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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    The metaphorical details are a point of debate. But it seems clear to me from that passage that you have a pretty good idea where you're going to end up, and that you can see things on the other side.Where are you between the time you fall asleep and begin dreaming? Another minor topic of debate, but really not that critical in the grand scheme of salvation.
    It's interesting that you reference sleep as Lazarus was dead for days; to the point where when Jesus asked that the tomb be opened up, they protested saying that he would surely smell by this time.

    Yet Jesus told his disciples that they he was going to wake Lazarus. He disciples didn't understand and thought that Lazarus would get better, but then Jesus told them plainly that Lazarus had died.

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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    Pretty cool!
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    Pretty cool!
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    Originally Posted by jackm7 View Post
    Don't believe in god and never will, but if we pretend he does exist


    What happens to babies when they die?
    I believe that babies automatically go to heaven.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    It's interesting that you reference sleep as Lazarus was dead for days; to the point where when Jesus asked that the tomb be opened up, they protested saying that he would surely smell by this time.

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    Personally, I think of the body as our tie to the physical world. Sleep allows us to "temporarilly" leave that plane. An interesteing point of debate for the so called non-believers. When you're asleep, where are you?
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    Personally, I think of the body as our tie to the physical world. Sleep allows us to "temporarilly" leave that plane. An interesteing point of debate for the so called non-believers. When you're asleep, where are you?
    When you are asleep you are still there. Just experiencing things inside of your own head instead of by exploring the physical world.

    Are you familiar with lucid dreaming? The concept that you can make yourself aware of the fact that you're dreaming and interact or even control your dreams. It's a pretty cool thing and I've used it from time to time (it takes a lot of training during the day to master the night). You can do things like conquer fears, super human things like fly and be invincible, etc - when you know it's a dream state, anything is possible. It's an amazing experience.

    Also interesting is that people dream every night, but they immediately forget almost all of their dreams. Which begs the question - if you cannot remember having done something - did it ever really happen at all?
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    When you are asleep you are still there. Just experiencing things inside of your own head instead of by exploring the physical world.

    Are you familiar with lucid dreaming? The concept that you can make yourself aware of the fact that you're dreaming and interact or even control your dreams. It's a pretty cool thing and I've used it from time to time (it takes a lot of training during the day to master the night). You can do things like conquer fears, super human things like fly and be invincible, etc - when you know it's a dream state, anything is possible. It's an amazing experience.

    Also interesting is that people dream every night, but they immediately forget almost all of their dreams. Which begs the question - if you cannot remember having done something - did it ever really happen at all?
    You missed the forest for the trees in that one. Relax the reasoning and embrace the metaphysical.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    You missed the forest for the trees in that one. Relax the reasoning and embrace the metaphysical.
    I'm not following what you're getting at.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    I'm not following what you're getting at.
    I know.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    Personally, I think of the body as our tie to the physical world. Sleep allows us to "temporarilly" leave that plane. An interesteing point of debate for the so called non-believers. When you're asleep, where are you?
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    If sleep temporarily allows you to leave the physical, what are dreams?
    The manifestation of the non-physical world:The dimension of thought.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    The manifestation of the non-physical world:The dimension of thought.
    Is it possible to prove that the entire universe wasn't created last Thursday and everything we think happened before then was a simulation?

    Is it possible to prove that we aren't in a simulation currently?
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    The manifestation of the non-physical world:The dimension of thought.
    Well, I don't know. Are you referring to astral projection?
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    Is it possible to prove that the entire universe wasn't created last Thursday and everything we think happened before then was a simulation?

    Is it possible to prove that we aren't in a simulation currently?
    I can't prove anything. Nor is there any biblical reference. This is purley and simply my own personal interpretastion of existance.
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    Well, I don't know. Are you referring to astral projection?
    That state which is beyond the physical. That place where thought resides.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    I can't prove anything. Nor is there any biblical reference. This is purley and simply my own personal interpretastion of existance. That state which is beyond the physical. That place where thought resides.
    It's quite possible that the galaxy and even the universe is full of intelligent life. The angel later known as Satan (the bible doesn't name him directly, just titles or nicknames) was evidently the regional ruler of the domain of Earth and rebelled. The Bible is pretty much exclusively Earth focused. It's entirely plausible that once humankind returns to God's family after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ that Earth humanity will be restored to God's celestial family and communication (and maybe even travel to) other realms will be possible. Revelation speaks of new scrolls that will be opened, and my personal belief is that those scrolls will relate to God's other creations (outside of Earth and angels (higher dimensional creatures)).
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    I can't prove anything. Nor is there any biblical reference. This is purley and simply my own personal interpretastion of existance. That state which is beyond the physical. That place where thought resides.
    Thoughts reside in our own minds. But yes, God can read our thoughts. I believe that while our soul is in our body, it is bound by the physical and while our soul is out of the body it is bound by the spiritual.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    It's quite possible that the galaxy and even the universe is full of intelligent life. The angel later known as Satan (the bible doesn't name him directly, just titles or nicknames) was evidently the regional ruler of the domain of Earth and rebelled. The Bible is pretty much exclusively Earth focused. It's entirely plausible that once humankind returns to God's family after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ that Earth humanity will be restored to God's celestial family and communication (and maybe even travel to) other realms will be possible. Revelation speaks of new scrolls that will be opened, and my personal belief is that those scrolls will relate to God's other creations (outside of Earth and angels (higher dimensional creatures)).
    That is a theory, not really proven. Scofield believes that way I think. It's in the whole "Gap Theory".
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    Originally Posted by Paddington View Post
    That is a theory, not really proven. Scofield believes that way I think. It's in the whole "Gap Theory".
    Do you have any thoughts on why God turned some animals into carnivores after the flood?
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    It's quite possible that the galaxy and even the universe is full of intelligent life. The angel later known as Satan (the bible doesn't name him directly, just titles or nicknames) was evidently the regional ruler of the domain of Earth and rebelled. The Bible is pretty much exclusively Earth focused. It's entirely plausible that once humankind returns to God's family after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ that Earth humanity will be restored to God's celestial family and communication (and maybe even travel to) other realms will be possible. Revelation speaks of new scrolls that will be opened, and my personal belief is that those scrolls will relate to God's other creations (outside of Earth and angels (higher dimensional creatures)).
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    Thoughts reside in our own minds. But yes, God can read our thoughts. I believe that while our soul is in our body, it is bound by the physical and while our soul is out of the body it is bound by the spiritual.
    That's sort of what I'm saying. Although I would never debate spirtually on that point.
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    Personally, I think of the body as our tie to the physical world. Sleep allows us to "temporarilly" leave that plane. An interesteing point of debate for the so called non-believers. When you're asleep, where are you?
    Lmao you cant be serious.

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    Premillennialist?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premillennialism ?

    some of that I believe in, some I do not.
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    Actaully, it has ALL the answers. Its just that some of us, for whatever reasons, refuse to see/acknowledge them.
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    Lmao you cant be serious.

    Oooh, now I get it. That time I saw a giant caterpillar with a beak walking down a spiral staircase when I took 55 robitussen was actually an angel in heaven. Or, could it have been God??
    Was there a question?
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    Strong, strong cope OP.

    There is no heaven. You are racing toward a red light (i.e. you can't wait to get through life and die to get to heaven. The joke's on you though, since death is the end of existence).

    What was it like before you were born, op? You didn't exist. Same thing happens to you for all of eternity after you die. To believe otherwise is existential reality COPE.
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    Strong, strong cope OP.

    There is no heaven. You are racing toward a red light (i.e. you can't wait to get through life and die to get to heaven. The joke's on you though, since death is the end of existence).

    What was it like before you were born, op? You didn't exist. Same thing happens to you for all of eternity after you die. To believe otherwise is existential reality COPE.
    It what you say is true then there's no meaning to life: You exist, then you cease to exist.
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    It what you say is true then there's no meaning to life: You exist, then you cease to exist.
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