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    Originally Posted by Lakersbake View Post
    I guess I wont make a new thread so Im here for some LOLs.

    LOL @ The US bombing ISIS while Israel bombs Assad. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy who's enemy is my enemy.

    ISIS must be eliminated, but Assad must also be eliminated. Maybe at the end of all this we can have Jeb Bush be the leader of the new Syria.
    Its either Assad, ISIS, Al Qaeda(Nusra)/Islamic Front taking over Syria.

    Its impossible for anyone pro-USA to takeover Syria.
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    Originally Posted by Lakersbake View Post
    I guess I wont make a new thread so Im here for some LOLs.

    LOL @ The US bombing ISIS while Israel bombs Assad. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy who's enemy is my enemy.

    ISIS must be eliminated, but Assad must also be eliminated. Maybe at the end of all this we can have Jeb Bush be the leader of the new Syria.
    No kidding... if the US really wanted to eliminate ISIS and all the other extremist rebels in Syria, and then also exterminate the people backing Assad's regime... there wouldn't be very many people left alive in the country.

    When the rebels you support are so horrible that the entire world is calling for their extermination, and the gov't you oppose is backed by a large chunk of the population, that should be your first clue that maybe this civil war isn't something we should get involved in.
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    Neither ISIS nor Assad are acceptable.

    Neither will survive.

    Thanks and as always, have nice day.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    Neither ISIS nor Assad are acceptable.

    Neither will survive.

    Thanks and as always, have nice day.
    Nobody survives in the end, but the chances are some amalgam of those two groups will have control for the next decade. Easily.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    Neither ISIS nor Assad are acceptable.

    Neither will survive.

    Thanks and as always, have nice day.
    The only other option is Islamic Front+Al Qaeda

    Please go to sleep if you think Syria has the slightest chance of secular democracy.
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    Originally Posted by AlKhas View Post
    The only other option is Islamic Front+Al Qaeda

    Please go to sleep if you think Syria has the slightest chance of secular democracy.
    LukeLissen doesn't want a secular democracy in Syria. He wants what the Saudis and the Gulf kingdoms want - another Sunni religious state in the Middle East.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    Neither ISIS nor Assad are acceptable.

    Neither will survive.

    Thanks and as always, have nice day.
    Luke you were already left behind by your beloved government.
    Nobody there believes in an Assad free Syria anymore.
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    Originally Posted by Boxman View Post
    LukeLissen doesn't want a secular democracy in Syria. He wants what the Saudis and the Gulf kingdoms want - another Sunni religious state in the Middle East.
    Cut out the personal attacks, discuss all you want but LukeLissen is an excellent poster and there is no need to attack him.

    I agree with you in that an Assad-free Syria will lead to a theocracy, but Luke has never endorses a Sunni state in Syria.
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    from a recent ISIS video talking about the withdrawal from Kobani

    First speaker From 1:30

    Today, and more recently we have slowly begun withdrawing from "Ain al-Islam" due to the airstrikes and loss of our brothers, losing brothers isn't a loss, that's a victory..it was done for preservation "insha allah". As you can see the destruction but we're "baqiah" (remain) send this to Obama Inshallah

    Second speaker from 2:00

    We are now in front of "Ain Al-Islam"..Kobani. The reason we withdrew isn't secret and we're not hiding this fact...by Allah's grace we overran the villages, by Allah's grace roughly 360 villages was liberated by us, we destroyed them and they fled like rats by Allah's grace, but the reason we withdrew was because we did not find fighters to attack...

    We controlled 70% of "Ain Al-Islam" but the Airstrikes left nothing, it turned everything into rubble, every time the jets came it destroyed everything and turned the ground into fire, so we were forced to retreat and the rats would advance. Wallahi they weren't always able to advance from their cowardness and fear, we would sometimes force them back, we were steadfast and we will continue to be, but Allah wanted to test his slaves, by Allah's will we will strike back.

    This method of striking and retreating has been done since the days of the Prophet Mohammed and his companions , By Allah's will we will destroy them.

    Wallahi the Jets did not leave us day or night, they bombed us day and night, they bombed everything, even our vehicles, they did not leave a building standing, but with Allah's grace we will strike them back.
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    from a recent ISIS video talking about the withdrawal from Kobani
    Curious to why ISIS would openly admit the airstrikes are working
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    Originally Posted by AlKhas View Post
    Curious to why ISIS would openly admit the airstrikes are working
    well it's either that or admit they were defeated by the YPG and Peshmerga
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    Really hope Kurdistan gets its own country after this mess. A shiite, sunni and kurd Iraq just doesn't work.
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    :MAD: The Jordanian pilot was burned alive by ISIS. He was in a small metal cage outside, had been doused with fuel, and then they lit a line of oil or gas and burned him alive.


    Amman vowed to execute all AQI/ISIS prisoners if pilot was killed. Will they do it? Should they do it?
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    :MAD: The Jordanian pilot was burned alive by ISIS. He was in a small metal cage outside, had been doused with fuel, and then they lit a line of oil or gas and burned him alive.


    Amman vowed to execute all AQI/ISIS prisoners if pilot was killed. Will they do it? Should they do it?
    The only way that this could have been prevented was if the "coalition of the willing" never attacked ISIS in the first place!!! As soon as we stop fighting these guys the better
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    Originally Posted by maorimuskel View Post
    The only way that this could have been prevented was if the "coalition of the willing" never attacked ISIS in the first place!!! As soon as we stop fighting these guys the better
    nah we just need to team up with Assad and waste them all.
    They are already losing ground
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_6606156.html

    jordan to execute prisoner ISIS was trying to release "within hours" as retaliation...
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    DEADLY REPRISALS
    Deliberate killings and other abuses by Syria's armed forces
    http://www.amnesty.org.uk/sites/defa...y_reprials.pdf



    This was just up until July 2012, well before ISIS ever entered the picture. The genocide and intentional targeting of civilian populations and general barbarity by Assad have gotten exponentially worse since and not against ISIS but against the people of Syria.

    Anyone who thinks that Assad will ever be leader of a whole Syria again, or that the US would 'team up with' him either does not have a clue what's been going on in Syria or is living in a land of serious delusions. There is zero chance of that happening.
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    Originally Posted by LukeLissen View Post
    DEADLY REPRISALS
    Deliberate killings and other abuses by Syria's armed forces
    http://www.amnesty.org.uk/sites/defa...y_reprials.pdf



    This was just up until July 2012, well before ISIS ever entered the picture. The genocide and intentional targeting of civilian populations and general barbarity by Assad have gotten exponentially worse since and not against ISIS but against the people of Syria.

    Anyone who thinks that Assad will ever be leader of a whole Syria again, or that the US would 'team up with' him either does not have a clue what's been going on in Syria or is living in a land of serious delusions. There is zero chance of that happening.
    thats not saying alot considering neither ISIS, nor FSA, nor SAA has any chance of taking the entire country
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    thats not saying alot considering neither ISIS, nor FSA, nor SAA has any chance of taking the entire country
    and this is where you and so many others are confused. The FSA is not a political group fighting for total control of Syria. It is only a fighting group whose goal is to bring down Assad(and now also remove ISIS from Syria), not to form its own political control over all of Syria.

    Assad and many of his supporters still live under the delusion that Assad will someday rule over Syria again. It is not nor ever has been the goal of the FSA to be a political body that rules over Syria, so you are comparing apples and oranges like so many others do.

    The FSA is allied with Christians, Druze, Kurds, and some Shia alawites even, under the Supreme Military Council of Syria and fighting against BOTH Assad's forces AND ISIS. This is a FIGHTING coalition though, and does not seek POLITICAL control - rather its goal is to defeat Assad in all ways possible in the hopes that a coalition government can and will be formed in Syria.

    Even if the US put 100% of its efforts behind Assad(totally hypothetical though as it would not happen) there is still 0% chance of him regaining political control over Syria and being respected by the people of Syria as such. The mass of the population of Syria that is deathly, angrily, mightily opposed to him and that will never ever accept him as anything but a murderous tyrant is far too great.

    The fact that Assad has been dropping so many bombs in Damascus itself lately should be a clue.

    Neither Assad nor ISIS can achieve their goals in Syria. Those fighting against them not only can, they probably will.


    These are the realistic possibilities:

    Assad's chance of rule over a unified Syria - 0%
    ISIS' chances of rule over a unified Syria - 0%
    A new, legitimate coalition government eventually being formed and governing a whole Syria - 60%
    Syria split up - 40%
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    and this is where you and so many others are confused. The FSA is not a political group fighting for total control of Syria. It is only a fighting group whose goal is to bring down Assad(and now also remove ISIS from Syria), not to form its own political control over all of Syria.

    Assad and many of his supporters still live under the delusion that Assad will someday rule over Syria again. It is not nor ever has been the goal of the FSA to be a political body that rules over Syria, so you are comparing apples and oranges like so many others do.

    The FSA is allied with Christians, Druze, Kurds, and some Shia alawites even, under the Supreme Military Council of Syria and fighting against BOTH Assad's forces AND ISIS. This is a FIGHTING coalition though, and does not seek POLITICAL control - rather its goal is to defeat Assad in all ways possible in the hopes that a coalition government can and will be formed in Syria.

    Even if the US put 100% of its efforts behind Assad(totally hypothetical though as it would not happen) there is still 0% chance of him regaining political control over Syria and being respected by the people of Syria as such. The mass of the population of Syria that is deathly, angrily, mightily opposed to him and that will never ever accept him as anything but a murderous tyrant is far too great.

    The fact that Assad has been dropping so many bombs in Damascus itself lately should be a clue.

    Neither Assad nor ISIS can achieve their goals in Syria. Those fighting against them not only can, they probably will.


    These are the realistic possibilities:

    Assad's chance of rule over a unified Syria - 0%
    ISIS' chances of rule over a unified Syria - 0%
    A new, legitimate coalition government eventually being formed and governing a whole Syria - 60%
    Syria split up - 40%
    But FSA won't takeover Syria. Thats a fact. And stop pretending like it'll be some utopia under them. Accept this. The only 3 possible outcomes for Syria are ISIS, Assad or Islamic Front/Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda

    FSA has around 30,000 fighters now in Syria, meaning they're not even trusted or likeable anymore since the ones who actually cared about the country joined IF. ISIS has around 15k-20k in Syria. Unpopular

    Assad and the Islamists(IF, JN, and MB) are the most popular groups in Syria with around 200,000 fighters each

    They. Do. Not. Want. Democracy.
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    These were some of the early Syrian Revolution protests

    @LukeLissen does that look like something YOU want for Syria?











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    But FSA won't takeover Syria.
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    Learn to read.
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    Learn to read.
    you learn to think, hes absolutely right.
    Like I said before, neither ISIS, nor FSA nor Assad have enough force to take the entire country.
    FSA can feel free to govern themselves in whatever regions they wish, or give political power to whomever they want but as long as the SAA remains in control of territories, Assad will remain in control of those territories.

    If the goal of the SAA is to take back the entire country
    If the goal of ISIS is to take all of Syria
    If the goal of FSA is to remove Assad from power

    all 3 of these factions will never complete their goals.
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    Originally Posted by spartan5364 View Post
    you learn to think, hes absolutely right.
    Like i said before, neither isis, nor fsa nor assad have enough force to take the entire country.
    Fsa can feel free to govern themselves in whatever regions they wish, or give political power to whomever they want but as long as the saa remains in control of territories, assad will remain in control of those territories.

    If the goal of the saa is to take back the entire country
    if the goal of isis is to take all of syria
    if the goal of fsa is to remove assad from power

    all 3 of these factions will never complete their goals.
    So he is "absolutely right" .... when his post falsely insinuated that I said that 'FSA will takeover Syria' which is so completely not what I said that it probably was not even worthy of a reply. I do not live under any illusions that the FSA will takeover Syria nor ever have .... but in be4 some other troll comes in here saying I think that the FSA is going to takeover Syria (and again the FSA is not even a political group to begin with)


    Your first two 'IF's' are in fact correct, however your third one is already false. Assad already is removed from power from much of Syria.... and just like I said will never regain it. The future of Syria will either be a Syria split up into smaller parts or a new government formed of a whole Syria. No other options exist outside of those two, although the fighting as it is now may go on for a while longer before one of those two happen.



    he also said

    "The only 3 possible outcomes for Syria are ISIS, Assad or Islamic Front/Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda"

    meaning that Assad has the ability to regain control over Syria OR ISIS has the ability to gain control over a whole Syria ... Which you yourself just posted was not possible, and of course neither are true now that ISIS is being firmly pressed by outside forces. Basically what he posted is the false Assad-Iran-Russia propaganda of 'Its either Assad or da terrorists!' that is so ludicrous that it only deserves scorn and not much else.
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    just now; Its raining rockets on Damascus from Ghouta.


    Students in Damascus take shelter while missiles fall on the city




    video: http://m.facebook.com/story.php?stor...L9iBsCPpO&_rdr


    video of opposition preparing for the attack: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndrPC...ature=youtu.be











    BTW, I do not condone this - I condemn it. I am just reporting on it.

    Assad has been firing missiles, rockets, and bombs into heavily populated areas for years, however that does not make it OK for anyone else to do the same. This should be condemned just the same.






    This attack is done with homemade rockets which in general are poor to very poor shrapnel producers and therefore not very effective at much else except for terrorizing. So far 8 wounded and somewhere between 50 and 100 rockets fired. Its mainly because the detonator, metal casing, and the explosive are not ideal, mostly the metal casing which in these homemade rockets tends to split into a few large pieces instead of the many small pieces of a factory Grad rocket. Also the factory Grads are a lot more accurate.

    There have now been seen in videos over the past few weeks a large number of actual factory Grad rockets and launchers being used by opposition forces, mostly in the north. If these get to Damascus they will do carnage. Factory BM-21 Grad rockets are extremely effective at producing optimal sprays of shrapnel on impact. Hopefully those groups who have these do not use them on Damascus.





    For example, recent videos of real, factory Grad rocket attacks:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qF1reR2p_g




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mfju8MGQeI




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lImWwybT7V0




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBO42LdZIqg




    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU_FvsgMRoY

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    So he is "absolutely right" .... when his post falsely insinuated that I said that 'FSA will takeover Syria' which is so completely not what I said that it probably was not even worthy of a reply. I do not live under any illusions that the FSA will takeover Syria nor ever have .... but in be4 some other troll comes in here saying I think that the FSA is going to takeover Syria (and again the FSA is not even a political group to begin with)


    Your first two 'IF's' are in fact correct, however your third one is already false. Assad already is removed from power from much of Syria.... and just like I said will never regain it. The future of Syria will either be a Syria split up into smaller parts or a new government formed of a whole Syria. No other options exist outside of those two, although the fighting as it is now may go on for a while longer before one of those two happen.



    he also said

    "The only 3 possible outcomes for Syria are ISIS, Assad or Islamic Front/Muslim Brotherhood/Al Qaeda"

    meaning that Assad has the ability to regain control over Syria OR ISIS has the ability to gain control over a whole Syria ... Which you yourself just posted was not possible, and of course neither are true now that ISIS is being firmly pressed by outside forces. Basically what he posted is the false Assad-Iran-Russia propaganda of 'Its either Assad or da terrorists!' that is so ludicrous that it only deserves scorn and not much else.
    You're just dancing around the fact that moderates have no chance of taking over in a post-Assad Syria.

    None.

    They don't have the #'s or the determination, and most Syrian Sunnis prefer to throw in their lot with the likes of Islamic Front, Al-Nusra, Al-Queda, Islamic Brotherhood, etc. FSA is a joke (has been almost since the beginning).

    What you advocate (bomb ISIS until they change their name to something else, arm FSA, bomb Assad) is nothing but a perscription for endless war and ethnic cleansing in Syria. Which something I suspect you're perfectly ok with. You'd prefer a Sunni muslim victory in Syria, but you and your ilk will settle for endless war similar to 1990s Afghanistan. Either way, Sunni and wealthy Gulf Arab interests are met.
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    Jordan's Special Forces are some of the best in the Middle East
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    Are they as good as the Iraqi ones?
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