Thin privilege is:

[LaughingStorm]

Ronda couldn't even get the arm bar on Holly Holm, but we're supposed to believe that she could beat a male fighter? A professional male fighter?
Please.
How many fists did she walk into in that fight?
ANY man, would knock her the **** out if he connected. She might take down average Joe couchpotato if she got lucky enough, but a professional fighter?
Get real.

I understand that many of you consider gender to be an insurmountable factor when it comes to fighting. In my experience, size is a far greater factor than one's sex.

Rousey has a far greater chance of beating a fighter like Aldo than Aldo does of being able to even put up a fight against Jon Jones.

Well Kai certainly prefers a narrow range of citrus.

The things bodybuilders will do for their "juice".

[mp83]

I understand that many of you consider gender to be an insurmountable factor when it comes to fighting. In my experience, size is a far greater factor than one's sex.

Rousey has a far greater chance of beating a fighter like Aldo than Aldo does of being able to even put up a fight against Jon Jones.

I'd say they're about even chance. Gender makes a huge difference (strength and muscle mass difference is huge) and not to mention that Ronda, outside of armbars and judo, is not even that skilled at grappling or striking. Not to mention, using your earlier analogy that Aldo has to make Ronda's weight, then Jones would have to make 145, which would never happen.

[Jagwired16]

you must spread some reputation around before giving it to cristoforidream

[LaughingStorm]

I'd say they're about even chance. Gender makes a huge difference (strength and muscle mass difference is huge) and not to mention that Ronda, outside of armbars and judo, is not even that skilled at grappling or striking. Not to mention, using your earlier analogy that Aldo has to make Ronda's weight, then Jones would have to make 145, which would never happen.

I think strength and muscle mass have much more to do with size than gender.

Judo is grappling, son.

And no, he wouldn't. I was specifically talking about the size difference between Aldo and Jones.

[mp83]

I think strength and muscle mass have much more to do with size than gender.

Judo is grappling, son.

And no, he wouldn't. I was specifically talking about the size difference between Aldo and Jones.

Right, but when Aldo is also an expert in grappling (including arm bars), it really wouldn't matter. Other than judo, Aldo is superior at every aspect of MMA than Ronda is, including grappling (other than judo, like I said). Ronda couldn't even get an armbar on a former boxer. There's no way in hell she is getting an armbar on Aldo. I get you hate smaller guys for some reason, but you're just being dumb here.

[Cristoforidream]

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[LaughingStorm]

Right, but when Aldo is also an expert in grappling (including arm bars), it really wouldn't matter. Other than judo, Aldo is superior at every aspect of MMA than Ronda is, including grappling (other than judo, like I said). Ronda couldn't even get an armbar on a former boxer. There's no way in hell she is getting an armbar on Aldo. I get you hate smaller guys for some reason, but you're just being dumb here.

I'm saying that Aldo is not nearly the grappler Ronda is. Being highly competitive in BJJ is nowhere near the same as being elite in Judo which is a far more internationally popular combat sport than BJJ with much greater worldwide competition. Don't let the Gracie hype fool you.

I'll be the first to admit that Rousey didn't play that last fight very smart. But I wouldn't judge Aldo by his poorest performance. I am guessing that he also learned from the L he took.

And I think this is a misunderstanding based on sport. I'm sure it is different in striking sports, but size/weight play a far more significant role in grappling than gender. A woman who is my size would present a far greater challenge for me to pin or sub than a dude your size. It is just easier to toss/move around a person as light as you are. And managing much of anything when you have an opponent crushing you with my weight and leverages is daunting to say the least.

I'll admit that I've never been in an MMA fight with a truly elite striker, but I get the impression you have never rolled with even a decent grappler who had a weight advantage (of any gender).

[Luc1fer]

I think strength and muscle mass have much more to do with size than gender.

Muscle fibers are significantly different in men vs. women: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683. Of course there are outliers, and Ronda is likely (obviously) one that deviates.

[Ancient Olympia]

Thin privilege is wearing abercrombie

Is Abercrombie still a thing? Rep me back with your answer

[Cristoforidream]

This just proves that each fat person is like a snowflake. No two fat people distribute their fat the same way.

[LaughingStorm]

Muscle fibers are significantly different in men vs. women: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683.

Muscle fibers are most certainly different between men and women. But much larger athletes will just have that much more muscle.

I'm not saying that gender plays no role. I'm just saying that size plays a much larger role. And that the role of gender can be far more easily overcome through skill than the role of size.

Of course there are outliers, and Ronda is likely (obviously) one that deviates.

I have to agree with this.

[mp83]

I'm saying that Aldo is not nearly the grappler Ronda is. Being highly competitive in BJJ is nowhere near the same as being elite in Judo which is a far more internationally popular combat sport than BJJ with much greater worldwide competition. Don't let the Gracie hype fool you.

I'll be the first to admit that Rousey didn't play that last fight very smart. But I wouldn't judge Aldo by his poorest performance. I am guessing that he also learned from the L he took.

And I think this is a misunderstanding based on sport. I'm sure it is different in striking sports, but size/weight play a far more significant role in grappling than gender. A woman who is my size would present a far greater challenge for me to pin or sub than a dude your size. It is just easier to toss/move around a person as light as you are. And managing much of anything when you have an opponent crushing you with my weight and leverages is daunting to say the least.

I'll admit that I've never been in an MMA fight with a truly elite striker, but I get the impression you have never rolled with even a decent grappler who had a weight advantage (of any gender).

I am bigger than most women (170 lb), but I have rolled with a BJJ black belt and a bunch of blue/purples. I got destroyed, but I also am not really a grappler so it was expected. Judo at the women's level isn't any more competitive than BJJ at the top level. It's been international for a few decades now, and is more used in MMA than judo is so it's at a higher level internationally. There's not much money in judo compared to MMA.

Would Aldo beat Jones? Definitely not. But I would bet that Jones could beat nearly any UFC heavyweight, except maybe Werdum, JDS or Cain. And those are big maybes. Guy is a freak of nature and I think he could beat even the bigger HWs like Hunt or Rothwell.

[LaughingStorm]

I am bigger than most women (170 lb), but I have rolled with a BJJ black belt and a bunch of blue/purples. I got destroyed, but I also am not really a grappler so it was expected. Judo at the women's level isn't any more competitive than BJJ at the top level. It's been international for a few decades now, and is more used in MMA than judo is so it's at a higher level internationally. There's not much money in judo compared to MMA.

I actually thought you were bigger than 170. I meant that I would rather fight a dude around 200 lbs than a woman of my size. Guess it seemed a bit obvious that I'd prefer to fight a 170 pound male than a 230 pound woman, my bad.

Judo at the international women's level is still way more competitive than BJJ. The amount of players and national teams make it so.

And if we're going for grappling arts with the greatest benefit in MMA, wrestling is by far the winner.

You are correct that there isn't money in Judo. But MMA doesn't reach nearly as many countries as Judo/wrestling does.

Would Aldo beat Jones? Definitely not. But I would bet that Jones could beat nearly any UFC heavyweight, except maybe Werdum, JDS or Cain. And those are big maybes. Guy is a freak of nature and I think he could beat even the bigger HWs like Hunt or Rothwell.

I didn't say that Aldo wouldn't beat him. I said that Aldo wouldn't even put up a fight.

I was just making the case based on the size difference between Aldo and Jones. Replace Jones in that comment with the name of any HW that you mentioned. There isn't one that wouldn't blow through Aldo like he wasn't there.

This is no rip on Aldo. He's a damn good fighter for a little guy. Size just plays too big a role in fighting sports.

[mp83]

I actually thought you were bigger than 170. I meant that I would rather fight a dude around 200 lbs than a woman of my size. Guess it seemed a bit obvious that I'd prefer to fight a 170 pound male than a 230 pound woman, my bad.

Judo at the international women's level is still way more competitive than BJJ. The amount of players and national teams make it so.

And if we're going for grappling arts with the greatest benefit in MMA, wrestling is by far the winner.

You are correct that there isn't money in Judo. But MMA doesn't reach nearly as many countries as Judo/wrestling does.



I didn't say that Aldo wouldn't beat him. I said that Aldo wouldn't even put up a fight.

I was just making the case based on the size difference between Aldo and Jones. Replace Jones in that comment with the name of any HW that you mentioned. There isn't one that wouldn't blow through Aldo like he wasn't there.

This is no rip on Aldo. He's a damn good fighter for a little guy. Size just plays too big a role in fighting sports.

But you don't think size matters when it comes to Ronda... You said Ronda could beat most males at LW or FW, too, including Pettis or Cerrone. They walk around at 185 lb or so (probably more). That would mean they weigh 40+ more lb than Ronda. So you don't think GSP can beat a smaller HW, despite weighing 30 lb less than them, but Ronda can beat a male that is 40 lb heavier because she was a judo medalist, even though that male is also a world-level BJJ talent and hasn't lost in a decade? You have to be trolling. There's no other way you can be that dumb and contradictory. I know you hate us shorter guys. Did one of us pee in your cheerios or something?

And do you think Jones could beat a guy like Rothwell or Hunt, despite being outweighed by around 60-70 lb?

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But you don't think size matters when it comes to Ronda... You said Ronda could beat most males at LW or FW, too, including Pettis or Cerrone. They walk around at 185 lb or so (probably more). That would mean they weigh 40+ more lb than Ronda. So you don't think GSP can beat a smaller HW, despite weighing 30 lb less than them, but Ronda can beat a male that is 40 lb heavier because she was a judo medalist, even though that male is also a world-level BJJ talent and hasn't lost in a decade? You have to be trolling. There's no other way you can be that dumb and contradictory. I know you hate us shorter guys. Did one of us pee in your cheerios or something?

Rousey's walking around weight is over 150 lbs, she cuts to 135.

I just don't think that Aldo is that good or that the small weight difference that he has over Rousey is enough to make him an insurmountable opponent. No way in hell would Rousey be able to stand a chance against a heavyweight fighter. Size does matter.

And Aldo hasn't been beat in over a decade in his weight class. I don't exactly consider them the most intimidating warriors on the planet. Hardly makes him an Emelianenko, besting any fighter alive for almost a decade.

And saying I hate manlets because I recognize they are at a vast disadvantage in a fight because of their diminutive size is the same as saying that you must hate women because you think that they are weakier than your little ass.
Do you hate women?

I have a Manmore table. You'd need a ladder to be tall enough to piss in my Cheerios.

And do you think Jones could beat a guy like Rothwell or Hunt, despite being outweighed by around 60-70 lb?

Rothwell is a subpar grappler, I think he is like a purple belt in BJJ. So I think Jones could pull off a win.

Hunt is a boxer/kickboxer with no grappling/ground game. Yeah, Jones would have a good shot against him.

I don't see Jones pulling it off against Velasquez, tho. Dude has size and knows what he's doing on the ground.

[Beliedat]

LS brah what happened to the geezer threads??

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Rousey's walking around weight is over 150 lbs, she cuts to 135.

I just don't think that Aldo is that good or that the small weight difference that he has over Rousey is enough to make him an insurmountable opponent. No way in hell would Rousey be able to stand a chance against a heavyweight fighter. Size does matter.

And Aldo hasn't been beat in over a decade in his weight class. I don't exactly consider them the most intimidating warriors on the planet. Hardly makes him an Emelianenko, besting any fighter alive for almost a decade.

Rousey supposedly walks around at 150. Aldo walks around at 170. Earlier in this thread, you said Rousey could beat male LW fighters, despite the fact she is outweighed by 35-40 lb or so and is a woman. But then you also said GSP would lose to smaller HWs that outweigh him by 40 lb. So you are contradicting yourself.

Also, Rothwell is a purple belt in BJJ. His grappling isn't great but it's capable. He beat Mitrione with a nice choke. He also outweighs Jones by 60 lb (Jones walks around 225-230, Rothwell 285-290), which is quite a bit in grappling (as you said on this page).

LS brah what happened to the geezer threads??

He still appears to be rep trading, so he found a new home at least

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LS brah what happened to the geezer threads??

Wondering where you were. Good to see you, bruv.

Four or five Geezers were looking to get the thing shut down because of some beef they had. So they started a massive efight.

Even though it was four of them against me, their mod buddies gave me a month in banned camp and locked the thread. I was the only one to take a ban, so I must have been fighting myself

Just got back from said ban. Thought about getting together a thread of the Geezers who weren't *******s. Just haven't gotten to it yet.

[Beliedat]

He still appears to be rep trading, so he found a new home at least

I didn't come here for tears.

Wondering where you were. Good to see you, bruv.

Four or five Geezers were looking to get the thing shut down because of some beef they had. So they started a massive efight.

Even though it was four of them against me, their mod buddies gave me a month in banned camp and locked the thread. I was the only one to take a ban, so I must have been fighting myself

Just got back from said ban. Thought about getting together a thread of the Geezers who weren't *******s. Just haven't gotten to it yet.

What a load of horsesht. Well shoot me a PM when we find a new home. See what happens when I step away for a spell? Be good bruv.

[mp83]

Wondering where you were. Good to see you, bruv.

Four or five Geezers were looking to get the thing shut down because of some beef they had. So they started a massive efight.

Even though it was four of them against me, their mod buddies gave me a month in banned camp and locked the thread. I was the only one to take a ban, so I must have been fighting myself

Just got back from said ban. Thought about getting together a thread of the Geezers who weren't *******s. Just haven't gotten to it yet.

I actually read that thread and despite our differences here, I didn't think you deserved a ban for it or anything like that.

[LaughingStorm]

Rousey supposedly walks around at 150. Aldo walks around at 170. Earlier in this thread, you said Rousey could beat male LW fighters, despite the fact she is outweighed by 35-40 lb or so and is a woman.

I did say that. I think that she could beat many LW fighters as so few made it to the highest levels of a truly competitive and effective fighting sport (like wrestling).

But then you also said GSP would lose to smaller HWs that outweigh him by 40 lb. So you are contradicting yourself.

Yep. Depending on the HW.

Let's not get it twisted. If his opponent is a total tomato can, GSP would wreck him.

Also, Rothwell is a purple belt in BJJ. His grappling isn't great but it's capable. He beat Mitrione with a nice choke. He also outweighs Jones by 60 lb (Jones walks around 225-230, Rothwell 285-290), which is quite a bit in grappling (as you said on this page).

You hold belts in BJJ in higher regard than I do. He managed to choke out a Karateka, beating a striker on the ground doesn't make one an impressive grappler.

Jones has incredibly solid wrestling skills. I think he could beat Rothwell. Never said it was a sure thing as that weight advantage is so much to overcome. Learn the difference between "can" and "will".

He still appears to be rep trading, so he found a new home at least

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What a load of horsesht. Well shoot me a PM when we find a new home. See what happens when I step away for a spell? Be good bruv.

Take it easy on the sloots, bruv.

You know what they say: "Be good or be good at it."

I actually read that thread and despite our differences here, I didn't think you deserved a ban for it or anything like that.

I actually enjoy our disagreements here. I like arguing **** like MMA when the opposing side brings more to the table than "LOL, woman no ever beat man" like many of the posters ITT.

I may think you're wrong, but you at least seem to pay real attention to the sport and have a decent (though flawed) knowledge of it.

Sorry for any negs that come your way because of what I just said. Here, I'll fix it:

Go fukk yourself mp83, you scrawny manlet *******

There you go, you should be solid now.

[broboma2012]

I think strength and muscle mass have much more to do with size than gender

I get you think this thread is mostly stupid but you have fully plunged off the deep end. Just look at powerlifting and oly lifting records by weight class if you think gender is not a huuuuuge factor in strength

[trufflepigg]

soooo that guy is back ruining this thread again eh? cool welp I'll check back in a month

[iAndrew1994]

I assumed he'd be cutting to her weight class actually. Size very much matters and 20 lbs would give him a hell of an advantage. That said, I still don't think it is outside the realm of possibility that she could take him.

And who cares how her BJJ is? Her Judo/grappling is world class.

Your ideas on how grappling can turn around a fight makes me think you are trolling or have never grappled or fought a skilled grappler.

outside the realm of possibility... cmon plzz

[Cristoforidream]

[JIA]

[LaughingStorm]

I get you think this thread is mostly stupid but you have fully plunged off the deep end. Just look at powerlifting and oly lifting records by weight class if you think gender is not a huuuuuge factor in strength

I'm afraid we're talking about fighting sports right now, little one. Fighting is quite a bit different than picking up a bar.

Why don't you go back to the children's table until you have something worth contributing?

soooo that guy is back ruining this thread again eh? cool welp I'll check back in a month

outside the realm of possibility... cmon plzz

Thank you for your well thought out and eloquent contribution.

[Cristoforidream]