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    stop stop stop, SIZE =/= KNOWLEDGE OKAY?????????????

    It doesn't, but you're squatting like 115 and telling my bro he shouldn't deadlift with a rounded back when he's pulling 475??? Plz go

    While a lot of people got big just by celltech and lifting whatever, a good amount still did it by applying the knowledge and putting in the work and effort to lift heavy weights. You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't have the experience of applying it in the gym and tailoring it to yourself when you realize your body isn't a machine and a program doesn't work perfectly for you, youre just an average joe

    We have so many posters here too that do the same ****, theres a difference between trying to help people out and thinking youre like an elite strength coach because you watched a couple jason blaha videos, listened to a rippetoe seminar, read a couple articles online about protein minimums and know who alan aragon is fuking lmao
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    If I squat more will my triceps get bigger?

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    Alan Aragon does not know how to leg press 1000lbs like Ronnie Coleman.

    Yet he has more knowledge.

    Size =/= Knowledge

    One does not need to have the experience to make him right.

    What is right is right.

    Even if your brother can pull 500lbs and his form is wrong, it doesn't matter who calls him out. It can be a non-lifter or a 600lbs deadlifter, the form is still wrong.
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    Have watched a couple Jason Blaha videos, listened to a Rippetoe seminar, read a couple articles online about protein minimums and I know Alan Aragon. Gtfo, kiddo.
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    Originally Posted by AFC96 View Post
    Alan Aragon does not know how to leg press 1000lbs like Ronnie Coleman.

    Yet he has more knowledge.

    Size =/= Knowledge

    One does not need to have the experience to make him right.

    What is right is right.

    Even if your brother can pull 500lbs and his form is wrong, it doesn't matter who calls him out. It can be a non-lifter or a 600lbs deadlifter, the form is still wrong.
    If you actually read the first two words you would've seen that I already said size doesnt equate exactly to knowledge

    And dude was pulling 475 for 8 on a deficit with minor thoracic and lordotic curvature, his form wasn't wrong you potato
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    Originally Posted by Jaywalking View Post

    And dude was pulling 475 for 8 on a deficit with minor thoracic and lordotic curvature, his form wasn't wrong you potato
    I guess i was suppose to straight-away think that he is pulling "475 for 8 on a deficit with a minor thoracic and lordotic curvature" on your OP.
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    Originally Posted by AFC96 View Post
    I guess i was suppose to straight-away think that he is pulling "475 for 8 on a deficit with a minor thoracic and lordotic curvature" on your OP.
    Actually you were not supposed to think anything straight away, and be unsure to the degree of rounding and ambivalent of both the lifter and someone who obviously hasn't spent much time in the actual weight room critiquing another lifter

    Instead you assumed the weaker lifter who called him out was correct. Interesting
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    Does not take a genius or years and years of experience to know something like this is wrong:



    I'm not suppose to think "a rounded back deadlift is dangerous" straight away?

    hmmmmm.. ok..

    Seems like you are asking me to "assume" many things like "pulling 475 for 8 on a deficit with minor thoracic and lordotic curvature".

    just from " It doesn't, but you're squatting like 115 and telling my bro he shouldn't deadlift with a rounded back when he's pulling 475??? Plz go"

    Alright.

    Sound logic. You should try including the video next time.
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    Originally Posted by AFC96 View Post
    Does not take a genius or years and years of experience to know something like this is wrong:



    I'm not suppose to think "a rounded back deadlift is dangerous" straight away?

    hmmmmm.. ok..
    You use the cherry picking logical fallacy with someone with idiotic spinal alignment while there are hundreds of counterexamples available online of safe thoracic rounding and you call ME out on logic?

    Seems like you are asking me to "assume" many things like "pulling 475 for 8 on a deficit with minor thoracic and lordotic curvature".

    just from " It doesn't, but you're squatting like 115 and telling my bro he shouldn't deadlift with a rounded back when he's pulling 475??? Plz go"
    Nope, like I already said in a previous post if you really want to pick apart words so much, it wouldve been most correct to be ambivalent of both lifters at the first post, the one pulling 475 and the 115 pound squatter. Instead, you chose the side of the weak kid. Then when I clarify for you, your argument to me is that "oh well you shouldve said so! i just assumed the weaker one was correct". The only one assuming anything here is you

    Alright.

    Sound logic. You should try including the video next time.
    "The video"? I don't videotape every possible set someone does in the gym.

    Note that your entire argument is based off of the fact that you are assuming someone's form is wrong, and when I clarify it was not, your only retort is "Well how should I have known?????????"

    All along while the point of the thread was that much knowledge was experiential, and that books and studies do not teach you everything.
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    pretty much if you're significantly weaker than someone you shouldn't critique their lifting form. I don't want billy telling me I should be squatting atg when he can't squat 135 lbs. agree with op
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    Conclusion of the thread:

    People like Lyle , Alan, and Brad should just agree with "Ronnie Coleman" because he has won Mr.Olympia's and they have not.

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    Originally Posted by Jaywalking View Post
    It doesn't, but you're squatting like 115 and telling my bro he shouldn't deadlift with a rounded back when he's pulling 475??? Plz go

    While a lot of people got big just by celltech and lifting whatever, a good amount still did it by applying the knowledge and putting in the work and effort to lift heavy weights. You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't have the experience of applying it in the gym and tailoring it to yourself when you realize your body isn't a machine and a program doesn't work perfectly for you, youre just an average joe

    We have so many posters here too that do the same ****, theres a difference between trying to help people out and thinking youre like an elite strength coach because you watched a couple jason blaha videos, listened to a rippetoe seminar, read a couple articles online about protein minimums and know who alan aragon is fuking lmao
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    you don't simply just get big by taking cell tech and lifting whatever.
    yes u do LMAO
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    Originally Posted by AFC96 View Post
    Conclusion of the thread:

    People like Lyle , Alan, and Brad should just agree with "Ronnie Coleman" because he has won Mr.Olympia's and they have not.

    Ok.
    ????????????? Is english not your first language lmao

    Nope, the conclusion of this thread, which i'll reiterate AGAIN for you is that not all knowledge comes from books and studies. A lot of it is experiential, learning what different schemes and programs work for your body, regardless of what should theoretically work.

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    you don't simply just get big by taking cell tech and lifting whatever.
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    yes u do LMAO
    nah man. this is my friend

    we've been lifting for the same amount of time. took the same celltech. yet looks like that.
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    Originally Posted by AFC96 View Post
    Conclusion of the thread:

    People like Lyle , Alan, and Brad should just agree with "Ronnie Coleman" because he has won Mr.Olympia's and they have not.

    Ok.
    Except that's not at all what OP meant. In fact, he explicitly stated the opposite.

    What he IS trying to get at (and is completely correct) is the fact that many things in training are not black and white. There is no "perfect form," nor can training be boiled down to some mathematical equation. Everyone has different proportions and anatomical features, responds differently to different stimuli, and has different training histories. Some people can pull effectively with a rounded upper back, some people can squat with more of a torso lean. Just because someone's form doesn't look exactly like what you saw in Starting Strength, that doesn't make it wrong.

    Beginners, especially those on these forums, tend to think the opposite. They think there is only ONE right way of doing something. They spend so much time stressing over what is "perfect," or "optimal" that they fail to account for some of the most important variables (which can't be learned from a book or online) such as mentality, learning what works for you INDIVIDUALLY through experiment and experience, and of course, HARD ****ING WORK.

    Experience matters in a great degree, especially when the subject in question cannot be answered objectively....such as form.
    You can't force knowledge into a dumbass any more than you can force sight into a blind man.

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    nah man. this is my friend

    we've been lifting for the same amount of time. took the same celltech. yet looks like that.
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    Originally Posted by Cablezzz View Post
    nah man. this is my friend

    we've been lifting for the same amount of time. took the same celltech. yet looks like that.
    Awh Jesus no, please don't be serious
    Wtf was he doing in the gym all that time? He either has the ****test genetics on the planet or just does **** all in the gym
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    Best way to put it is size =/=> knowledge but knowledge => size (assuming they are training).

    Nothing worse than someone claiming they know it all but cant even bench a plate (cough erik)
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    Originally Posted by Cablezzz View Post
    nah man. this is my friend

    we've been lifting for the same amount of time. took the same celltech. yet looks like that.
    i still don't believe that, something has to be wrong.

    he can't have been training a year and a half and taken celltech, he looks like he just had his beginner gains..
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    Meh, in my opinion even though everyone is going to have "different forms" and no, "one size fits all", there still should be a guideline on what should be done.

    You know what. I dont even care. Do whatever the **** you wanna do. Think whatever you want to think.



    Originally Posted by Meadey View Post
    Best way to put it is size =/=> knowledge but knowledge => size (assuming they are training).

    Nothing worse than someone claiming they know it all but cant even bench a plate (cough erik)
    Oooooo.. dis gon' be good.
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    Originally Posted by Cablezzz View Post
    you don't simply just get big by taking cell tech and lifting whatever.
    dang i love to hate on you but yeah you do man, you'll gain more muscle taking tech and sitting on your ass 3 months than lifting hard no tech 3 months lmao
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    Originally Posted by JiveTurkey1 View Post
    dang i love to hate on you but yeah you do man, you'll gain more muscle taking tech and sitting on your ass 3 months than lifting hard no tech 3 months lmao
    nah man. lmao. no you wont.
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    I saw a guy Deadlift 495 yesterday while I was at work (I work at a gym)

    Snap city.

    Sure he got the weight up, but it looked terrible, and he pretty much only used his rounded back to the weight up.

    Then I walked over to a girl I like to talk to (IFBB just got her pro card) and we both had a nice laugh about that guy.

    Learn to lift correctly before lifting anything in my opinion. Sure you might look cool! (Great 405!!! WOO!) well guess what, you got the weight up this time, you might get it up the next time, but in the long run you are destroying your back.
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    Originally Posted by Meadey View Post
    Best way to put it is size =/=> knowledge but knowledge => size (assuming they are training).

    Nothing worse than someone claiming they know it all but cant even bench a plate (cough erik)
    hahahahaha yessssss

    And yes cablez its true. Looks like u and ur friends have been getting **** tech lmfao
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