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    Just a friendly nudge in the direction of the squat rack Nice bro session today. Looking forward to see the plan. Good luck with the deads tomorrow. I'm doing the same and I'm already thinking they feel heavy.
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    Don't neglect the disco muscles Andrew! Regular bro day is very important! I liked the workout, and am interested in the new training plan you will be constructing. Kill them deads tomorrow!
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    That going backwards feeling is really tough. With your normal volume and some consistency you'll be back to where you were shortly. Well that and MOAR squats will help.

    The bench has been a thorn in your side since I can remember. Look at the positive side though, your rows are killer so it all balances out.

    I look at your SLDL and feel like such a slacker. I rarely go over 225lbs on those and have been regularly using 185 for 12-15 reps. Also, I'm at the point now if I forget my knees sleeves at home that day will be a bench day!

    Good to have you back and the pics looked cool. I haven't been skiing in years and hope I can get my girls into it as they get older.
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    Sunday 8th March 2014

    167lbs

    Squats ... home gym


    Squats
    10 x 50kg (110lbs)
    10 x 70kg (154lbs)
    10 x 90kg (198lbs)
    5 x 110kg (242lbs)
    3 x 110kg (242lbs)
    3 x 110kg (242lbs)
    3 x 110kg (242lbs)
    3 x 110kg (242lbs)
    3 x 110kg (242lbs)
    2 x 110kg (242lbs)
    Was going for 10 x 3
    was about to have a fail


    bench
    8, 7, 6, 6, 5, 5, 3 x 50kg

    50 minutes

    My squats have slipped back so the plan is to get back to 3 x per week squatting, one session per week with JP (my trainer) and two other sessions per week following a Smolov pattern. In general the sessions with JP will be pyramiding to 5 rep sets or 3 rep sets so I'll try to stick to 4 x 9 and 5 x 7 at home although I might cycle through the 7 x 5 and 10 x 3 over the course of a few weeks. Because I'll still be deadlifting I won't beat myself over the head if I miss a squat session ..... I know, I know ..... I may as well surrender my mancard at the door. Old man knees will have to be factored in as well
    Today I wasn't really sure what I was going to do ... I squatted two days ago with JP and I still had quad DOMS. I decided to work up to a weight where the form stayed good. I got 5 reps at 110kg and would have got two more, but it felt like a good weight for a 10 x 3 workout. That was a big drop from 10 x 3 x 130kg late last year but not a bad place to start but I couldn't even carry that through.

    Solution ... more squats

    Solution for benching .... more benching




    Monday 9th March 2014

    167lbs

    Bro day


    Wide grip lat pulldowns
    10 x 60kg (132lbs)
    10 x 70kg (154lbs)
    10 x 70kg (154lbs)
    10 x 70kg (154lbs)
    10 x 70kg (154lbs)
    Tempo 2:2:2

    UH grip pull-downs
    6 x 70kg (154lbs)
    6 x 70kg (154lbs)
    6 x 70kg (154lbs)
    6 x 70kg (154lbs)
    6 x 70kg (154lbs)
    Biceps, serratus and lats
    Felt weak on these


    Standing rope press-downs
    15 x 80lbs
    15 x 80lbs
    15 x 80lbs
    15 x 70lbs
    15 x 60lbs

    Pec deck flyes
    10 x 80kg (176lbs)
    8 x 80kg (176lbs)
    8 x 80kg (176lbs)
    10 x 73kg (160lbs)
    8 x 73kg (160lbs)
    Tempo 2:2:2

    Roman chair sit-ups
    BW x 15
    BW x 15
    BW x 15

    Wide grip EZ bar curls
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    Wide grip to hit the SHB
    Tempo 2:2:2


    Military presses
    15 x bar
    15 x bar
    15 x bar
    Concentrating on IR at the top

    bench ..... at home
    6, 6, 6, 5, 5, 5, 5, 2 x 50kg

    50 + 10 minutes

    I've neglected my shoulders and arms lately so I need to get a regular Bro day happening. This is the ideal session to do at my old commercial gym .... they only have one squat rack and two oly bars so it's tough to do the heavy stuff there but it's got the cables and pulleys and machines and the DBs so that I can go from station to station working on the disco muscles
    Damn I felt weak though. I'm going to keep up with the Bro work and try to add volume in between the squats at home and the sessions with JP .... I'm starting to form a plan in my mind.
    Anyway, tomorrow is a deadlift session with JP .... deads are sh!te at the moment so wish me luck




    Originally Posted by mirroroferised View Post
    Just a friendly nudge in the direction of the squat rack Nice bro session today. Looking forward to see the plan. Good luck with the deads tomorrow. I'm doing the same and I'm already thinking they feel heavy.
    Well ..... the main reason to set up the home gym was to be able to squat loads so I'd better not be a pussy now
    As for the deads ... I never tell JP what to do but I'm hoping that we work for volume ... maybe some deficit deads at 330 and I'll be happy

    Originally Posted by raynerd View Post
    Don't neglect the disco muscles Andrew! Regular bro day is very important! I liked the workout, and am interested in the new training plan you will be constructing. Kill them deads tomorrow!
    I know from bitter experience that keeping the disco muscles balanced does matter .. when I keep up with the pull-ups, pull-downs and rows my shoulders feel strong and stable .... slack off and they start to grind.
    DLs .... I could probably only manage a pull 100lbs less than the one you got so I've got a long way to go

    Originally Posted by Jtbny View Post
    That going backwards feeling is really tough. With your normal volume and some consistency you'll be back to where you were shortly. Well that and MOAR squats : D will help.

    The bench has been a thorn in your side since I can remember. Look at the positive side though, your rows are killer so it all balances out.

    I look at your SLDL and feel like such a slacker. I rarely go over 225lbs on those and have been regularly using 185 for 12-15 reps. Also, I'm at the point now if I forget my knees sleeves at home that day will be a bench day!

    Good to have you back and the pics looked cool. I haven't been skiing in years and hope I can get my girls into it as they get older.
    Thanks John ... I always like squatting and I've gradually rehabbed my way through piriformis, glute and knee issues so I feel like at least my form was good. I know that the strength will come back with volume, as long as I listen to my knees ... so Moar Squats it is
    Benching has got my goat but I figure if I keep up with the volume I'll bring up those accessory muscles that support the RC ... if my shoulders stay sweet then I'll slowly bump the weight. I know I'll never be going for any records on the benching but a realistic glamor me will be to safely bench 2pps again for reps
    The SLDLs felt good and I'm thinking that, rather than beat myself about the head on deadlifts, I'll leave the deads for the session with JP once a week but do SLDLs to build up PC strength. I've got an old pair of Tommy Kono knee sleeves so I'm going to leave them with JP ... I was thinking car boot but the heat will destroy them
    And as for skiing .... do it! My girls love it and I really enjoy the time skiing with them .. plus it's another way to get the kids interested in nature
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    Deads with JP


    Warm-up
    Good mornings .... 15 x bar
    Glute and hammie stretches

    Deadlifts .... full reset
    10 x 60kg (132lbs)
    8 x 100kg (220lbs)
    5 x 130kg (286lbs)
    4 x 150kg (330lbs)
    4 x 150kg (330lbs)
    4 x 150kg (330lbs)
    Was supposed to be sets of 5

    Superset
    Yates Rows

    6 x 90kg (198lbs)
    6 x 90kg (198lbs)
    6 x 90kg (198lbs)
    with GHD hyperextensions
    12 reps + 30 second hold
    12 reps + 30 second hold
    12 reps + 30 second hold
    Spinal erectors were toast!

    MetCon Superset
    10 x inverted ring rows
    5 x 55kg (121lbs) deadball cleans
    10 x inverted ring rows
    8 x 45kg (100lbs) deadball cleans
    10 x inverted ring rows
    10 x 35kg (77lbs) deadball cleans
    Gasping

    Stretches

    45 minutes



    Deadlifts
    Deads felt better today. Wanted 5 rep sets at 150kg but kept form tight for 4 reps. Facet joint stayed sweet so no mindfcuk

    Yates rows/GHD hypers
    Kept the rows very strict. Grip was weak and the low back was barking. GHD hyperextension holds for 30 seconds just lit my back up!

    Ring rows/deadball cleans
    Hammer grip on the ring rows > slow down and power up. These got the last working but going straight into the deadball cleans at 55kg had me gasping. 45kg x 8 was just as bad. Sumo squat the ball to the knees, then clean it to the shoulders = totally anaerobic and a great PC and core exercise. 35kg was a breeze after that. An aim would be to eventually clean the 55kg as seamlessly as the 35kg

    I was overall happy with the session .. deadlift form felt good even though I'd have liked more reps. Core felt strong and my lower back got a good working







    + some benching back at home
    8, 8, 7, 6, 5, 6 x 50kg

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    Reread 3 times and I'm still leaving convinced that you were happy with a deadlift session You need to skiing more Andrew
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    Great back session, great work on the deads and the heavy rows. You hit your back from about every angle. Good to see the facet joint feeling good, I can see how the deadlift mindfuk works now after straining mine I'm sure im going yo be pretty apprehensive for a while when it's fully healed. Those ghrs have to be pretty hard after the dead.
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    Beauty work Andrew! Great job on the deads, happy to hear they were solid and went well! Crushed those heavy Yates rows and those ball cleans sound crazy tough. Nice to see you haven't missed a beat and are killing it like an animal!
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    Originally Posted by mirroroferised View Post
    Reread 3 times and I'm still leaving convinced that you were happy with a deadlift session
    Ha ..... only because I've lowered my expectations :rolleyes

    Originally Posted by mirroroferised View Post
    You need to skiing more Andrew : D:
    I don't need much prompting .... I'm lining up some August skiing in New Zealand

    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    Great back session, great work on the deads and the heavy rows. You hit your back from about every angle. Good to see the facet joint feeling good, I can see how the deadlift mindfuk works now after straining mine I'm sure im going yo be pretty apprehensive for a while when it's fully healed. Those ghrs have to be pretty hard after the dead.
    Thanks Tim .. I can really feel my lats and serratus and my lower back .... but all in a good way Muscle pain is good, facet pain is bad ... I never, ever had a mindfcuk about my deads until that facet joint popped. You've got a lot more strength and muscle mass than me so I think you'll soon overcome it but it's hard to banish the bad thoughts from your mind when you can feel the back creaking

    Originally Posted by raynerd View Post
    Beauty work Andrew! Great job on the deads, happy to hear they were solid and went well! Crushed those heavy Yates rows and those ball cleans sound crazy tough. Nice to see you haven't missed a beat and are killing it like an animal!
    Thanks Shawn ... I'm still a long way from 180kg x 3 and 190kg as a single but I'm hoping that I can keep the form clean and rebuild back to those lifts later this year. This is the deadball cleans:



    they are fun but they require a whole body effort
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    looking good with that volume on the deads...

    next time you will get the 5....
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    Originally Posted by fittofattofit View Post
    Monday 9th March 2014

    167lbs

    Bro day


    Standing rope press-downs
    15 x 80lbs
    15 x 80lbs
    15 x 80lbs
    15 x 70lbs
    15 x 60lbs

    Wide grip EZ bar curls
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    10 x 30kg (66lbs)
    Wide grip to hit the SHB
    Tempo 2:2:2
    You gotta love bro day. Now if we could just maintain this size 24/7! I bet your arms looked hyoooge
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    Originally Posted by scott_donald View Post
    looking good with that volume on the deads...

    next time you will get the 5....
    Thanks Scott .... I'm sure the way for me with the deads is to work that volume and just slowly build it up. I'll probably sneak in some SLDLs during the week to keep building that PC strength

    Originally Posted by Payton1221 View Post
    You gotta love bro day. Now if we could just maintain this size 24/7! I bet your arms looked hyoooge
    Unfortunately the pump seems to last just half an hour .... I need to work on the disco muscles now that I'm back on the market

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    Good looking deadlift session nonetheless and bro sessions are the best!!
    Thanks Baker ... as much as I'd have loved to be 5 repping 160kg/350lbs I'll happily take that session because my facet joint stayed tight. It's a little bit grumpy today but it's been a lot worse. And the Bro session was so good I had another one today




    Wednesday 11th March 2014

    167lbs

    Shoulders


    Wide grip lat pulldowns ... FST-7
    8 x 75kg (165lbs)
    8 x 75kg (165lbs)
    8 x 75kg (165lbs)
    8 x 75kg (165lbs)
    8 x 65kg (143lbs)
    8 x 65kg (143lbs)
    8 x 65kg (143lbs)
    30 seconds between sets

    Seated cable rows
    10 x 75kg (165lbs)
    10 x 85kg (187lbs)
    8 x 95kg (209lbs)
    6 x 100kg (220lbs)
    6 x 100kg (220lbs)
    6 x 100kg (220lbs)
    6 x 100kg (220lbs)
    tempo 2:2:2

    Straight arm lat pull-downs
    12 x 120lbs
    12 x 120lbs
    12 x 120lbs
    12 x 120lbs
    12 x 120lbs

    Reverse Pec deck RDFs .... FST-7
    8 x 90lbs
    8 x 85lbs
    8 x 80lbs
    8 x 75lbs
    8 x 70lbs
    8 x 65lbs
    8 x 60lbs
    30 seconds between sets

    45 minutes

    I got in a quick session at the old gym .... I'm on call tonight so I may not get home until late. Delts got hit from all angles with pulling and rows, but no pressing .... my shoulders get too funky with pressing -- I don't think there's much cartilage left in there. I kept it light and focused on Time Under tension
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    Good news that you are starting to hit some decent weight on the deads after that little false start the other day! Sets of 4 x 150k is a pretty creditable start after a layoff I reckon. Let it build slowly!

    I'm very impressed with the volume/weight on that lat/shoulder work. Now wonder your rows are so huge.

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    Excellent. Lots of volume in the shoulder/lat mangler. Hope your getting used to the setup. Nice work getting some bench reps in after all that pulling. The facet joint is strange, mine did not hurt at all today but has hurt for weeks, including last Sunday.
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    nice few sessions man! take all the gains on those deadlifts you get and just keep ramping them up. you know you can go heavier so you will in no time! strong volume on that shoulder day as well
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    good to see your getting back to the big weights. Sure you will get the extra reps on deads next time. seeems benching at home is a daily activity that was some volume on your shoulders bet that got the lactic acid flowing.

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    Originally Posted by Flounderbout View Post
    Good news that you are starting to hit some decent weight on the deads after that little false start the other day! Sets of 4 x 150k is a pretty creditable start after a layoff I reckon. Let it build slowly!
    Slowly does it but my strength is just way down on last year .... really 20% off so that's a bit disheartening. I'm hoping that a bit of consistency will see me get back into good reps at 160 in the next few weeks

    Originally Posted by Flounderbout View Post
    I'm very impressed with the volume/weight on that lat/shoulder work. Now wonder your rows are so huge.
    Oh, and you do know that the home gym is meant to be an alternative to your usual gym - not an excuse to work out twice per day, right?!
    I figure that since I can't do OHPs I have to do lots of pull-downs and rows to provide my shoulder with some stability. I actually had my rehab session to start the day and Ash (the rehab trainer) said that my shoulder mobility was the best he's ever seen it
    And at least with the home gym I can bench whenever I want, even if it's a workout for pussies .. I'll just keep plugging away at that bench

    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    Excellent. Lots of volume in the shoulder/lat mangler. Hope your getting used to the setup. Nice work getting some bench reps in after all that pulling. The facet joint is strange, mine did not hurt at all today but has hurt for weeks, including last Sunday.
    I'm going to keep up the gym membership so that I can do all that cable and machine work for the shoulders and back .... the rear delt flyes on the pec deck are especially good for helping to balance the strains across my shoulders and I really feel that they provide strength and stability for my shoulder joints themselves
    And I tweaked the facet joint a bit yesterday doing the seated rows ... probably put too much body english into it ... a reminder to not take it for granted

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    nice few sessions man! take all the gains on those deadlifts you get and just keep ramping them up. you know you can go heavier so you will in no time! strong volume on that shoulder day as well :eek :
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    good to see your getting back to the big weights. Sure you will get the extra reps on deads next time. seeems benching at home is a daily activity that was some volume on your shoulders bet that got the lactic acid flowing.

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    Warm-up
    lateral lunges ... 10 x bar each side
    Paused squat ... 20 seconds with bar
    Hammie, glute and quad stretches

    Squats
    8 x 60kg (132lbs)
    5 x 100kg (220lbs)
    3 x 120kg (264lbs)
    F x 140kg (308lbs) WTF!
    2, F x 130kg (286lbs)
    WTF ... just felt weak
    No bounce out of the hole


    Squats .... Punishment
    2 reps EMOM
    2 x 120kg (264lbs)
    2 x 120kg (264lbs)
    2 x 120kg (264lbs)
    2 x 120kg (264lbs)
    2 x 120kg (264lbs)
    2 reps every minute on the minute

    Superset
    Box squats ... 18" box

    8 x 100kg (220lbs)
    8 x 120kg (264lbs)
    8 x 120kg (264lbs)
    Slow down; pause for 2; power up
    Last few reps were hard

    with GHD sit-ups
    12
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    12

    Superset
    Walking lunges

    16 x 60kg (132lbs)
    16 x 60kg (132lbs)
    with pistol squats
    6 x each leg
    6 x each leg
    Quads were dead

    Piriformis and glute stretches

    55 minutes




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    I had a sh!tty night's sleep, but wooow ... I just got stuck at the bottom of a 140kg squat. That hasn't happened for a single for well over a year. I'd sort of psyched myself once I got under the bar thinking that the bar felt really heavy. I dropped back to 130kg for a triple and missed the last rep of that as well ... just got stuck in the bottom again and rolled it off my back
    As punishment JP got me to do 2 x 120kg EMOM .. every minute on the minute with a timer. The first set I thought 'no way will I get another set' but then I settled down and the last few sets were the best of the day. What I realised: I was thinking so much about my knee tracking and using my adductors from the bottom of the hole that I wasn't grabbing my breath at the top of the squat so that I lost that 'piston' effect. Stupid really ... in thinking about the hips and knees I'd forgotten about keeping tight from top to bottom

    Paused box squats
    120kg/264lbs x 8 ... slow neg, pause for a 2 count, and then power up. Easy for the first few reps but quads were tiring at the end

    BB walking lunges
    60kg x 16 ... light weight but quads were failing at the end. The last 6 reps of the 2nd set were rest/pause 2 at a time. I kept visualising the face plant with a BB on my shoulders

    Pistol squats
    Could only manage 3 at a time .... quads were fcuuked

    I was not impressed with my squats, but at least I reminded myself what I should do ... hopefully just a bad week
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    It's strange how that works, I've noticed the same thing on several lifts, if the bar feels heavy when un-racking it I'm not going to get my reps. I'd just chalk it up to a bad session because you were repping that weight just a few weeks ago. I noticed when my facet joint was hurt it took all of my explosion from the hole away too, like the muscles would not fire. Good conditioning with the pistols and emom squats though. That will teach the legs to not let you down on squats or they will be punished .
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    one of those days it seems... but you now have a base for your next session...

    reason i am doing so much pause work right now... i have the strength easy above parallel but bellow i have nothing through my back and hips so keep pausing till i am good...
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    Originally Posted by fittofattofit View Post
    Slowly does it but my strength is just way down on last year .... really 20% off so that's a bit disheartening. I'm hoping that a bit of consistency will see me get back into good reps at 160 in the next few weeks
    You are not down 20% on strength. You just lose a huge amount of technique, mental readiness, etc etc. That is why it comes back reasonably fast. If you were truly 20% less strong it would take the same time it took to get there in the first place. I was exactly where you were a short time ago, and although still well short of my best, I am on the way back. Keep at it and don't get disheartened.

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    I had a sh!tty night's sleep, but wooow ... I just got stuck at the bottom of a 140kg squat. That hasn't happened for a single for well over a year. I'd sort of psyched myself once I got under the bar thinking that the bar felt really heavy. I dropped back to 130kg for a triple and missed the last rep of that as well ... just got stuck in the bottom again and rolled it off my back
    As punishment JP got me to do 2 x 120kg EMOM .. every minute on the minute with a timer. The first set I thought 'no way will I get another set' but then I settled down and the last few sets were the best of the day. What I realised: I was thinking so much about my knee tracking and using my adductors from the bottom of the hole that I wasn't grabbing my breath at the top of the squat so that I lost that 'piston' effect. Stupid really ... in thinking about the hips and knees I'd forgotten about keeping tight from top to bottom

    I was not impressed with my squats, but at least I reminded myself what I should do ... hopefully just a bad week
    In recent months I have failed at a whole range of absurdly light weights. Not long ago I failed at a 120kg squat WTF! The reason is that all my cues are not completely concreted in because I haven't been squatting enough, so I am having to think about things. It only takes one forgotten cue and everything goes to chite. Often at the moment I will unrack, and immediately know everything has gone pearshaped, just as Tim says. Sometimes it is just because it is a bad day. But more often than not I just have to rerack, gather myself, and come back for another go. If that fails sometimes I just leave and go back for another session later. So much of it is mental.

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    Originally Posted by Plateauplower View Post
    It's strange how that works, I've noticed the same thing on several lifts, if the bar feels heavy when un-racking it I'm not going to get my reps. I'd just chalk it up to a bad session because you were repping that weight just a few weeks ago. I noticed when my facet joint was hurt it took all of my explosion from the hole away too, like the muscles would not fire. Good conditioning with the pistols and emom squats though. That will teach the legs to not let you down on squats or they will be punished .
    Today was just like that .... the muscles wouldn't fire. The stupid thing is that a few weeks ago I repped 150kg and 155kg and today I could barely get 130kg ... it didn't feel right and I just wasn't tuned in. I think it was a tactical error as well to go from 120kg x 3 (which felt heavy) up to 140kg, and it would have been better to get the 130 x 3 and then go for the 140 x 3. I often find that there is a bar weight at which the walk out 'shocks' you, but then after that, subsequent smaller bumps in weight don't seem to matter and the shock goes away.
    There's always next time

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    one of those days it seems... but you now have a base for your next session...

    reason i am doing so much pause work right now... i have the strength easy above parallel but bellow i have nothing through my back and hips so keep pausing till i am good...
    I know that pausing at reps with 100kg has helped me before ... it's funny how some days the bar feels super heavy with 140kg on your shoulders and yet you know that there's plenty of people smaller than me who can squat twice as much, so a lot of how heavy a bar feels must be in the head. JP did say that I bombed down on that 140kg and didn't look like I'd controlled the descent so that I had no recoil for getting back up

    Originally Posted by Flounderbout View Post
    You are not down 20% on strength. You just lose a huge amount of technique, mental readiness, etc etc. That is why it comes back reasonably fast. If you were truly 20% less strong it would take the same time it took to get there in the first place. I was exactly where you were a short time ago, and although still well short of my best, I am on the way back. Keep at it and don't get disheartened.
    That 140kg felt so heavy, as did the 120kg on the box squats .. the last time I box squatted was with 160kg. It's weird how I've lost my cues but I've been taking a wider stance and sitting back more to protect my knees but that really has changed the whole dynamic for me

    Originally Posted by Flounderbout View Post
    In recent months I have failed at a whole range of absurdly light weights. Not long ago I failed at a 120kg squat WTF! The reason is that all my cues are not completely concreted in because I haven't been squatting enough, so I am having to think about things. It only takes one forgotten cue and everything goes to chite. Often at the moment I will unrack, and immediately know everything has gone pearshaped, just as Tim says. Sometimes it is just because it is a bad day. But more often than not I just have to rerack, gather myself, and come back for another go. If that fails sometimes I just leave and go back for another session later. So much of it is mental.

    Here you figured out what was off and next time you will have it sorted. No drama!
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    Just catching up a little here. Solid work man. I see your not happy with all of it but.......Your bro-card is platinum man.


    I have same issue when I unrack the weights - if it comes of heavy; its gonna be a bad lift. Its just a mind f@ck. For me, there could be a half dozen reasons for it. I just do the same as Tim, move what I can and move along. Always the next session.

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    Good session Andrew, FWIW, like clockwork if I take a break from lifting, I come back the first week and perform poorly....I come back the second week and perform even worse....the third week is when it comes together! Anyway, you made them legs pay dearly lol, and of course the answer always lies in sm2sm!!
    Thanks Shawn, I'm hoping that's how it will happen for me ... it's interesting how quickly you can lose some of your lift cues. My quads feel hammered so it will be interesting to see whether I've got DOMS tomorrow. And yes .... sm2sm

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    Just catching up a little here. Solid work man. I see your not happy with all of it but.......Your bro-card is platinum man.


    I have same issue when I unrack the weights - if it comes of heavy; its gonna be a bad lift. Its just a mind f@ck. For me, there could be a half dozen reasons for it. I just do the same as Tim, move what I can and move along. Always the next session.

    Keep it up man. Awesome back day in there as well. Love'n your volume these days!
    Thanks for dropping by Doc. I don't think I started with the right attitude: I went in there feeling weak and tired to start with. I plan to attack the squats this weekend to try and get some rhythm back. Hopefully if I keep up the volume all this will start feeling easer again

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    I plan on failing on a couple reps whenever I can end up kicking this damn flu. It happens man. Dust yourself off and move on.
    Thanks Dave ... I hope you get over that man-flu and get back to joining the squatting club
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    Go get it man. If anyone can go destroy the rack - its you.

    Looking forward to seeing what the weekend brings ya.
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    Originally Posted by DocJekyll View Post
    Go get it man. If anyone can go destroy the rack - its you.

    Looking forward to seeing what the weekend brings ya.
    I don't feel like that at the moment because my knees and back are achey but I've committed myself to some decent squatting on Sunday ... I'm flagging it in advance so you guys all hold me accountable





    Saturday 14th March 2015

    167lbs

    Bench/SLDLs/Rows


    Bench Press
    8, 8, 8, 7, 6, 3 x 50kg

    SLDLs
    10 x 50kg (132lbs)
    10 x 70kg (154lbs)
    10 x 90kg (198lbs)
    10 x 110kg (242lbs)
    10 x 110kg (242lbs)
    10 x 110kg (242lbs)
    10 x 110kg (242lbs)
    10 x 110kg (242lbs)

    Yates Rows
    10 x 90kg (198lbs)
    10 x 90kg (198lbs)
    10 x 90kg (198lbs)
    10 x 90kg (198lbs)
    10 x 90kg (198lbs)

    Poundstone curls
    20 x bar
    20 x bar
    20 x bar
    20 x bar
    20 x bar

    60 minutes

    I had to work for 6 hours on Saturday morning and my motivation was low when I got back home ... I fcuked around for ages avoiding doing things that I should be doing before finally settling into the gym. I decided to leave squats for tomorrow and work on the PC with SLDLs
    SLDLs ... I thought about upping the weight, but the plan is to keep the core and lower back tight so that the facet joint stays still, and to build up PC strength and back stability. The 110kg felt lighter than last week and I added reps .... the facet joint was clicking in and out every rep with the first two sets but after that I really concentrated on breathing and keeping the abs tight and that seemed to keep the facet joint locked in. I'll probably bump the weight next week but maintaining form and keeping the back sweet is the key
    Yates Rows ... 90kg was much better this week. Kept the form tight
    Bench ... I'm still only pushing Barbie weights with 50kg but the reps are getting easier. Slowly does it, so I won't bump until I get a good 5 sets of 10 reps ... maybe the middle of the year I'll graduate to Ken weights

    Squats tomorrow
    Enjoy the weekend guys
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    Nice session, since straining my lower back my abs are getting a lot more work, when I get my core very tight on every rep of squats and deads it keeps it happy, also made my abs so sore my ribs hurt at first . I don't see how you can do those heavy rows with the facet joint issue, those kill me, maybe I'll get a vid and see if I'm doing them wrong when I mustar up the courage to try them again. Enjoy the weekend looking forward to brutal squat session tomorrow.

    One thing that I notice on squats that helps me beat the bar feeling heavy is a somewhat violent unrack. Seriously, if I walk under and get set and slowly unrack the weight it feels heavy as fuk. If I swoop into the bar pull down hard on it and mash it into my traps before unpacking it and then unrack step back, get into position and squat it makes a big difference. It might just be me, idk, but that initial mashing myself into the bar while pulling down on it seems to make it feel lighter when I unrack it.
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    seems a perfect session for how you were feeling mentally today... like the PC volume...
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