At what point in your life did it dawn on you that you were unattractive/ugly?

[d1154802]

I'm desperate to the point that I would pretty much take any girl, at least for my kiss/make out and smash goals. Not sure I want to be seen in public on a date with just anyone but standards are rapidly falling there also

pretty sure you can find a out of shape girls. should not have a problem at all. go for 2s all the way up to 4s. you might approach ugly face but nice body.

[d1154802]

lmao you're a pretty good looking guy, not even trying to make you feel good

i think bishes might be looking over you and chit because they might legitimately be intimidated breh

you do look kind of stiff/awkward, i guarantee your woes are because of your social ineptitude stemming from your own insecurities, because you're better looking than most people i've seen on the misc, srs

i usually scare girls away due to my quietness. that hoodie i always put on, makes me shady as hell. i use to remember in highschool when girls complain about my face expression. they say i look emotionless,cold and empty. honestly i wasn't a people person growing up.

[jamesbwbevis]

pretty sure you can find a out of shape girls. should not have a problem at all. go for 2s all the way up to 4s. you might approach ugly face but nice body.

its not like I havent tried. Ugly girls have lower standards but they still take the best they can get

[InstantLoser]

its not like I havent tried. Ugly girls have lower standards but they still take the best they can get

Dat hypergamy.

[d1154802]

doing this is how I ended up in this situation. I've never kissed a girl and I'm in my mid 20s. Its time to take drastic measures at least to get this out of the way. forget hot girls, my max may as well be 5/10, like my dream scenario.

lmao this is a 5 and i'm pretty sure you can do better than this.

[InstantLoser]

lmao this is a 5 and i'm pretty sure you can do better than this.

Would not be able to approach/10.

[jamesbwbevis]

lmao this is a 5 and i'm pretty sure you can do better than this.

you're telling a 24 yr old kissless virgin that he can do better than a 5? Based on my results I cant get anything, a 5 would be a miracle. I would wk that chick she is cute

[Project_BelAir]

lmao you're a pretty good looking guy, not even trying to make you feel good

i think bishes might be looking over you and chit because they might legitimately be intimidated breh

you do look kind of stiff/awkward, i guarantee your woes are because of your social ineptitude stemming from your own insecurities, because you're better looking than most people i've seen on the misc, srs

Thanks, dude.

I don't think I intimidate girls haha Girls have no problem asking me questions about class or something like that. And no, they're not just trying to initiate conversation..because they just turn their backs once I answer. And I know better looking guys than me that have girls fight each other for attention from these guys. Take Jeff Seid..he has girls coming up to me for pictures and stuff on the street.

Hmm maybe. I do think it may have been because it was my first time ever being photographed like that..so I felt uncomfortable tbh

Girls just seem incredibly disinterested by me. For example, today I ran into a girl I haven't seen in a while at a store (she works there). She was ringing me up at the register and it's obvious we both know each other so I started asking her how she's been. She was VERY uninterested and was sending me signals of, "Okay..please leave now.."

[d1154802]

doing this is how I ended up in this situation. I've never kissed a girl and I'm in my mid 20s. Its time to take drastic measures at least to get this out of the way. forget hot girls, my max may as well be 5/10, like my dream scenario.

you have a negative mind set. that is what draws you back. if you truly think positive and confident the results will reflect. start thinking positive and believe that you can get a girl. girls can sense confident and it tends to boost attraction level. i believe you can get girls at 7 range?



one of the girls my cousin talks too and this is the lowest he went. she pretty thick lmao. i believe you can get a girl like that. she a seven range with a very nice body.

[Matt8204]

you have that george saint pierre look. which is pretty good.

I'll take that. I could probably stand to gain ten pounds of muscle or so to fill out but I don't think I'm in terrible shape looks-wise at all. Again, opening up to people has always been my issue.

[d1154802]

you're telling a 24 yr old kissless virgin that he can do better than a 5? Based on my results I cant get anything, a 5 would be a miracle. I would wk that chick she is cute

can you post a face pic. i doubt you are a ugly person.

[InstantLoser]

you have a negative mind set. that is what draws you back. if you truly think positive and confident the results will reflect. start thinking positive and believe that you can get a girl. girls can sense confident and it tends to boost attraction level. i believe you can get girls at 7 range?



one of the girls my cousin talks too and this is the lowest he went. she pretty thick lmao. i believe you can get a girl like that. she a seven range with a very nice body.

He has a negative mindset because he can't get girls, not the other way around. Why do so many of you guys not get this...

That girl is hot as fuk btw.

[jamesbwbevis]

can you post a face pic. i doubt you are a ugly person.

I've done it many times, the last time I did I sent pics to some of the folks ITT. They all thought that I was decent looking 6/10 or so. In reality I'm a 4 at best in the face and then dat height really fuks up my chances.

I just think its silly to start telling myself I can get a 7 when not even a fat desperate slob has liked me before.

[d1154802]

He has a negative mindset because he can't get girls, not the other way around. Why do so many of you guys not get this...

That girl is hot as fuk btw.

i know but i'm telling him to keep positive regardless of experience. i've seen ugly dudes get rejected but end with a girl or married. you shouldn't quit just like that.

[jamesbwbevis]

He has a negative mindset because he can't get girls, not the other way around.

THIS!!! Its not like I was born thinking this way, but after all of the rejection I've faced naturally I have a negative mindset as a result.

To tell me that I could get a 7/10 sounds retarded to me, I have been rejected my entire life from girls half as hot. Some of the miscers who try to help me just cant relate at all to my situation

[jamesbwbevis]

i know but i'm telling him to keep positive regardless of experience. i've seen ugly dudes get rejected but end with a girl or married. you shouldn't quit just like that.

You've seen ugly manlet kissless virgins at age 24 who've never had one single girl like them before ? I seriously feel like the only one.

Its not easy to just "be positive' I dont have a reason to.If anything I have a reason to be way more depressed than I am

[d1154802]

I'll take that. I could probably stand to gain ten pounds of muscle or so to fill out but I don't think I'm in terrible shape looks-wise at all. Again, opening up to people has always been my issue.

you know gsp? i remember when he does the superman punch in fights.
have you had girls approach you before?

[Matt8204]

you know gsp? i remember when he does the superman punch in fights.
have you had girls approach you before?

Not a huge UFC fan but I'm familiar with him. Saw a couple of his fights. Gotta look for some more videos on him to check out that move.

Yeah, it's happened from time to time. I've also had instances where a girl was dropping some serious hints. This one always tells me how photogenic I am (has a boyfriend presently) and another is always suggesting that we hang out. Might see what she's up to. I just have to sieze the initative. I get lazy sometimes.

[pmag]

As I got older, I realised fortunately it really depends a lot on you - it's just a matter of finding things you can improve about yourself - lose/gain weight, change clothes, hair, beard, get a tan, etc etc.

Of course this takes time, as teenagers we go through a lot of stages (I don't think there's anyone who didn't feel "horrible" at some point) and we don't realize later on we'll be able to do something about it. In high school, we think it's all about genetics, but later on we have to learn it's all about learning to achieve your "genetic potential", which are completely diferent things.

It took me many many years to realize how strong your diet and lifestyle can affect the way you look and feel(not just your body, but your face, skin, etc). After some horrible mistakes I did, I learned a lesson and told to myself I would never, ever, eat wrong again and from that day I started improving a lot...

So, I guess we're all on the right lifestyle on this forum...improving health, looks, and mental welness day after day.

[YewMirinBrah]

Wtf is this thread even about anymore?

[Particles]

Alright. Attached are photos of me:

[43Steelers]

Going perma bulk made me look like fat Val Kilmer, good bye jawline. Also hair is thinning. Legit don't care about looks anymore though

same here. no fuks given if I look like chit and if I'm not attractive. I'm like 35+bf% but my face is still lean

[d1154802]

You've seen ugly manlet kissless virgins at age 24 who've never had one single girl like them before ? I seriously feel like the only one.

Its not easy to just "be positive' I dont have a reason to.If anything I have a reason to be way more depressed than I am

i've seen worse trust me. the dude been made fun of since middle school. they would call him orangutan. he had big legs and had a weird upper body. along with big hands and feet compare to his body size. also beetle juice manage to get hit on by nice girls. he made out with one of them. which is mind boggling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNaVB4fdQWU





also have you heard of roy rocky dennis the worst you can get. he manage to get a nice girl before he died. they even made a movie based on it.

[InstantLoser]

i know but i'm telling him to keep positive regardless of experience. i've seen ugly dudes get rejected but end with a girl or married. you shouldn't quit just like that.

I don't believe it's possible to remain positive regardless of experience. Honestly that doesn't even make sense, and I'll try to go through this in a logical fashion so you can see where I'm coming from.

Misc says to gain confidence, you have to build it through approaching girls, and as you occasionally succeed, supposedly that'll build up your confidence. So, if we agree that succeeding builds confidence, it makes equal sense that failure causes a reduction in confidence. You can't have it both ways, so if you're going to be outcome dependent when you succeed, you have no choice but to also be outcome dependent when you fail. True outcome independence would mean that even if you succeeded, you would gain no confidence, because regardless of the outcome, you would remain unaffected.

Similarly, as positive things happen in your life, you become more positive. You aren't making a conscious decision to be positive, you are simply becoming positive by direct reaction to good things happening to you. So, vicariously, when negative things happen, you have no choice but to become progressively more negative.

You cannot have it one way and not the other. You can't choose to just ignore all the bad **** that happens in your life and focus solely on the positive. That's delusional, nonsensical thinking and it doesn't work.

Further evidence:
As you approach women and have your failures or successes, you build up a mental log. If things went well, you'll think to yourself "Hey, I did this before so surely I can do it again". I think this is probably the essence of confidence: Knowing that you're capable of handling a situation. Great!
Now, if you fail EVERY TIME, you have no expectation of success. You've failed each time. On what would you base a positive attitude? Frankly at this point you'd have to have something wrong with you to ever expect success. You can only base your expectations on past experiences, and if all those experiences have been negative/failures, you have absolutely zero reason to believe that the next time will somehow go better.

This is the logic I base my reasoning on for not approaching women. I have failed every time, and have no reason whatsoever to believe that things will go differently in the future. You could even look at it in the way that meteorologists predict the weather, or the way that businesses predict future sales. You build a predictive model based on past data. Did it snow last December? It'll probably snow this year too. Did the last 28000 girls reject me? Gosh, the next one probably will to.

[d1154802]

Not a huge UFC fan but I'm familiar with him. Saw a couple of his fights. Gotta look for some more videos on him to check out that move.

Yeah, it's happened from time to time. I've also had instances where a girl was dropping some serious hints. This one always tells me how photogenic I am (has a boyfriend presently) and another is always suggesting that we hang out. Might see what she's up to. I just have to sieze the initative. I get lazy sometimes.

gsp is insane though. lmao he has mad power.

[snucks]

I don't believe it's possible to remain positive regardless of experience. Honestly that doesn't even make sense, and I'll try to go through this in a logical fashion so you can see where I'm coming from.

Misc says to gain confidence, you have to build it through approaching girls, and as you occasionally succeed, supposedly that'll build up your confidence. So, if we agree that succeeding builds confidence, it makes equal sense that failure causes a reduction in confidence. You can't have it both ways, so if you're going to be outcome dependent when you succeed, you have no choice but to also be outcome dependent when you fail. True outcome independence would mean that even if you succeeded, you would gain no confidence, because regardless of the outcome, you would remain unaffected.

Similarly, as positive things happen in your life, you become more positive. You aren't making a conscious decision to be positive, you are simply becoming positive by direct reaction to good things happening to you. So, vicariously, when negative things happen, you have no choice but to become progressively more negative.

You cannot have it one way and not the other. You can't choose to just ignore all the bad **** that happens in your life and focus solely on the positive. That's delusional, nonsensical thinking and it doesn't work.

Further evidence:
As you approach women and have your failures or successes, you build up a mental log. If things went well, you'll think to yourself "Hey, I did this before so surely I can do it again". I think this is probably the essence of confidence: Knowing that you're capable of handling a situation. Great!
Now, if you fail EVERY TIME, you have no expectation of success. You've failed each time. On what would you base a positive attitude? Frankly at this point you'd have to have something wrong with you to ever expect success. You can only base your expectations on past experiences, and if all those experiences have been negative/failures, you have absolutely zero reason to believe that the next time will somehow go better.

This is the logic I base my reasoning on for not approaching women. I have failed every time, and have no reason whatsoever to believe that things will go differently in the future. You could even look at it in the way that meteorologists predict the weather, or the way that businesses predict future sales. You build a predictive model based on past data. Did it snow last December? It'll probably snow this year too. Did the last 28000 girls reject me? Gosh, the next one probably will to.

Most dudes fail at approaching women. There was a thread awhile back about a dude saying approach ten women a day or some chit. Thats fuking retarded imo. That approach will only have long term success by sheer numbers and chance. This has never ever been the way I have gone about things. I talk about having game but what im talking about game I don't mean "hey bbe how u doin" type chit at all. Its about being comfortable in your own skin and knowing yourself and when to shift gears from friendly type talking to more physical stuff. Seizing the initiative etc.

A sure fire way to fuk up even the most confident person is repeating failures over n over again.

Stop going around trying to talk and get with women period. At this point the attempts yall are making are forced and unnatural.

Instead I suggest a more long term type approach.

1. Learn to make friends period. Looking at you IL specifically (oh and look into taking vitamin D supplement cuz so far it has me feeling pretty good)

2. Find true happiness in the things you do ASIDE from women.

3. Get involved in more social type things like book clubs or w/e.

4. Smile and try to be as approachable as possible.

5. Go to dive bars smile a lot talk to older and chubby girls cuz they will approach.

6. Get productive hobbies. The kind that aren't easy but have a good payoff and make you feel good.

7. Get some fuken sun. I was out with my dogs for about 3 hours today feelgoodman.jpg




Im probably leaving a bunch of chit off but I hope you get the picture.
Miscing with my phone is pooooooooop

[d1154802]

I don't believe it's possible to remain positive regardless of experience. Honestly that doesn't even make sense, and I'll try to go through this in a logical fashion so you can see where I'm coming from.

Misc says to gain confidence, you have to build it through approaching girls, and as you occasionally succeed, supposedly that'll build up your confidence. So, if we agree that succeeding builds confidence, it makes equal sense that failure causes a reduction in confidence. You can't have it both ways, so if you're going to be outcome dependent when you succeed, you have no choice but to also be outcome dependent when you fail. True outcome independence would mean that even if you succeeded, you would gain no confidence, because regardless of the outcome, you would remain unaffected.

Similarly, as positive things happen in your life, you become more positive. You aren't making a conscious decision to be positive, you are simply becoming positive by direct reaction to good things happening to you. So, vicariously, when negative things happen, you have no choice but to become progressively more negative.

You cannot have it one way and not the other. You can't choose to just ignore all the bad **** that happens in your life and focus solely on the positive. That's delusional, nonsensical thinking and it doesn't work.

Further evidence:
As you approach women and have your failures or successes, you build up a mental log. If things went well, you'll think to yourself "Hey, I did this before so surely I can do it again". I think this is probably the essence of confidence: Knowing that you're capable of handling a situation. Great!
Now, if you fail EVERY TIME, you have no expectation of success. You've failed each time. On what would you base a positive attitude? Frankly at this point you'd have to have something wrong with you to ever expect success. You can only base your expectations on past experiences, and if all those experiences have been negative/failures, you have absolutely zero reason to believe that the next time will somehow go better.

This is the logic I base my reasoning on for not approaching women. I have failed every time, and have no reason whatsoever to believe that things will go differently in the future. You could even look at it in the way that meteorologists predict the weather, or the way that businesses predict future sales. You build a predictive model based on past data. Did it snow last December? It'll probably snow this year too. Did the last 28000 girls reject me? Gosh, the next one probably will to.

well it depends on how strong one mindset is. havent you heard of this quote ?

Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference.The reason most people never achieve their dreams is because they simply give up. Life was never meant to be easy – its a constant struggle, with extreme lows and extreme highs. Remember that the times when its most important to persevere are the times that you will be most tested.

["If at first you don't succeed,
Try, try, try again." ]

honestly you have to have that mindset to succeed. thats the only way you're going to succeed. the more negativity you bring the farer you get from your goal. you will be surprised how determination can make you successful. if your weak minded you won't get your results.

[snucks]

Alright. Attached are photos of me:

You look good in that jacket bro.

[snucks]

you have a negative mind set. that is what draws you back. if you truly think positive and confident the results will reflect. start thinking positive and believe that you can get a girl. girls can sense confident and it tends to boost attraction level. i believe you can get girls at 7 range?



one of the girls my cousin talks too and this is the lowest he went. she pretty thick lmao. i believe you can get a girl like that. she a seven range with a very nice body.

If she spoke another language wouldnotpullout/10

The thick Russian girl im talking about is built like this except her waist is smaller serious.


Nyooooooooot bad.

[Luc1fer]

lol, so many guys posting here and they aren't even close to ugly. Pretty much every one is above average, but I expect nothing less from this forum with body dysmorphia abound. Project_BelAir, you are not ugly ffs.

Here's what I think is going on, and I'm speaking from my own experience. You guys are highly insecure - you amplify rejections or even signals of rejection, and dismiss attraction or don't even notice it. I did this a lot in my early 20's. I was convinced girls weren't interested in me, even when several separate groups of friends told that a certain girl was into me. etc. I also self-sabotaged a lot.