that point and with the added rest leading to the meet I hit 474. I think if I pushed it much more in training it wouldn't have yielded that nice of a peak IMO

    I didn't do the circuits either




    he went 198 at a UPA meet me and mitch did april of 2014. I talked to a few people who thought they weighed in a lot lighter than expected that meet too for the record. I hovered around 210 most of training for that meet and I ate Portillo's on my way to weigh ins and came in at 205

    edit: by the way more people need to take the "IDGAF about what I weigh in at so much that I'm going to eat Portillo's on the way to weigh ins" approach. I'm telling you it's great

    Yea I was going to bring that up too. And even with rehydration methods etc... He did NOT look near 198. Not saying you can tell anything by that, he could have had a perfect recomp but who knows.

    I just think its funny that meet gets brought up as the start of the not weighing in thing when me and Bcalv both made a comment back then about it being crazy he made 198 with how he looked.


    Also yea I ended up like 5-7lbs light on that scale as well.
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    Originally Posted by breathinglife View Post
    I don't have a problem with Eric L., except that the meet where he set the 275 record was (according to IPA and other stuff I read on the net) confirmed not to even have a scale with which to weigh people in with. There were other problems, but this seems the one that applies to Eric. Other lifters were spotted heavily throughout the lift, for example Ernie Jr.

    I don't think Eric's squat depth was the issue at all. But if the IPA finds out that the meet was not performed to IPA standards, they should revoke its sanctioning across the board, as well as all the lifts done at the meet. That's really the only clean option to me.
    The IPA did indeed revoke sanctioning of the meet (just in case you missed it). Basically stating it wasn't carried out to its standards.
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