Getting it on with Hunttarded: Training Journal.

[NeverEnough89]

17/1/2015.

Squats: 2x295; 405@10s; 3x330; 3x320.
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Nice log man, I'm subbing. So are you making that big of a jump from 295 to 405 consistently for a reason? Going from 70% to 100% just seems odd to me.

[Hunttarded]

Nice log man, I'm subbing. So are you making that big of a jump from 295 to 405 consistently for a reason? Going from 70% to 100% just seems odd to me.

Appreciate the sub bro, I'll follow yours along as well.

Nah the 405 is a walkout, 10 seconds. I guess it looked like 405 at 10 RPE though haha. Maybe one day lol.

[NeverEnough89]

Appreciate the sub bro, I'll follow yours along as well.

Nah the 405 is a walkout, 10 seconds. I guess it looked like 405 at 10 RPE though haha. Maybe one day lol.

Ohhh, that makes so much more sense haha. My log will be interesting after this coming meet, as I'll have Arian11 from these boards write up my programming instead of me doing it on my own, will be incorporating RPE system as well, with some more conjugate work I am guessing. Excited to say the least.

[Hunttarded]

Ohhh, that makes so much more sense haha. My log will be interesting after this coming meet, as I'll have Arian11 from these boards write up my programming instead of me doing it on my own, will be incorporating RPE system as well, with some more conjugate work I am guessing. Excited to say the least.

Good luck at the meet!

I've seen some DUPs he's written that he posted on the main PL board. He seems like a real smart guy, strong as hell too, even though alot of the programs he writes go way beyond my understanding. I've never really ran anything like that, just your cookie cutter 5x5s and stuff. Going to be interesting to follow that along.

[NeverEnough89]

Good luck at the meet!

I've seen some DUPs he's written that he posted on the main PL board. He seems like a real smart guy, strong as hell too, even though alot of the programs he writes go way beyond my understanding. I've never really ran anything like that, just your cookie cutter 5x5s and stuff. Going to be interesting to follow that along.

He is definitely smart, looks into everything and seems to study the ins and outs. A lot of programs follow the methodology of DUP; high rep day(hypertrophy), easy power day(form and recovery, light weights), and go balls out day (strength day). I do all three in one day every other day. I think he will have me doing it differently which I will be grateful for lol. Also making the switch to Sumo.

[Hunttarded]

He is definitely smart, looks into everything and seems to study the ins and outs. A lot of programs follow the methodology of DUP; high rep day(hypertrophy), easy power day(form and recovery, light weights), and go balls out day (strength day). I do all three in one day every other day. I think he will have me doing it differently which I will be grateful for lol. Also making the switch to Sumo.

When you put it that way, I guess TM follows that same protocol but on a weekly basis.

Change is always nice. Was the reasoning behind the switch to sumo because of your proportions?

[NeverEnough89]

When you put it that way, I guess TM follows that same protocol but on a weekly basis.

Change is always nice. Was the reasoning behind the switch to sumo because of your proportions?

Exactly, here is a template I made before Arian made the call to make some programs for people.

http://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Xf...ew?usp=sharing

just plug in your maxes at the bottom of the excel and it'll do the numbers for you.

I am proportionate for deads and squats in general, long torse/arms normal legs, and big back for bench, bad shoulders is my only issue. Sumo is just extremely less taxing, and it is right behind my competition deadlift, never tested 1rm but I can pull 365x3 easy after a heavy session of conventional and squatting. my narrow stance and quad dominant exercises paid off lol.

[Hunttarded]

Exactly, here is a template I made before Arian made the call to make some programs for people.

http://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Xf...ew?usp=sharing

just plug in your maxes at the bottom of the excel and it'll do the numbers for you.

I am proportionate for deads and squats in general, long torse/arms normal legs, and big back for bench, bad shoulders is my only issue. Sumo is just extremely less taxing, and it is right behind my competition deadlift, never tested 1rm but I can pull 365x3 easy after a heavy session of conventional and squatting. my narrow stance and quad dominant exercises paid off lol.

I'm looking at it now. Where'd you learn how to program this sort of thing? Must require a lot of knowledge, mirin.

You got good proportions, I'm sure you can just work around the shoulder issue. I got real long arms according to an Elite FTS article I read (27" and torso is 27.5"), same length as my torso, and very long legs (60% of my height). Agreed sumo is less taxing, but it's nowhere near my conventional so that could be why too. Feels so awkward for me though. Hell, even conventional does sometimes.

[NeverEnough89]

I'm looking at it now. Where'd you learn how to program this sort of thing? Must require a lot of knowledge, mirin.

You got good proportions, I'm sure you can just work around the shoulder issue. I got real long arms according to an Elite FTS article I read (27" and torso is 27.5"), same length as my torso, and very long legs (60% of my height). Agreed sumo is less taxing, but it's nowhere near my conventional so that could be why too. Feels so awkward for me though. Hell, even conventional does sometimes.

Shoulder issue is pretty much gone now since I started my set up properly, I used to just retract and call it good, now I retract and push myself into position, so shoulders are down and back. Better leg drive and shoulders are pinned into place.

On the programming, not really. I ran this template for 5 weeks and then jumped into the peaking. I just looked at percentages tables and estimate where a good 80%, or 70% rep scheme lies with in, and set it up for that. I only failed a couple lifts in the 6 week one I did, and in this 5 week I did I failed once, both could have been avoided by setup and possibly taking an extra day off instead of pushing it too hard. I read Dr Zourdos stuff, watched a ton of PowerliftingToWin stuff, and now reading stuff from Mike T and his RPE stuff. I like the learning aspect of it all, as much as the lifting aspect.

pretty sure I gained another 20 on squat, nailed down my form as well, and 15 on bench, and deadlift wasn't really focused but wanted to maintain it and hope my squat carried over to the deadlift in any way possible.

[Hunttarded]

That's good news about the shoulder. Feels about the lift off though, I workout at home so it's difficult to keep everything tight. Never heard of Dr. Zourdos, I'll look into him. Izzy's got great content and I've heard alot of good things about Tuscherer.

Those are real solid gains for 5 weeks. I think you would've improved on the DL just because of the squatting, that's how Madcow's works pretty much and a lot of people react well to that, so I wouldn't worry.

[NeverEnough89]

That's good news about the shoulder. Feels about the lift off though, I workout at home so it's difficult to keep everything tight. Never heard of Dr. Zourdos, I'll look into him. Izzy's got great content and I've heard alot of good things about Tuscherer.

Those are real solid gains for 5 weeks. I think you would've improved on the DL just because of the squatting, that's how Madcow's works pretty much and a lot of people react well to that, so I wouldn't worry.

He ran the test theories on DUP and Arian was one of the students used in the tests at FSU. He knows his stuff and does training seminars and such with Layne Norton and the De Novo crew, they're a little DUP squad a little.

I might have improved on the DL, last mock meet I did I got 405 pretty smoothly, but was crazy gassed and spent. This time around I did it with only a little tired and sore, and it went up well for 2 singles. As long as I can get it for my 2nd attempt I will be happy lol.

[Hunttarded]

He ran the test theories on DUP and Arian was one of the students used in the tests at FSU. He knows his stuff and does training seminars and such with Layne Norton and the De Novo crew, they're a little DUP squad a little.

I might have improved on the DL, last mock meet I did I got 405 pretty smoothly, but was crazy gassed and spent. This time around I did it with only a little tired and sore, and it went up well for 2 singles. As long as I can get it for my 2nd attempt I will be happy lol.

Would've been cool to work with those guys for sure.

But yea man for sure. If it's going up easier then you made progress 100%, plus you pulled it for an additional rep. What are you going to pull for your opener?

By the way, think I'm gonna copy you and start pulling sumo maybe lol.

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6/2/2015.

W7D4 LI. 180C + 16E

Squat: 2x12x45; 8x135; 5x185; 4x225; 3x275; 1x315; 3, 2x340.
Deadlift: 2x5x135; 5x225; 3x315; 1x365; 3x390; 5x315 Sumo.
Front Squat: 3x8x160.
Rows: 3x10x155.
Chins: 8, 8, 8, 6, 4. 120s timed between sets.

Started off well, missed the second 340 triple but I'm not surprised really. I was surprised missing the 390 for 5 though, but I'm just attributing the lack of PRs this week to the LV fail. I was so slow off the floor today. I'm thinking last week's 300x5x5 squat carried over to this week's LV I guess, hence failing 305x5x5. I think next week for LV I'll do 285x5x5 instead of 295 and keep LI as is and see how that works out. Most people on Rippetoe's forum worked best with 15-20% offset between LV and LI (for 5s) so I'll give it a go.

No matter what cues I try I always get some rounding pulling conventional, unless I go wide. I may as well pull sumo then even though it feels awkward, but it's going to take a while to work back up. Only form critique I got so far with my sumo is I need to teabag the bar more, I think I could move my hips closer and that'd be better.

[NeverEnough89]

370 or 385 depending on warm ups.
Sumo is less taxing, and I am just as strong with it, I feel. I got a strong glutes and hips so I might as well use em.
Will still train Conventional as I feel it has great carry over, at least do deficits.
I have a little rounding in my lower back as well, feel its leverages and me not setting up proper, I'd have to go stiff legged deadlift to get a perfect lumbar. More reason for sumo

[Hunttarded]

370 or 385 depending on warm ups.
Sumo is less taxing, and I am just as strong with it, I feel. I got a strong glutes and hips so I might as well use em.
Will still train Conventional as I feel it has great carry over, at least do deficits.
I have a little rounding in my lower back as well, feel its leverages and me not setting up proper, I'd have to go stiff legged deadlift to get a perfect lumbar. More reason for sumo

For sure man, take advantage of your strengths.

I agree it's definitely less taxing, but the mechanics behind it take getting used to when you're used to conventional. I squat wide so I guess sumo makes sense. I feel you about the rounding, I've tried doing snatch grips to see which stance would prevent rounding, and it's outside my arms. What sort of accessory pulls you going to do? Just deficits?

[NeverEnough89]

For sure man, take advantage of your strengths.

I agree it's definitely less taxing, but the mechanics behind it take getting used to when you're used to conventional. I squat wide so I guess sumo makes sense. I feel you about the rounding, I've tried doing snatch grips to see which stance would prevent rounding, and it's outside my arms. What sort of accessory pulls you going to do? Just deficits?

I feel its the same way with conventional, rounded back no rounded, hips high and initiating strong and using back, or using more legs and less back. So many ways to go about it lol.

Here is quick 315 of my sumo, figuring it out is the trick but when it gets dialed in, it flies up, like my 3rd rep in the video. I'm almost positive it's stronger than my conventional, lol.
http://instagram.com/p/xvW8Odijmu/?modal=true

[Hunttarded]

I feel its the same way with conventional, rounded back no rounded, hips high and initiating strong and using back, or using more legs and less back. So many ways to go about it lol.

Here is quick 315 of my sumo, figuring it out is the trick but when it gets dialed in, it flies up, like my 3rd rep in the video. I'm almost positive it's stronger than my conventional, lol.
http://instagram.com/p/xvW8Odijmu/?modal=true

Man I go through all these cues and it's like the same thing all the time lol. Sometimes I think that you really can't teach these things through videos...like no universal stance width and stuff.

And Jesus, you could tell the difference between the third and the others. Looked effortless. Nice pull bro.

[NeverEnough89]

Man I go through all these cues and it's like the same thing all the time lol. Sometimes I think that you really can't teach these things through videos...like no universal stance width and stuff.

And Jesus, you could tell the difference between the third and the others. Looked effortless. Nice pull bro.

Ya leverages are different on everyone. If I had the extra cash and a coach near by I would definitely take up an opportunity to have some one look over my lifts and correct any thing they saw improper. And ya I've pulled 365x3x3 easy, and pulled 385 and it felt about the same as conventional, but not taxing. I'll be happier with sumo.

[Hunttarded]

9/2/2015. 157.3lbs yesterday (dropped water from drinking).

W8D1. 200C + 8E

Bench: 2x15x45; 8x95; 5x135; 3x165; 1x185; 205x5, 5, 4, 2; 190x5, 5.
OHP: 12x45; 5x75; 3x8x110.
2' P. Bench: 3x8x135.
Dips: 12, 10, 9.
Curls, supersetted with stretching and preparing a butternut squash.

Really happy with today. I didn't hit my reps but I got a lot of volume in. I was especially surprised how fast the 190 sets flew up. Form was great today, and that means a lot because I have a lot of trouble staying tight and using leg drive on my bench, it may be a little too high but I'm in the market for a new one anyways. At 181 I was grinding 210 as a 5RM so I'm pretty happy where I'm at, especially only having been on this routine 2 months and weighing 20lbs less.

Still waiting on the fractional plates, should be here by next week for sure.

Did pause bench with my OB86B, felt pretty good. Wanting to use this bar for my working sets once I get used to it.

[NeverEnough89]

Where'd you get the fractional plates from? Thinking of getting some myself for the future.

[Hunttarded]

I bought AmStaff just to save on shipping. Slow as tits though.

Since you're in the US and I think this dude is too, you'll get a better deal with these http://startingstrength.com/resource...ad.php?t=46139.

[NeverEnough89]

I bought AmStaff just to save on shipping. Slow as tits though.

Since you're in the US and I think this dude is too, you'll get a better deal with these http://startingstrength.com/resource...ad.php?t=46139.

Meh. I'll just get em off Amazon if the time comes that I need them. Iron Bull has some for like 30-40$. Free shipping and it'll take 2 days.

[Hunttarded]

10/2/2015.

W8D2 LV. 200C + 8E

Squats: 2x15x45; 8x135; 5x185;5x225; 3x255; 5x5x285.
2' Front Squats: 3x8x165.
T-bars: 3x12x160.
Chins: 8, 6, 8.
Face pulls: 18, 15, 20, 20.

Pretty good today. Working sets got progressively easier. Was so stiff, and not the good kind.

Did some stretching afterwards. Probably going to squat every morning with like 135 or so just to keep form down, that helped when I used to do it and I don't think it impeded recovery any.

Need to finalize this routine. Right now it's more of a push/squat + pull rather than a U/L.

[Hunttarded]

12/2/2015.

W8D3 UI. No stims, because I did this at 3:00AM.

Bench: 2x15x45; 8x95; 5x135; 3x185; 5x1x230.
Press: 12x45; 5x75; 1x115; 5x130; 2x5x115.
Dips: 15, 14, 12xBW
Curls: 3x12x75
Lat Raises with DOH Curls (45): 20, 8; 20, 8; 20, 8.

So I couldn't fall asleep after about 4 hours. Then I needed to take a dump (and that's an opportunity for a great session, trust) so I made lemons out of lemonade and went into the basement and did some benching.

Clean 230 singles besides some flaring in the later reps. Did back offs for OHP because I left my knap sack (poverty dip belt) in the car and I didn't want to go out so I just did dips for BW. Then curls and a little lat raise/curl superset sort of thing.

Very happy with today. Thinking of eating about 4,000 calories today (about 1000 more than usual) just to help with recovery a bit. Will be pushing LI to Saturday just to get some more sleep.

[Hunttarded]

14/2/2015.
Weight: 160.3lbs

W8D4 LI. 24E + 280C

Squats: 12x45; 8x135; 5x185; 5x225; 3x275; 1x315; 405@10s; 3x350; 5x315.
Deadlift: 8x135; 5x225; 3x315; 1x365; 5x365; 5x315.
Front Squats: 3x8x165.
Rows: 10, 10, 8x160.
Chins: 8, 9, 7, 6, 7.
Face Pulls: 3x20

Felt a lot better today than when I do LI on Friday. Extra day of rest works wonders. 350 triple is an alltime PR, and instead of doing an additional set I figured I'd just do a 10% back off, which went really well. The 350 triple was 2rp1, but I got no problems with that because my conditioning is ****. All pulls today were sumo. Way less fatiguing, and like NeverEnough said once you dial your form in the weight flies. The 365 single was crap, but the 365 for 5 was just as easy as the 225. I'd like to get some lower back work in, so maybe some SLDL or something on LV. Wish I had a GHR.

Front squats and all that other stuff was alright. Row form was piss poor for that last set and I realized that thumbless grip is way harder so I guess that means my back is a weak link. I'll lower the weight next week and just get more volume in. Timed 2 minute rest between chins.

Happy with today, I think I'll keep LI on Saturday.

[NeverEnough89]

Solid squats bud. I watched about 10 different seminar type things on sumo deadlifts on YouTube helped tons, but getting in the gym and playing with a weight that is about 65-70% of your max and putting it together was different cause of leverages. THat is where a camera comes in handy lol. Glad I'm not alone with the jump to sumo lol.

[Hunttarded]

Solid squats bud. I watched about 10 different seminar type things on sumo deadlifts on YouTube helped tons, but getting in the gym and playing with a weight that is about 65-70% of your max and putting it together was different cause of leverages. THat is where a camera comes in handy lol. Glad I'm not alone with the jump to sumo lol.

Thanks man. Yea I've been watching some sumo pullers talk about the different cues they use and stuff, little differences between them but generally all the same. Recording yourself is important for sure. I didn't know my conventional had some rounding until I did, was setting myself up for trouble.

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16/2/2015.
Yesterday's Weight: 159.4

W9D1 UV. 270C + 16E

Bench: 2x15x45; 10x95; 5x135; 5x165; 3x185; 1x205; 1x225. Working: 4, 3x205; 5, 5x195, 5, 4x190.
OHP: 12x45; 5x75; 1x100; 8, 8, 7 (8?)x115.
Dips: 15, 12, 10.
DOH Curls 5x12

Not a good session, actually some regression on the bench. Threw way too many variables in to say what went wrong:
- tried something called an over-warmup that I read about on 70sbig (225x1).
- possible fatigue from Saturday, thinking the rows.
- put pause bench back in UV last week and too much to recover from (that's why I took it out in the 1st place).
- weight just seems to be hovering around 158-160.

What do you guys think?

Next week I'll do 5x5x195 which shouldn't be a problem and work my way back up. Not really too annoyed. OHP was good, happy with a +5 on an 8-rep set. I think I got 8 on the third but I'm going to play it safe and just say 7.

Tomorrow will be better.

[NeverEnough89]

Never been a fan of OHP for Bench. I get more out of bench variations and such. OHP is dope for a solid pump tho. I was getting way gassed with bench before OHP when I would do it, would do working sets like 3x10 @185 on bench and try 105 for 5x5 and it would never go even tho my tested max was 150. OHP is an intense movement takes a lot out of me personally.

[Hunttarded]

Never been a fan of OHP for Bench. I get more out of bench variations and such. OHP is dope for a solid pump tho. I was getting way gassed with bench before OHP when I would do it, would do working sets like 3x10 @185 on bench and try 105 for 5x5 and it would never go even tho my tested max was 150. OHP is an intense movement takes a lot out of me personally.

It's a stubborn motherf*cker too. I'm the opposite, I can't really say OHP assists my bench well but I get nothing out of CGBP except elbow problems. Underloading movements like pause bench and stuff I've never given a fair trial though, like I've never dropped OHP and just did pause.

[NeverEnough89]

It's a stubborn motherf*cker too. I'm the opposite, I can't really say OHP assists my bench well but I get nothing out of CGBP except elbow problems. Underloading movements like pause bench and stuff I've never given a fair trial though, like I've never dropped OHP and just did pause.

Ya I already bench close grip, floor presses were being done, but my volume was too high doing all three lifts I was too gassed to try to do other accessories. Specificity is going to be cut back a little so I assume the new program will have nice bench variations for me. Ya the options; close grip, floor press, wide grip, pause, spoto, board press, chains, so many options available lol.

[Hunttarded]

Ya I already bench close grip, floor presses were being done, but my volume was too high doing all three lifts I was too gassed to try to do other accessories. Specificity is going to be cut back a little so I assume the new program will have nice bench variations for me. Ya the options; close grip, floor press, wide grip, pause, spoto, board press, chains, so many options available lol.

It's amazing how tiring barbell movements are...they just add up real quick too.

Definitely looking forward to see what you got coming up.